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Team Shiva Vs Team Elektra
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Shiva may be the most skilled person in this thread but Elektra is no slouch AND she has actual powers. Her respect thread lists some of them. Team Elektra wins.


Shiva beat badgod. Elektra cant do that. stick out tongue

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Shiva may be the most skilled person in this thread but Elektra is no slouch AND she has actual powers. Her respect thread lists some of them. Team Elektra wins.



She rarely uses the Silent Scream though. At this point it may as well be written out of continity along with Thor's "Hammer Sense" precognition.


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Against Shiva, no powers are needed.


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Cass would stomp Nachios, imo.


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Pre-Flashpoint could stand a chance. Maybe.


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Cass would stomp Nachios, imo.


disagree and not relevant here.

Stilt is Elektra Assassin canon? I can't remember.

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As far as I know, it is.


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disagree and not relevant here.

Stilt is Elektra Assassin canon? I can't remember.



Shiva's track record absolutely is relevant here.


Stilt, say what you will, at least I never resort to these dirty lowball tactics. I ALWAYS give the devil his due. smile


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Shiva's track record absolutely is relevant here.


Stilt, say what you will, at least I never resort to these dirty lowball tactics. I ALWAYS give the devil his due. smile


Your belief that Cass would stomp Elektra is irrelevant to Shiva's actually record. Also please pinpoint the lowball that I am doing if you are referring to me.

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Your belief that Cass would stomp Elektra is irrelevant to Shiva's actually record. Also please pinpoint the lowball that I am doing if you are referring to me.



Lets start with the complete hand wave you did to another poster when presented with valid feats earlier.

"I"m not impressed" indeed. You're like Cage's evil twin.


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Lets start with the complete hand wave you did to another poster when presented with valid feats earlier.

"I"m not impressed" indeed. You're like Cage's evil twin.


confused A hand wave? Again did you not read my reply to Cage. He mentioned Shiva owning Batman and my reply wasn't a hand wave. It was Elektra owning Wolverine. He also mentioned Shiva owning the Secret 6. My reply was Elektra defeating the Serpent Society and the Assassin's guild. I also stated the context involving Shiva and the batfamily and strix.

I'm pretty sure you missed where I called Shiva an elite fighter as well.

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...Cass was stalemating Shiva by herself for much of the fight. Which certainly is still elite, but also not someone who is portrayed as unbeatable on the forums.


So anything else you wish to make up? You accuse me of lowbailing when I asked for feats to show why Shiva would stomp Elektra. And the very few feats that have been shown I have presented Elektra feats that at least matches that.

Do you have any feats that prove Shiva stomps Elektra, that Elektra count match or out perform?

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Shiva wouldnt stomp elektra, but she would win.

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So maybe someone will finally step up and show some feats for Lady Shiva where she outclasses Elektra. Especially those that believe she stomps Elektra. In the meantime I will prove why Elektra wins against her.

Lady Shiva was one-shotted by fake Prometheus Graham in seconds.

https://imgur.com/CsjW484
https://imgur.com/J33e8uL

Elektra two-shotted Taskmaster in the rematch, after losing previously from the emotional impact of Taskmaster mimicking Daredevil’s moves. This was right after taking down Fatale and Zaran very quickly. Bonus she resists Shatterhead’s TP attack as well.

https://imgur.com/OU0ECu5
https://imgur.com/aQS9dcD

And even though Taskmaster was able to copy her moves, he couldn’t keep up with her speed.

https://imgur.com/gRqGuUC

Lady Shiva was one-shotted by Jason Todd. The excuse has been given before that Shiva trained him.

https://imgur.com/xmG8OY4

So here’s Elektra training with Punisher. She was completely owning him despite holding back. Crazy feat she ran off of the sword that he threw.

https://imgur.com/a/r8tNlW4

Some time after their training, Punisher goes to war against the Thunderbolts. Below its Elektra’s turn and despite the fact that she is still holding back, he is clearly no match for her. Even though he cheap-shotted her and attacked her with a knife to her throat, she still tried to help him.

https://imgur.com/a/8HI9x18

Of course the Punisher is almost always bloodthirsty, but here he is way more pissed than normal. The Hand stole the bodies of his dead family, so the Punisher was clearly going all out against them to recover his family. Unbeknown to him, Elektra was in disguise as a hand ninja and managed to stop him without much violence.

https://imgur.com/a/9t7BX6b

In an older encounter Elektra sliced and diced a man to pieces, while the Punisher grabbed him and he didn’t notice it until man’s limbs started falling apart. Also she effortlessly grabbed the Punisher’s gun out of his hand before he could react, after she ripped a man’s heart out barehanded.

