She rarely uses the Silent Scream though. At this point it may as well be written out of continity along with Thor's "Hammer Sense" precognition.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Stilt, say what you will, at least I never resort to these dirty lowball tactics. I ALWAYS give the devil his due.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Your belief that Cass would stomp Elektra is irrelevant to Shiva's actually record. Also please pinpoint the lowball that I am doing if you are referring to me.
Lets start with the complete hand wave you did to another poster when presented with valid feats earlier.
"I"m not impressed" indeed. You're like Cage's evil twin.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
A hand wave? Again did you not read my reply to Cage. He mentioned Shiva owning Batman and my reply wasn't a hand wave. It was Elektra owning Wolverine. He also mentioned Shiva owning the Secret 6. My reply was Elektra defeating the Serpent Society and the Assassin's guild. I also stated the context involving Shiva and the batfamily and strix.
I'm pretty sure you missed where I called Shiva an elite fighter as well.
So anything else you wish to make up? You accuse me of lowbailing when I asked for feats to show why Shiva would stomp Elektra. And the very few feats that have been shown I have presented Elektra feats that at least matches that.
Do you have any feats that prove Shiva stomps Elektra, that Elektra count match or out perform?
So maybe someone will finally step up and show some feats for Lady Shiva where she outclasses Elektra. Especially those that believe she stomps Elektra. In the meantime I will prove why Elektra wins against her.
Lady Shiva was one-shotted by fake Prometheus Graham in seconds.
Elektra two-shotted Taskmaster in the rematch, after losing previously from the emotional impact of Taskmaster mimicking Daredevil’s moves. This was right after taking down Fatale and Zaran very quickly. Bonus she resists Shatterhead’s TP attack as well.
Some time after their training, Punisher goes to war against the Thunderbolts. Below its Elektra’s turn and despite the fact that she is still holding back, he is clearly no match for her. Even though he cheap-shotted her and attacked her with a knife to her throat, she still tried to help him.
Of course the Punisher is almost always bloodthirsty, but here he is way more pissed than normal. The Hand stole the bodies of his dead family, so the Punisher was clearly going all out against them to recover his family. Unbeknown to him, Elektra was in disguise as a hand ninja and managed to stop him without much violence.
In an older encounter Elektra sliced and diced a man to pieces, while the Punisher grabbed him and he didn’t notice it until man’s limbs started falling apart. Also she effortlessly grabbed the Punisher’s gun out of his hand before he could react, after she ripped a man’s heart out barehanded.
Elektra trained bone-claw Wolverine into resisting an animal like mindset. She disarmed him, flips him around a bunch, and owns him for most of it. She finally fulfilled her purpose in getting him to think like a warrior which resulted in a stalemate.
Shiva has beaten, loss to, and stalemated Batman. Elektra has beaten, loss to, and stalemated DD.
Guess I’ll end with these for now, save some of the Elektra Assassin and Elektra Cape Crow arc for later. In those she used her ninja mental tricks a lot more consistently and in mid fight.
Elektra totally destroyed Hawkeye Lord Barton in h2h, despite first taking an arrow into her shoulder.
Elektra has the h2h advantage of Ironfist until he uses a chi blast to defeat her. Even then he is barely able to stand, and this is without her using any ninja mystic stuff.
I’ll really end with these, Elektra stopped a bullet with just her hand. And throws her sai hard and fast enough to take a guy’s hand off and straight through his body. Crazy
I'm only using Rebirth feats and beyond, not outdated feats, since there is some continuity changes and many stories seem not in continuity anymore.
Fights off some of the Dark Knights
(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Had Batman down, so Cassandra had to step in. Cassandra did do a number on her at the end, but STILL couldn't finish the job. It was Ra's who put Shiva down from a sucker attack.
(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Before that, Shiva was toying with Cassandra. Probably not realizing her true potential, but Shiva did own Batman, too.
(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
You're ignoring the very important context that she was using dirty tactics like blind siding, was armed, was trying to KILL him. Yet he managed to disarm her and hold her off while sticking to non lethal techniques.
If Rand wanted to, he could have used her own sai against her. Instead, he threw it away.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Using just Rebirth will only give her a few feats. Still those that have been showed have already been discussed and answered. I'm still going to show some Daredevil and other stuff, but I really don't see anything in those two arcs to make Shiva better than Elektra.
Getting shot dead by Ras Al Ghul certainly was a low showing for her.
meh Don't see it. Elektra certainly wasn't trying to kill him. She stated in the first scan, she didn't even want to fight him. But he tried to follow her so they fought. He probably just didn't want her to get her weapon back. Any way you look at it, that fight was very competitive. Plus when DD questioned her, Elektra was really trying to help the defenders in her own way looking for info or something like that. But yeah she wasn't performing lethal techniques either.