i think trump voters who lose their jobs over this crisis should forgo any stimulus money and added unemployment assistance, since they're still mad that democrats were the ones who fought the original version to put those in place, and y'all were like "NOOOOO JUST PASS IT!!!!1121"
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How do you wake up and decide that is a good idea? Not event remotely surprised. Any stimulus package must make it explicitly clear what employers can’t do to protect employees. And if you’re a large national company you should also have legal on retainer or in-house counsel. Also a public relations team. Terrible idea.
Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
The money is coming from us tax-payers, a one-time payment to appease the plebs; while doing little to actually help them, while the already rich take the lion's share again (similar to the 2008 bailouts).
It's socialism and now your Trump loving ass loves it.
Individuals / Families $603.7 billion 30%
Big Business $500.0 billion 25%
Small Business $377.0 billion 19%
State and Local Government $340.0 billion 17%
Public Services $179.5 billion 9%
Looks like the rich get 25%. That's not a lion's share.
A "small business" doesn't necessarily mean a small antique ship run by Mr. and Mr. Gary and Brandon earning $150k a year.
Their standard definition of a small business includes operations with up to $7 million in revenue or 500 employees, depending on the industry. And there are countless exceptions, with revenue thresholds set as high as $35.5 million, and employee counts as high as 1,500! -Forbes
Are you taking the stance that small business owners are rich people on average and that the stimulus to help small business owners from going out of business is actually a stimulus check for more rich people?
Because the average small business owner makes $73,000 but SBA has even lower numbers:
Other than the $10 billion in grants, the money is for payroll. Paying the employees.
Not the rich like you said.
Even if your small business makes less than $100 million a year and has 500 employees, you may not have the cash to pay your employees to keep them around during the lockdowns. You think the money is going to the rich in this scenario but that is false. And you're going about it as dishonestly as possible and I don't know why.
Is it because Pelosi couldn't sneak in her unrelated legislation and this bill was touted as a major Republican win?
Lion share of the money is going to the every day American. Even the large corporations will have to use some of that money to pay the little guy. It's not largely going into the pockets of "the rich" like you say.
This not the 2008-2012 bailouts where execs gave themselves big bonuses from the stimulus payouts. Not yet, at least. And a majority of this is going to the average American.
"To ease the strain on businesses around the country, the Small Business Administration (SBA) will be given $350 billion to provide loans of up to $10 million to qualifying organizations. These funds can be used for mission critical activities, such as paying rent or keeping employees on the payroll during COVID-19 closures.
As well, the bill sets aside $10 billion in grants for small businesses that need help covering short-term operating costs." -snip
Not sure if these are the tactics you use with Surtur but it's retarded and pathetic.
Edit - Because you were wrong and know you're wrong, and will use any tactic to wriggle out of being wrong, let's cut this tactic off before you try it:
"If a person, group, or project gets the lion's share of something, they get the largest part of it, leaving very little for other people."
You're definitely wrong. And it looks like a comfortable majority will go to average everyday Americans even with some of the money going to the corporations, which represents a minority.
It's says "to provide loans of up to $10 million to qualifying organizations.", an actual small business like the antique shop isn't going to be given 10mil, not even 1mil. They'll get maybe a few months of payroll and operating costs, maybe 4-7k. While the not-really-small-business-business who is a multi-million company will get millions like a big business.
I'm not playing games, maybe you are?
To your edit: Okay, you are playing games, silly semantics now.
Okay, since you were real with me, I'll be real with you. Read the whole post and don't just had-wave it as 'dadudemon useless fluff.'
You telling me you don't appreciate me tell you that you're being dishonest means you respect my opinion enough that it matters. I can work with that.
Your original post, which I responded to, made it seem like the Phase 3 COVID-19 recovery bill had been changed significantly and that a large majority of the money was going to rich people (which would obviously rustle my jimmies as I am opposed to this type of behavior from the government). I had been following this bill closely for over a week. I thought I knew the content and it was already passed.
Because I trusted your input on these topics, assuming you weren't misleading and were just jimmy-rustled about it as I would be, I was like, "Well, shit, this sucks."
So I looked it up to get the exact figures to see how f*cked up the situation was.
Then I saw you were either a dirty-filthy liar or just misinformed.
So I posted the content and didn't skip any details. Politely. So you could still save face. Because I know you have an anti-Robtard following and I don't want to give them too much fuel: those discussions and immature conversations have long worn out their amusement.
But you didn't want to save face. You doubled down and tried being very dishonest with a tactic that is easily veritable: most small business owners make less than you and I. They are, individually, eligible for the tax refund and the small business help.
And for small businesses on the larger side, they can even get grants to pay their landlords to keep from having to close.
But for everyone else, if they are eligible, they can get loans to keep their payroll going for their employees: a stop-gap before having to declare chapter 11 and sell off assets, lay employees off, furlough, etc.
Then you descended into classic word games and goalpost stuff - standard. It's the same treatment you give Surtur. Which I always find retarded.
If the rich try to line their pockets with this money, as very large small business owners, they'd still have to prove they were eligible for the loans that will have to pay back, anyway. So they are not lining their pockets, at best, and this will harm them long term if they cannot recover, at worst. It's just a stop-gap.
Almost all of these funds will go to the "little guy" not some rich corportist.
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