https://imgur.com/xJkYdBR
https://imgur.com/DfCKiar
https://imgur.com/nkniKri
https://imgur.com/ovgDGdU

Lady Shiva was defeated by Robin Tim Drake wielding a bo staff in a sparring match.

https://imgur.com/a/l9roKq9

Elektra trained bone-claw Wolverine into resisting an animal like mindset. She disarmed him, flips him around a bunch, and owns him for most of it. She finally fulfilled her purpose in getting him to think like a warrior which resulted in a stalemate.

https://imgur.com/a/84JPS8O

Even with the higher end stuff like Shiva flipping Supergirl over.

https://imgur.com/ABwVK5w

Elektra has paralyzed the Red She Hulk with a pressure point sai strike.

https://imgur.com/a/cPOrubW

Lady Shiva was very impressive, beating Shadow Dragon in about 9 pages.

https://imgur.com/a/vLo2lt5

Elektra has beaten 3 hulkbusters in one page with just her hands and feet.

https://imgur.com/a/9mrey

Takes down a gamma powered Crimson Dynamo with her sais in one move.

https://imgur.com/hxGgIkO

Shiva has beaten, loss to, and stalemated Batman. Elektra has beaten, loss to, and stalemated DD.
Guess I’ll end with these for now, save some of the Elektra Assassin and Elektra Cape Crow arc for later. In those she used her ninja mental tricks a lot more consistently and in mid fight.

Elektra totally destroyed Hawkeye Lord Barton in h2h, despite first taking an arrow into her shoulder.

https://imgur.com/xkDyvQK
https://imgur.com/I8aF6ck
https://imgur.com/DZTY1Ne

Elektra has the h2h advantage of Ironfist until he uses a chi blast to defeat her. Even then he is barely able to stand, and this is without her using any ninja mystic stuff.

https://imgur.com/a/uMxaaUV

I’ll really end with these, Elektra stopped a bullet with just her hand. And throws her sai hard and fast enough to take a guy’s hand off and straight through his body. Crazy

https://imgur.com/rh7Iw4i
https://imgur.com/EavGUuV

So, I’m really looking forward to those feats of Lady Shiva that are so much better than Elektra’s.

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Which team of assassins wins?

Team Shiva

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Well, here is some more.

I'm only using Rebirth feats and beyond, not outdated feats, since there is some continuity changes and many stories seem not in continuity anymore.

Fights off some of the Dark Knights

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Had Batman down, so Cassandra had to step in. Cassandra did do a number on her at the end, but STILL couldn't finish the job. It was Ra's who put Shiva down from a sucker attack.

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Before that, Shiva was toying with Cassandra. Probably not realizing her true potential, but Shiva did own Batman, too.

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1st encounter with Cassandra and Batman

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Listen to me. I could kill you with the slightest movement of my hand. I choose not to, because it will hurt you more.


I doubt Elektra could do that to Batman and walk away. Just me.

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Takes out some of the Secret Six. Note that Black Alice has Cheetah's powers, which means she SHOULD have enhanced senses and speed.

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Toys with guys like Catman. Note, that Catman was able to go toe to toe with Aquaman for a bit.

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Stryx admitting that Shiva could have beaten her.

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1st encounter with Cassandra and Batman

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I doubt Elektra could do that to Batman and walk away. Just me.


Batman just got his arm f*cked up... and he's still throwing that stupid dart thing with said arm...

No wonder Shiva was able to catch it.


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I disagree, Danny had the raw skill advantage.



You're ignoring the very important context that she was using dirty tactics like blind siding, was armed, was trying to KILL him. Yet he managed to disarm her and hold her off while sticking to non lethal techniques.



If Rand wanted to, he could have used her own sai against her. Instead, he threw it away.


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Using just Rebirth will only give her a few feats. Still those that have been showed have already been discussed and answered. I'm still going to show some Daredevil and other stuff, but I really don't see anything in those two arcs to make Shiva better than Elektra.

Getting shot dead by Ras Al Ghul certainly was a low showing for her.


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I disagree, Danny had the raw skill advantage.

You're ignoring the very important context that she was using dirty tactics like blind siding, was armed, was trying to KILL him. Yet he managed to disarm her and hold her off while sticking to non lethal techniques.

If Rand wanted to, he could have used her own sai against her. Instead, he threw it away.


meh Don't see it. Elektra certainly wasn't trying to kill him. She stated in the first scan, she didn't even want to fight him. But he tried to follow her so they fought. He probably just didn't want her to get her weapon back. Any way you look at it, that fight was very competitive. Plus when DD questioned her, Elektra was really trying to help the defenders in her own way looking for info or something like that. But yeah she wasn't performing lethal techniques either.

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