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You think Supergirl used her reflexes or speed there?


Well, Shiva did out maneuver Shadowdragon. Why didn't Kara use her speed against Shiva?

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The more I learn about Shiva, the less I respect her.

She's all hype, yes? All those years blowing her scarce few feats out of proportion... and for what?


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The more I learn about Shiva, the less I respect her.

She's all hype, yes? All those years blowing her scarce few feats out of proportion... and for what?


the question is who would you rather fuk

Elektra or Shiva


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Hype? It took all of the Dark Knights to take her down, along with ras.

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The more I learn about Shiva, the less I respect her.

She's all hype, yes? All those years blowing her scarce few feats out of proportion... and for what?



She killed Richard Dragon.


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No, she got stomped and it was Dragon's plan to get killed:

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He said he had no idea.


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He lied.

He floored Shiva in that fight and had her dead to rights, but he allowed her to get up.


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Well, Shiva did out maneuver Shadowdragon. Why didn't Kara use her speed against Shiva?


So you believe that a kryptonian using their speed and not holding back severely, is slower than a street leveler?

And Elektra actually paralyzed and defeated the Red She Hulk with one attack, not just some brief ownage that didn't have a lasting effect.

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The more I learn about Shiva, the less I respect her.

She's all hype, yes? All those years blowing her scarce few feats out of proportion... and for what?


Exactly, she has a lot of hype but not that many feats to support it. Especially when using only rebirth feats, that's why her side keeps bringing up the same feats over and over.

And those feats are not any better than what Elektra has consistently done. It didn't take long to get a concession in the feat vs feat comparison.

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Cdtm mentioning the Richard Dragon fight is all kinds of retarded.

First she got decked by him and he allowed her to get up, pissing her off as he was holding back.

Then he had her dead to rights, but the fight was interrupted.

So it's 2:1 for Dragon in that fight and Shiva's "win" is very dubious at best, as seen above.


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Tbf though, Shiva has a LOT fewer appearances than Elektra.


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Yes, even DC considers her crap, that's why she doesn't get much panel time.

She does have a whole lot of crazy fanboys, though.


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So you believe that a kryptonian using their speed and not holding back severely, is slower than a street leveler?

And Elektra actually paralyzed and defeated the Red She Hulk with one attack, not just some brief ownage that didn't have a lasting effect.


Didnt cassandra go toe to toe with kara too? Batman one-shotted Grundy (who was taking on Gotham), shiva was able to humiliate SG, who has better reflexes, speed, etc... most top tier streets have these types of feats, which is why I dont put too much stock into who has the greater strength or speed in comics. When it comes to these types of battles, it comes down to skill.

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Didnt cassandra go toe to toe with kara too? Batman one-shotted Grundy (who was taking on Gotham), shiva was able to humiliate SG, who has better reflexes, speed, etc... most top tier streets have these types of feats, which is why I dont put too much stock into who has the greater strength or speed in comics. When it comes to these types of battles, it comes down to skill.


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Dang. Shiva owned a kryptonian. Kryptonian>>all.


These types of battles comes down to a lot of different things. Stats are important as well as skill, so is tech or esoteric powers like Domino's luck. Skill isn't the only thing.

By with that being said, Elekta's skill is elite. She doesn't take a back seat to Shiva in skill. Certainly not based on anything presented thus far. Elektra has used pressure points attacks, fought w/o being able to see, etc. She is someone that is capable of re-training Daredevil similar to how Shiva re-trained Bats. She recently became his new "Stick."

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Don't forget that she retrained Wolverine, too.


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Originally posted by Supermutant
So you didn't mean this.



These types of battles comes down to a lot of different things. Stats are important as well as skill, so is tech or esoteric powers like Domino's luck. Skill isn't the only thing.

By with that being said, Elekta's skill is elite. She doesn't take a back seat to Shiva in skill. Certainly not based on anything presented thus far. Elektra has used pressure points attacks, fought w/o being able to see, etc. She is someone that is capable of re-training Daredevil similar to how Shiva re-trained Bats. She recently became his new "Stick."

https://imgur.com/a/V60hh8g


Of course stats count somewhat, but when it comes to MA/street battles skill is what counts most. I'd peg Shiva just as skilled, if not more so than Elektra. I'd also put Batman above Matt, skill wise too, imo.

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Don't forget that she retrained Wolverine, too.

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Elektra trained bone-claw Wolverine into resisting an animal like mindset. She disarmed him, flips him around a bunch, and owns him for most of it. She finally fulfilled her purpose in getting him to think like a warrior which resulted in a stalemate.

https://imgur.com/a/84JPS8O

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The final result was so good, Logan was able to dodge and block strikes from Stick.

She also trained the Punisher, being consistently shown as superior to him... and Frank, despite preferring guns, is easily Black Widow level.


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The final result was so good, Logan was able to dodge and block strikes from Stick.

She also trained the Punisher, being consistently shown as superior to him... and Frank, despite preferring guns, is easily Black Widow level.


yes on 2nd page as well. She owned Pun in ways that even Daredevil and Spider-man haven't come close too.

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