Well, Deano keeps posting tweets by someone who knows someone who knows someone who died from a vaccine, but he really should make his own thread for that.
"vax hax?" "vaccidiots?" "vaccine comes clean?"
I'm sure he could come up with a better title.
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To be fair it is only a political issue because of one side. The anti-vaxxers and people constantly spreading misinformation about Covid like yourself.
Except for maybe two mods that are conservative in nature that keep siding with you all everyone knows most of conservative Covid stance is silly.
You can call it misinfo if you want, I happen to think that's a convenient category to ignore anything that doesn't mesh with your world view.
I think in the end the truth will come out about covid, and just like it did with the 200k who died from dangerous medical interventions for aids. It's just that no one will care and it'll go down the memory hole.
It's political on your side because you support political intervention in people's lives i.e. the lockdowns, the mask mandates, the vaxx mandates etc.
My side says those political interventions are immoral. I, personally, find any political intervention in my life to be immoral on the count of the perpetrators and their supporters.
That was a long winded way to just prove what I said. The conservative stance on covid is silly. It relies conspiracy theories to even begin to make sense.
Churches spread misinformation as well, that doesn't make churches political.
However, if a church tried to get the government to impose a law that group would then become political.
For instance if a church is trying to make abortion illegal via legislation, that's political.
If a church believes abortion is wrong, that's not inherently political.
The pro vaxx people are inherently statist, they want to employ the government's power to affect the lives of others. That is definitionally political.
Thinking the government doesn't get to make decisions about the economy or your individual health is not political.
then let the time wasters post a covid conspiracy thread to spew their misinformation upon, and let the covid thread remain, with an enforced rule to not derail with misinformation and conspiracy vomit. this new policy of "oh just be nice to the bad faith derailer troll or it's equally your fault" is ridiculous.
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First off Covid became political when Republicans kept misrepresenting it to not have to deal fall out of looking bad and their incompetence as in they are the ones that started putting their political feelings and influence into our Covid response.
Everything else you said is just basic bullshit that tries make you sound have a valid point.
We are creatures of society and grouping. That inherently places politics into our being on out to govern us as a group. I will not let you pretend that somehow makes it that vaccine mandates are what made Covid political though lol.
You keep categorizing my arguments instead of addressing them.
Do you think that if you vote for something and the government fulfills that wish that your wish was gained through political means ?
If yes, then that must mean things that aren't achieved, or acquired, through the government and the voting mechanism must be non political. An example of non-political action would be me trading an apple to my neighbor for an egg, which is achievement or acquisition through the market.
If you think market actions are political, then that word is meaningless is the same way arguing gravity means things fly up into the air because gravity and that things fall to the ground because of gravity.
This is a quote by Franz Oppenheimer, and the commonly accepted and used, terms that make this distinction clear.
“I propose in the following discussion to call one’s own labor, and the equivalent exchange of one’s own labor for the labor of others, the ‘economic means’ for the satisfaction of needs, while the unrequited appropriation of the labor of others will be called the ‘political means’.”
So basically you're using a term that isn't human standard to make a point that is false on either ground as Republicans were the first to use their political platform to change our Covid response. They were the ones put in such inept procedures and misinformation that we lost more per capita then other developed countries.
Also I keep categorizing your arguments because understanding the why they are failures is just as important as the things try to use them to say.
Just told you that Oppenheimer's taxonomy is widely accepted, just because you're unfamiliar with the concepts I use doesn't mean everyone else is.
You're still categorizing my arguments instead of addressing them.
What were the inept procedures you're mentioning ? Did they want to use the power of the government to achieve the intialization of aforementioned procedures ?
Did any of that misinformation lead to any political action ? If so, what political action specifically ?
Asking you to be civil isn't a "new policy". It's literally been part of the forum rules for donkey's years. And that's all that was asked. Nobody said anything about them being equal.
The thread is an idea though, sure. Not sure it's a good one, but it bears considering.
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Okay, guys, seriously, this thread has gotten off-topic enough. There's literally the septic tank thread. Please use that.
Do I really have to point out the obvious that just because something is widely known doesn't mean it is the standard that is used lol.
They used the power of the government to delay needed benefits, steps to containing the pandemic that cost many more lives than were needed. They did so for mostly political gain as well.
You see you're making a fundamental mistake that government taking action is the only way to be political in our system, withholding needed government action is also just as political.
It is widely used, as I've already said. Franz Oppenheimer is one of the 20th century's most important sociologists. You're just uneducated, which is okay.
With holding political action isn't political, the same way being non violent isn't violence.
You're also conflating importance with standardization. A good example of this is Darwin. He one of the most important scientist in history but many of his findings aren't the standard for evolutionally biology anymore.
You do understand by withholding violence while other violence being committed you're allowing violence thus you are participating in the violence whether you like it your not.
The same would hold true for politics if you're trying to make that argument. If you withhold important political organizations from working to fulfill the needs of yours citizens to retain political power that is political.
Oppenheimer is the standard for the sociology of the state. Argue against that idea all you want, you're still wrong.
If someone is being beat up, not interfering with that is not violence. There's an episode of Seinfeld about how retarded that exact idea is.
C'mon mannnnnn.
putting aside the allowance of a covid conspiracy thread, why would it not be a solution?
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I believe you are familiar with the quote, "When good men do nothing that is evil enough"
For instance if you came across a man that was hung from a tree and dying. Would you not help them? If you just left him when you could have saved him does that not mean you participated in the harm of that man by not acting.
Pretending that wielding political station as a means to push misinformation and not putting into place protocols to actually people when you have the means to for political gain doesn't make it any less political.
The seriousness of this was that many people died because Republicans cared more about being right then they cared about following the science.
Also Seinfeld isn't exactly a great reference to use to make a point.
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