In OT Palpatine's character wasn't the focus, but he got killed at the right time, in the end as Vader's redemption and the Empire's fall. RotJ is the weakest of the OT but Luke/Vader part was done right.
In ST Snoke was killed in the middle of the trilogy before everything could be explained about him and FO, and both Kylo Ren and Hux could not fill the Antagonist role well. So it brought big trouble to the 3rd movie's story. Rian Johnson did it mainly to make a "avert the trope" surprise instead of thinking about the trilogy.
TFA was like SR to SW, yes. But the latter 2 movies didn't even grasp OT's formula well.
^@ slowpoke So wait.. Thats the difference between the OT and ST? That the killing of the villains master happened in the 2nd chapter instead of the 3rd?
And even then, they brought Palpatine back in the 3rd chapter to be keep that role there lol
The whole trilogy was a complete repeat of the OT. Started in the same place as the OT (miraculously given it was supposed to be a sequel to ROTJ), and ended the same as the OT.
Kylos arc was the same as Vaders and Reys was the same as Lukes. The Resistance was the Rebellion and the FO was the Empire. They even look exactly the same ffs.
They havent moved the plot forward one bit. Not one bit.
Of course, the antagonist needs to be chopped at the right moment for the right purpose.
I didn't deny that it copied a lot from OT, but it didn't even grasp well. A lot of shit including Rian Johnson's "avert the tropes" and too much political right garbage really hurts the franchise.
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Also, ST didn't really try to expand Palpatine's character further more at all when there obviously is potential, PT did amazing on him.
I don't get the Rey/Kylo Ren connection at all, they have no blood relationship, nearly zero in common other than using a lightsaber, Kylo Ren's main conflict has to do with his parents and Luke, Rey has to do with Palpatine. So it's a complete miss.
Vader and Luke has a strong relationship, even Palpatine and Anakin has a good relationship building for evil purpose.
I tell you this, every scene Palpatine had in TROS he owned the screen. He's much more compelling than Snoke was. If he seemed like just a copy of Palpatine in the previous two films, now we know that's what he literally was.
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I think the problem with the PT characters vs the ST characters is that the PT, on top of having more of them, also had the opportunity to flesh a lot more of them out in ways the ST never did.
I'm not saying that giving Finn and Rey an animated series would have definitely made them better characters, but by the same token, would I still care about, say, Shaak Ti, if she hadn't been in the CW shows? Likely not.
PT also has a very rich overall setting and worldbuilding, it truly expanded the SW universe a lot. Just the moves themselves couldn't show it well enough.
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At least with the PT, Lucas knew what he was doing with his movies. Abrams and Johnson mashed everything in the ST like an ugly potato in an anthology of conflicting visions when it should've had only one, making so much of what was happening confusing and by the third movie (Rise of Skywalker) make no sense at all.
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