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We have this:
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Justice Department launching investigation into Ahmaud Arbery's death as a hate crime, family's attorneys say -snip


Hoho-ho!


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So nothing.


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IOW: Someone here either breaks into the GA Justice Department offices and steals their files or Surt's correct.

How infantile...


i'm sure the 3 stooges appreciate everything surt is doing to strengthen their case. their defense should just do the same thing and pretend that no evidence exists. that'll win the case!


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Point to the evidence please.


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He's acting this way now and all the District Attorney said is that they're investigating to see if a Hate Crime is admissible, which means they have something they think is possible. Imagine how he'll act if Hate Crime charges are made official...
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i'm sure the 3 stooges appreciate everything surt is doing to strengthen their case. their defense should just do the same thing and pretend that no evidence exists. that'll win the case!


Always trying so hard, they are...

Anyhow. If a Hate Crime(s) are levied against these racist, I do wonder if their attorney will press them to seek a plea bargain, where they admit to a non Hate Crime and maybe a lesser murder charge (if GA has that).

The son is young enough where he could still have a life in 7-12 years.


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the justice department decided that there was sufficient argument to investigate evidence of a hate crime.


Yup.

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It was this:

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I can tell you from the DoJ's own quoted words, this has part of what they said on the topic:

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...The Department of Justice announced Monday it is "assessing all of the evidence to determine whether federal hate crimes charges are appropriate" in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old Georgia black man...

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Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr tweeted that he made a formal request to the DOJ to investigate because the state is "committed to a complete and transparent review" of how Arbery's case was handled from the outset.



https://www.axios.com/ahmaud-arbery...a2a1b318d8.html

...the reason they are investigating this is due to the request made by the Georgia Attorney General.


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Always trying so hard, they are...

Anyhow. If a Hate Crime(s) are levied against these racist, I do wonder if their attorney will press them to seek a plea bargain, where they admit to a non Hate Crime and maybe a lesser murder charge (if GA has that).

The son is young enough where he could still have a life in 7-12 years.


can they even can do that with a separate federal charge?


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can they even can do that with a separate federal charge?


Good point; don't know.


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Good point; don't know.


me neither. i wasn't even being rhetorical in asking


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GA still has the death penalty. So I do imagine their lawyer is looking into it, should the need arise.


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Today, the Civil Rights Division of the US Department of Justice usually prosecutes hate crimes under two federal hate crime laws. Under 18 U.S.C. § 245, federal prosecutors can charge a person with a hate crime if the person, because of the victim’s “race, color, religion or national origin” interferes with the victim’s ability to engage in any of six federally protected activities, such as attending school.

The federal government’s power to prosecute civil rights violations has been expanded under the newest federal hate crime law, the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr., Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 (18 U.S.C. § 249). Under section 249, it is a federal crime to cause or attempt to cause injury to any person because of the victim’s “race, color, religion, or national origin;” and it is also illegal to cause injury to any person because of his or her “religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.” The law applies when the defendant, the victim, or a weapon used has traveled over state lines; or the crime has any link to or effect on interstate commerce.

So long as there is some link to interstate travel or commerce, the Shepard Act can be used to prosecute bias-motivated beatings of homosexuals in places where state law does not provide protection based on sexual orientation. For example, if a person travels from one state to another to attend a gay pride parade and is attacked after the parade by a thug yelling homophobic slurs, the thug could be prosecuted under the Shepard Act for a hate crime.

However, these are not the only laws in a federal prosecutor’s arsenal. For example, in 2010, a jury in Pennsylvania convicted two teens of violating the Fair Housing Act after they beat to death a Mexican immigrant. The jury found that the teen’s actions were motivated by their desire to keep Latinos from living in their community. Federal prosecutors have also brought charges against police officers who engage in assault while on the job, and people who engage in human trafficking and voter intimidation.

Penalties
Federal civil rights violations can carry stiff penalties. Violations under 18 U.S.C. § 245 that result in bodily injury are punishable by up to ten years in federal prison. If death results, then the crime is punishable by the death penalty or life imprisonment. Violations under 18 U.S.C. § 249 are punishable by as little as ten years’ or as much as life imprisonment, depending on the circumstances.


https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...violations.html


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posted this in the wrong "black man murdered" thread. honest and easy mistake to make:





maybe this was what warranted the hate crime investigation:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/us/m...bery/index.html

Ahmaud Arbery was hit with a truck before he died, and his killer allegedly used a racial slur, investigator testifies

(CNN)William Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael use a racial epithet after fatally shooting Ahmaud Arbery in Glynn County, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent testified Thursday during preliminary hearings.

