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Going by International Law they have absolutely no right to continue existing the way they are.

Anyway like I said, one way to find out. Cut their funding. Quit funding a nation with free healthcare when you don't have it for your own citizens ffs. Let alone to an apartheid state continuously building illegal settlements (Illegal by International Law).


The International Court of Justice has ruled that the elected leaders of Palestine also cannot continuing acting as they have been, so that is a moot point. Similarly, the U.S. is not the only country that provides aid to Israel. So does Britain, Canada, Italy, Netherlands, and Spain. And those are only the top five. If the U.S. stopped providing aid to Israel tomorrow, they would be in a similarly situated position as they are now.



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Pretty sure they came close to getting Bernie in years ago long before the current bombing spree but the Dems ganged up against him. So there's more to this than you're making out.

Presently though I think there's a reason KH didn't go for Shapiro as VP, and why KH changed her tune in her very next rally (well let's face it her initial reaction to those protestors wasn't very professional). So she clearly thinks more of that voting block than you do.

So the protests and growing anti-Israel sentiment clearly is/are having an effect, even if Americans are generally behind most the rest of the world on this.

But they can at the very least be pressured to push as hard as possible for a two state solution (and an immediate ceasefire obviously). Let's face it, whichever President manages to get the 2 state done, will go down in History as a legend. That's gotta be motivation.


If by "Dems ganged up against him," you mean, "more registered Democrats voted for another candidate," then you would be correct. The person with the most votes wins. Imagine that?

Moreover, public opinion is turning against the pro-Palestine movement in the United States, particularly on social media platforms like TikTok. There are pro-Palestine activists figuratively threatening to execute democracy in the United States unless voters, particularly vulnerable people, withhold their vote from Harris. Americans are not going to light themselves on fire here to keep Palestians warm over there. And those demands are sinking support for the pro-Palestine movement like a lead baloon.

Biden-Harris called for an immediate ceasefire earlier this year. A two-state solution has been the proposed solution by Democrats since Bill Clinton was in office. You are demanding things Democrats have already called for, and that Republicans are standing in the way of. So why are you not applying that pressure to the Republicans, who need to change their positions, instead of the Democrats who have already adopted those positions? All pressuring Democrats over this issue accomplishes is eroding support from Democrats. You know, the one party that wants to help, and need to be elected to power to do so?


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This was a big thing during the Scottish independence referendum. The twitter mob were convinced it was a sure thing that the vote would end up heavily in favour of a Yes vote because all the twitter polls were like 80% for independence. They were all oblivious to the fact that twitter isn't reality. It was an echo chamber and particularly a left wing echo chamber. There's very few places online that aren't these days.


Twitter can be an echo chamber of your choosing. Or at least it used to be. Now it bombards you with right wing BS all the time even when trying to just look at video game news or porn.

But yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. One of the chambers of echo chambers is it's easy to trick yourself into thinking they're reality.


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The left is mostly youth, who dominate twitter. Y'all think its right wing gamers but it really isn't.


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Twitter can be an echo chamber of your choosing. Or at least it used to be. Now it bombards you with right wing BS all the time even when trying to just look at video game news or porn.

But yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. One of the chambers of echo chambers is it's easy to trick yourself into thinking they're reality.



I wonder if it's intentional in the algorithm, or if the Right just vastly outnumbers the Left on X now since Musk took over.

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The International Court of Justice has ruled that the elected leaders of Palestine also cannot continuing acting as they have been, so that is a moot point. Similarly, the U.S. is not the only country that provides aid to Israel. So does Britain, Canada, Italy, Netherlands, and Spain. And those are only the top five. If the U.S. stopped providing aid to Israel tomorrow, they would be in a similarly situated position as they are now.



Well there is no Palestinian state to enforce anything on. And it really doesn't matter what the Palestinian authority or Hamas do or don't do. It wouldn't make any difference to anything.

Whereas if we could just enforce all International Law and Human Rights on Israel, this entire conflict would be solved overnight.

FYI Spain has recognised Palestine, and the UK has suspended arms and plans on recognising Palestine after this conflict ends. So the rest of the world is progressing, but it's all pointless until they get the U.S on board, who is absolutely in a position to make demands from Israel given the Billions upon Billions they fund them every year (ridiculous number of billions since October 7th).




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If by "Dems ganged up against him," you mean, "more registered Democrats voted for another candidate," then you would be correct. The person with the most votes wins. Imagine that?


