I guess Gladiator can do anything he sets his mind to huh? That's a statement. The guy can do anything now right? Tear a blackhole apart with his bare hands, even though he's never did it on panel. The length you Superman fans go to to try to make him shine. He doesn't need help from idiotic fans.
The things superman fans are allowed to do here is disgusting to say the least. if you vote against Superman you get bashed by many. Some place this is to try and relax and debate sensible posters.smh
It's the only feat that's to some degree described in a quantifiable manner. "The heat of ten billion suns," is a bit ambiguous because the Sun's temperature ranges from 5,780 Kelvin at its surface up to 15,700,000 Kelvin in its core, for reference that's 9,940 to 28,300,000 Fahrenheit.
If we interpret the heat of ten billion suns as being commutative, i.e. if we simply add together the temperatures of ten billion suns, we end up with 5.78×10¹³ K to 2.38×10¹⁷ K which may seem impressive, but it's a far-cry from for instance the Planck Heat 1.42×10³² K that the Marquis of Death endured.
And this is a generous estimation, because what it means is that these suns would have to be super-positioned (exist in the same space) because a quasar that's simply ten billion times the mass of the Sun is going to have the same effective temperature of the sun, with the exception of the core which peaks at 4×10¹² K.
Surviving these temperatures would be an impressive feat for regular Superman. But when you talk about cosmic level beings, then no naturally occurring force should be able to hurt them.
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First off, the trolling/bashing in this thread needs to stop. Enough is enough.
I mean, the attack didn't slow Thought-Robot down or cause it any lasting damage whatsoever, so I'm not sure what this is suppose to prove..? You act as though making Thought-Robot exclaim "Arrrrhh" is some sort of quantifiable feat, when it clearly isn't. I might make the same sound effect when I step on a Lego, because that hurts like a b*tch... Doesn't mean it actually harmed me to any noteworthy degree, however.
I'm also not sure why we'd focus on that, and not...you know...Thought-Robot matching, and ultimately defeating, a metafictional, trans-multiversal entity(created by the Overvoid itself), who had been feeding on 5D energy/imagination/story for untold eons..?
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Considering that almost everything in DC come from the story of Superman,Cosmic Armor Superman aka embodiment of the story of SUperman is the unstoppable force in DC omniverse.
If something hurts then it's likely causing damage, if not being just a few steps removed from causing damage.
Primarily because it's something that's quantifiable, unlike the metafictional parallells of the events that took place in the Monitor Sphere.
I'm definitely open to stronger interpretations of Monitor-Armor Superman, but his gallery of feats is lackluster to say the least. And I need something more than "Morrison intended for this to be the strongest character ever."
lots of characters are used as plot devices, that doesn't inherently make them more powerful than another cosmic being. Neither does "controlling the story". That's just another way of expressing reality warping.
Thought Robot has a measily 2 issue's of publication history. He fought 1 character with an ambiguous power level and virtually no concrete feats.
You can throw all the calcs you want at it, but the expression "Arrrrhh" still isn't an accurate means of quantifying damage... Especially when said attack caused no visible injuries whatsoever, and barely gave Thought-Robot any pause at all: (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
The amount of energy in that one attack is somewhat quantifiable, sure. The amount of damage it caused(if any), is not. Therefore, it is a moot argument and doesn't prove anything... Lego meet foot. /shrug
I don't think you really have to dive head-first into the metafictional realm of power in order to understand the threat Mandrakk posed to the whole of creation, nor do you have to go too far down the rabbit hole to understand what it ultimately took to defeat him. That being said, Thought-Robot and Mandrakk ARE metafictional beings(that is quite literally the fundamental part of their powersets), so that aspect of things *has* to weigh-in to some extent when discussing them. No way around that.
It would be like ignoring/disallowing metafictional discussions in a thread involving Ultra Comics. Doesn't work.
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