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after three blasts from McMichael's shotgun left Arbery dead in February the streets of the Satilla Shores neighborhood, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial said. Body camera footage also showed a Confederate flag sticker on the toolbox of McMichael's truck, Dial said.
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gaslighting/deflection in 3...2...1...


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Very important update on the case that adds in two heaping scoops of racism:

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maybe this was what warranted the hate crime investigation:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/us/m...bery/index.html

Ahmaud Arbery was hit with a truck before he died, and his killer allegedly used a racial slur, investigator testifies

(CNN)William Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael use a racial epithet after fatally shooting Ahmaud Arbery in Glynn County, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent testified Thursday during preliminary hearings.

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after three blasts from McMichael's shotgun left Arbery dead in February the streets of the Satilla Shores neighborhood, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial said. Body camera footage also showed a Confederate flag sticker on the toolbox of McMichael's truck, Dial said.
-snip

gaslighting/deflection in 3...2...1...






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Body camera footage also showed a Confederate flag sticker on the toolbox of McMichael's truck, Dial said.


That's the evidence I talked about :

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...VERY easy to prove if these guys were racist. It should take just a few seconds and any of you could do it by just looking at their social media profiles if they are public.


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If they posted racist shit: likely racist.

If they didn't: likely not.




But if they didn't post it on social media, then they can find it other ways such as the confederate flag or racial slurs used during or shortly after the violence.


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posted this in the wrong "black man murdered" thread. honest and easy mistake to make:





maybe this was what warranted the hate crime investigation:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/us/m...bery/index.html

Ahmaud Arbery was hit with a truck before he died, and his killer allegedly used a racial slur, investigator testifies

(CNN)William Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael use a racial epithet after fatally shooting Ahmaud Arbery in Glynn County, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent testified Thursday during preliminary hearings.

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after three blasts from McMichael's shotgun left Arbery dead in February the streets of the Satilla Shores neighborhood, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial said. Body camera footage also showed a Confederate flag sticker on the toolbox of McMichael's truck, Dial said.
-snip

gaslighting/deflection in 3...2...1...


How dare you post this in the thread during the 3 minutes I was making my post.


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"Ahmaud Arbery was hit with a truck before he died, and his killer allegedly used a racial slur, investigator testifies"... -snip

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after... -snip



I'm sure the truck hit was them trying to humanly subdue Arbery and the racial slur was said as an expression of fondness. I mean, what else could it be. confused


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@ddm this takes it up a huge notch in the hate crime case. yelling a racial slur after shooting someone to death is a huge nail in their collective coffin; proof of racial motive for killing>>>>>proof of general racial bias


*waiting for surt's "no proof of racial bias"*


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"Ahmaud Arbery was hit with a truck before he died, and his killer allegedly used a racial slur, investigator testifies"... -snip

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after... -snip



I'm sure the truck hit was them trying to humanly subdue Arbery and the racial slur was said as an expression of fondness. I mean, what else could it be. confused


Hard "r" is not appropriate and even the missing "r" is only appropriate if you black friends directly gave you the n-card. And that n'card can only be used privately with that black friend. Trust me: I know the white people rules.

This will come as a shock to you...but...Mr. McMichael was likely being racist when he used the n-word.


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@ddm this takes it up a huge notch in the hate crime case. yelling a racial slur after shooting someone to death is a huge nail in their collective coffin; racial motive for killing>>>>>proof of general racial bias


*waiting for surt's "no proof of racial bias"*


That's correct. So the DoJ should move their "looking into it" stance to a "now prosecuting as a hate crime" stance.


Edit - And the rumor is (baseless internet talk) that the DoJ only moves for formal prosecution when they know their case is very solid meaning many hate crime cases don't make it to the prosecution phase because the DoJ is picky/only wants wins a la Japan's CJS.


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That's correct. So the DoJ should move their "looking into it" stance to a "now prosecuting as a hate crime" stance.


Agreed, finally we have facts instead of feelings.


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