Bernie was in the lead until other candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden. That's what I mean by the Dems ganging up. FYI Bernie has consistently polled as the most popular American politician bar none.

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Moreover, public opinion is turning against the pro-Palestine movement in the United States, particularly on social media platforms like TikTok. There are pro-Palestine activists figuratively threatening to execute democracy in the United States unless voters, particularly vulnerable people, withhold their vote from Harris. Americans are not going to light themselves on fire here to keep Palestians warm over there. And those demands are sinking support for the pro-Palestine movement like a lead baloon.


Yes and they've probably also messed up with blocking roads and stuff. Not the best way to get people on board.

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Biden-Harris called for an immediate ceasefire earlier this year. A two-state solution has been the proposed solution by Democrats since Bill Clinton was in office. You are demanding things Democrats have already called for, and that Republicans are standing in the way of. So why are you not applying that pressure to the Republicans, who need to change their positions, instead of the Democrats who have already adopted those positions? All pressuring Democrats over this issue accomplishes is eroding support from Democrats. You know, the one party that wants to help, and need to be elected to power to do so?



That's fair.

But can the President not use Executive Orders to bypass the Republicans getting in the way?

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Well there is no Palestinian state to enforce anything on. And it really doesn't matter what the Palestinian authority or Hamas do or don't do. It wouldn't make any difference to anything.

Whereas if we could just enforce all International Law and Human Rights on Israel, this entire conflict would be solved overnight.

FYI Spain has recognised Palestine, and the UK has suspended arms and plans on recognising Palestine after this conflict ends. So the rest of the world is progressing, but it's all pointless until they get the U.S on board, who is absolutely in a position to make demands from Israel given the Billions upon Billions they fund them every year (ridiculous number of billions since October 7th).


The International Court of Justice has found that the elected government of Palestine has also committed war crimes against Israel. So it is naïve to suggest that unequal enforcement would end the conflict.



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Bernie was in the lead until other candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden. That's what I mean by the Dems ganging up. FYI Bernie has consistently polled as the most popular American politician bar none.


Sanders was not in the lead, Buttigeig was. Buttigeig won the first primary in Iowa, and won the most delegates in the second primary in New Hampshire. Buttigeig withdrew and endorsed Biden just before Super Tuesday, when multiple Southern states hold their primaries on the same day. Biden was projected to win those states, giving him an insurmountable lead, and leaving no other candidate with a viable path forward. Sanders was never in the lead.



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That's fair.

But can the President not use Executive Orders to bypass the Republicans getting in the way?


No, because Republicans will sue to block the implementation of the executive order. It will languish in federal court for months or years, to eventually be blocked by the conservative-packed Supreme Court. Pro-Palestine activists will csay he made false promises, and that he is ineffective, and people should not vote for Democrats. Republicans will say he is breaking the law, and that he is abandoning our only ally in the Middle-East. It would be a symbolic gesture that accomplishes nothing, but costs everything.


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Hidden-camera video shows Project 2025 co-author discussing his secret work preparing for a second Trump term

Last month, Russell Vought sat in a five-star Washington, DC, hotel suite, bowing his head in prayer with two men he thought were relatives of a wealthy conservative donor.

Vought, one of the key authors of Project 2025, a right-wing blueprint for a second Trump term, expected the meeting would help his think tank secure a substantial contribution. For nearly two hours, he talked candidly about his behind-the-scenes work to prepare policy for former President Donald Trump, his expansive views on presidential power, his plans to restrict pornography and immigration, and his complaints that the GOP was too focused on “religious liberty” instead of “Christian nation-ism.” -snip

Vought said his group, the Center for Renewing America, was secretly drafting hundreds of executive orders, regulations, and memos that would lay the groundwork for rapid action on Trump’s plans if he wins, describing his work as creating “shadow” agencies. He claimed that Trump has “blessed” his organization and “he’s very supportive of what we do.”

“Eighty percent of my time is working on the plans of what’s necessary to take control of these bureaucracies,” Vought said. “And we are working doggedly on that, whether it’s destroying their agencies’ notion of independence … whether that is thinking through how the deportation would work.” -snip



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The International Court of Justice has found that the elected government of Palestine has also committed war crimes against Israel. So it is naïve to suggest that unequal enforcement would end the conflict.



Completely false. Donate the same amount to the Palestinian elected government (Hamas) that you do to Israel and then we can talk about equal treatment. And what about the Palestinians in the illegally settlements. Forget funding who even compensates them for their loss of homes?

