Limbs means more than one, what was the other limb she cut off?
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So despite me talking out my ass about Ant Man, I am still learning on a heavy majority towards Wolf.
King and Vault have made very good points for Marvel so I'm gonna disagree with Squalls "casual" but I really just don't see Steppenwolf losing very many matches.
Also, if he does lose his axe, he is more than strong enough to beat any of them to death. But giant will be a problem without the axe.
I didnt say just brute strength. I said freezing it first then hitting it with brute strength. You think Thor or Hulk or Spidey(who at this point has better strength feats than Diana) could break it with a similar weapon?
Its canon for Ant-Man, Wasp and Hornett(rip) to maintain their mass when they shrink. Everyone else is just small since they dont have a Pym suit to regulate their mass at that size.
You're the one being biased in your arguments as you aren't even using established canon.
Thor and Hulk has Diana best in strength, but no way does Peter come close.
Tell that to the giant building that Hank rolled around in a suitcase, or the giant tank he carries as a key ring. It’s proven that Marvel’s shrinking tech is only applied to scenes when it needs too, the canon is non existent.
Wolf was able to swim and fight Meera and Arthur under water, swing his axe with no exertion what so ever. He casually kills this team.
Directly compare their feats. Peter has more and better ones.
He could swim well because he's really strong. On land in literally every single fight he stands there and tanks, blocks or deflects what's coming at him. He's not fast at all.
And them being small means they're just small. Only the people wearing the suit can still hit like they're full size when they're small. Unless you've got a scene showing different.
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What better feats does Peter have that Diana can’t casually replicate?
It means he’s able to move his limbs even faster on land since he’s fighting the inertia from being submerged so far I deep. He tanks attacks because no one was able to hurt him, and he knew it. He was able to fight off all the League minus Superman, and he was winning most of the times.
The tank that Hank carried around should still carry its mass since there was nothing that regulated said mass. Fact is, Marvel went along and used Pym particles when they couldn’t explain their own canon.
I was waiting for someone to say this tbh.
We saw the axe break by being chilled by Superman's breath, and hit by WW's sword.
Saying "it's freaking Superman" is irrelevant. We don't s assign powers and feats based on reputation.
Also everything Superman does isn't automatically awarded maximum limits like his heat vision being hotter than the sun or his freeze breath being colder than the coldest thing in the universe, just because it's Superman. Unless specified.
All we know is that the axe was"chilled" then shattered when struck.
Going by her own feats in Wonder Woman, BvS, and Justice League...a lot of them. I should be asking what feats Diana has that Peter can't replicate. He's already moved, lifted, and held more weight than the tank she picked up in WW1. He has a better tower feat. He's much faster reaction wise. Holding together the ferry for a while. Moving that entire building that fell on his spine, holding up a jet bridge, etc, etc...
I was going to give Steppenwolf the victory fairly easily until I rewatched the Giant Man footage and started to think about what he and Spiderman has accomplished in the movies. Now I'm not sure if Steppenwolf even wins at all. Giant Man was casually kicking a bus around and ripping an airplane wing off and using it as a weapon. I'm torn right now.
How does this prove your argument? If anything, the fact that the tank, along with the building, the cars they carry around in the tiny suitcase etc. are all reduced in mass when shrunk while the people in suits can seemingly change their density relative to their size hurts your argument. Especially when your first claim is this:
So, which one is your actual position now? Do they keep it or lose it?
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Also, shrinking down Steppenwolf does not even remotely mean they wouldn't be able to see or track him. We've seen Stark-tech can track shrunken targets, courtesy of Ant-Man's fight with Falcon. Hell, Spider-Man even has an advanced reconnaissance setting. And even T'Challa and Scott have some HUDs and things in their helmets.
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No, the only one assuming anything is you. Superman's freeze breath was required to shatter Steppenwolf's axe.
Superman's freeze breath is not here. How cold does his freeze breath get? 0 C? Absolute zero? Somewhere in-between? You don't have any idea, but you're using its ability to make the axe brittle enough to shatter as evidence that a team of characters who are not have no relation to and are frankly vastly inferior to Superman can break it.
What we also know is that the axe could tank sword swings from Diana just fine, and that Diana could lop off Doomsday's hand with a sword and could even stop a punch from him with a swing of it.
So why exactly should a bunch of characters who aren't as strong as Doomsday if they combined all their power be able to break the axe?
I didn't even see that one initially. Breaking the axe is a rather outlandish claim IMO, especially when we don't know how much brute strength alone it would require to do. Shattering something that has just been flash-frozen is not the same as doing it regularly.
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Ant-Man could just start small, drop on the axe (via Spidey) and shrink it til Stepp can no longer use it. Then it’s just a matter of Ant Man giant-ing up and stepping on Stepp (pardon the pun).
Has Stepp ever thrown the axe? I don’t think the axe has Mjolnir-like power when thrown after all. Wouldn’t it just be one strong guy throwing an axe? I mean sure that would MAYBE hurt Ant-Man if it hits something crucial but Ant-man can just as easily block it with his arm (his arm would get hurt, maybe, but soon as Stepp is separated from his axe, G-man can just step on him).
After all, the axe is just a heavy sharp instrument. You’ll need both mass and speed to do damage. And you’ll need to really have a lot of both as the axe would be no more than the size of a small razor blade to Giant-man. Unless of course, there are showings where the axe “carries over” Stepp’s strength/power when thrown?
Is Scott allowed to shrink though? OP specifically lists Giant-Man and I don't think he ever answered my question regarding the rest of his standard gear and abilities.
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Also been poking around and Steppenwolf does have one really decent striking feat. If he can deliver a clean strike of equal magnitude to this to something like Scott's head or upper chest/neck area, it would probably do some serious damage. The only thing that still leaves a bit of doubt is the fact that the axe head doesn't actually penetrate the ground that deeply and most of the damage comes from the shockwave. But still, it's a very impressive strike.
And before I get jumped on by some people, yes, I know. Delivering a clean hit on the ground in front of you and doing so on an actively moving and fighting opponent is not the same thing. But Scott is a big-ass target.
Of course, I am acting here as if this is one-on-one. War Machine, Black Panther and Spider-Man can still make nuisances of themselves as well.
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T’would be weird if simply using Giantman as the name on the thread would mean he’d nerf all of Scott’s other abilities. Heavily nerfed, Scott would have less options to take Stepp down but I still say they pull it off.
Spidey can web up Stepp (won’t hold him for long but it’d serve as a good enough distraction) and disrupt his movement, even for a few moments, Scott can then get a stomp on.
I imagine WM dropping ordinance would add to that distraction as well.
BP gets one shot though.
With regards to an axe headstrike, Stepp will have to leap towards G-man’s head to do that.
Reach is at a HUGE advantage for G-man. IF Stepp leaps towards his head, it’d be far more likely that he would simply swat him away or at least block the strike with his hands/arms.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Mar 3rd, 2020 at 06:45 AM
OP is very vague though. I suppose one could interpret "Same circumstances as the Russian fight" as standard, geared up team, seeing as that's how the JL headed out to Steppenwolf. I honestly can't say for sure though. There's a lot of room for interpretation.
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