What is naive is to think you can arm and fund one side of this conflict (the oppressors) and then whine about how international law applies to both the oppressors and the victims otherwise we can't have progress. That's not a formula for for progression, but for continued conflict. Hence what is happening.


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Sanders was never in the lead.



Oh okay.


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No, because Republicans will sue to block the implementation of the executive order. It will languish in federal court for months or years, to eventually be blocked by the conservative-packed Supreme Court. Pro-Palestine activists will csay he made false promises, and that he is ineffective, and people should not vote for Democrats. Republicans will say he is breaking the law, and that he is abandoning our only ally in the Middle-East. It would be a symbolic gesture that accomplishes nothing, but costs everything.



Got it. But I don't think you're giving the voters enough credit here. If it's clear that Dems have tried but Republicans have stopped progress, then it will be clear to the voters that Dems everyone needs to vote Dems to gain full control to end this decades long Apartheid.

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Bill Clinton got closer to a lasting peace in the 90s, then a Far-Right Israeli ended it with a bullet.


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Bill Clinton got closer to a lasting peace in the 90s, then a Far-Right Israeli ended it with a bullet.
Some people forget just how good Clinton actualy was.


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Dickhead and degenerate, but America did rather well under Clinton. eg Highest job creation record.


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You're flirting with me again... I'd pat your head and say "good lad" smile
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Completely false. Donate the same amount to the Palestinian elected government (Hamas) that you do to Israel and then we can talk about equal treatment. And what about the Palestinians in the illegally settlements. Forget funding who even compensates them for their loss of homes?

What is naive is to think you can arm and fund one side of this conflict (the oppressors) and then whine about how international law applies to both the oppressors and the victims otherwise we can't have progress. That's not a formula for for progression, but for continued conflict. Hence what is happening.


It is not completely false. The issue is not equal treatment, but unequal enforcement. You naïvely believe that if the findings of the International Court of Justice are enforced unequally, i.e. on just one party, when both parties were found by the same body to have committed war crimes, that the conflict would end. It would not.

You also categorize one party as a perpatrator and the other as a victim, because they are unequally matched opponents. However, once a party commits war crimes, they lose any claim to status as a victim, and are now a participant. If you believe war crimes are categorically wrong, then you do not get to make exceptions.



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Got it. But I don't think you're giving the voters enough credit here. If it's clear that Dems have tried but Republicans have stopped progress, then it will be clear to the voters that Dems everyone needs to vote Dems to gain full control to end this decades long Apartheid.


I do not think you know enough about America and American voters if you believe that to be the case. Democrats are routinely blamed for both not advancing progress, and for not halting Republican efforts to roll-back progress. Democrats are held to paradoxical standards, because they are the only adults in the room, and because Republicans are so unserious, they have trained the electorate to not expect anything from them but corruption. You can literally pick any issue in this country, and voters will find fault with Democrats.


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It is not completely false. The issue is not equal treatment, but unequal enforcement. You naïvely believe that if the findings of the International Court of Justice are enforced unequally, i.e. on just one party, when both parties were found by the same body to have committed war crimes, that the conflict would end. It would not.

You also categorize one party as a perpatrator and the other as a victim, because they are unequally matched opponents. However, once a party commits war crimes, they lose any claim to status as a victim, and are now a participant. If you believe war crimes are categorically wrong, then you do not get to make exceptions.





I do not think you know enough about America and American voters if you believe that to be the case. Democrats are routinely blamed for both not advancing progress, and for not halting Republican efforts to roll-back progress. Democrats are held to paradoxical standards, because they are the only adults in the room, and because Republicans are so unserious, they have trained the electorate to not expect anything from them but corruption. You can literally pick any issue in this country, and voters will find fault with Democrats.
So are you routing for Israel or Palestine?


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Trump gave another Mar-a-Lago press conference where he claimed he's not weird, that Kamala is actually the weird one, that over 100% of jobs created under Biden went to illegal immigrants, that wind power is useless and only kills birds, bald eagles even, that he protected Clinton and didn't say "lock her up", that no on likes Harris and no one knows her last name, that in MI all boys bathrooms have tampons and a slew of other weird lies.

I watched about half and then turned it off, he also had food items spread out on either side of him as props. I suspect it's because Trumpers need the visual aids as they're easily lost and distracted.

Fact check: Trump makes more than 20 false claims at news conference


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So are you routing for Israel or Palestine?


I am not rooting for anyone, because it is not a competition. The goal should be peaceful co-existence, and rhetoric which does not advance that is counter-productive.


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Fair enough.


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