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ROTS Anakin vs TCW Maul and ROTS Dooku
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juggernaut74
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I think the novelisations are all “sorta canon”

Like can probably use them in instances where they dont directly contradict Disney Canon.
That seems like a massive grey area and gets really confusing which is going to lead into huge disagreements.

I don't care either way if they are canon or not but we need an official ruling to be clear.


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That seems like a massive grey area and gets really confusing which is going to lead into huge disagreements.

I don't care either way if they are canon or not but we need an official ruling to be clear.



They are a grey area for sure. If you like things to be black and white then id say ignore them.

However if someone is using a novelisation as supplementary evidence (not their main evidence) then I personally see nothing wrong with that.
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well from a pure canon standpoint, we see Anakin casually taking on multiple Jedi via the Temple security holograms so there's that
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They are a grey area for sure. If you like things to be black and white then id say ignore them.

However if someone is using a novelisation as supplementary evidence (not their main evidence) then I personally see nothing wrong with that.
The post-2014 adult novels and such are still absolutely canon so long as they do not explicitly contradict the films.


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The post-2014 adult novels and such are still absolutely canon so long as they do not explicitly contradict the films.


Taking about the old (pre-TFA) movie novelisations.

Not sure if post 2014 reprints of them count anymore.
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Gotcha. thumb up

I'd *think* the reprints would be canon if they now carry the Disney brand(without the corresponding "Legends" logo), but yeah, I'm honestly not sure where they stand.


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Maul is a non factor here
Dooku dies again


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Amped Anakin killed Dooku pretty quickly, if he's not being retarded I reckon he can take them both.
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Amped Anakin killed Dooku pretty quickly, if he's not being retarded I reckon he can take them both.
Yep. I believe the Jr novel states that they didn't want to make Dooku mad during the fight to amp him because he was already strong enough.


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Yep. I believe the Jr novel states that they didn't want to make Dooku mad during the fight to amp him because he was already strong enough.
That was just Kenobi's musing after Anakin opened with his "my powers have doubled" comment.

But it ultimately didn't matter because Anakin went on to rape Dooku. smile


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That was just Kenobi's musing after Anakin opened with his "my powers have doubled" comment.

But it ultimately didn't matter because Anakin went on to rape Dooku. smile
Yes we've already established Dark Side rage amped Anakin killed Dooku who wasn't rage amped.


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Yes. Dooku was fighting in his capacity as a Sith (like he'd fought everyone else before) and was raped by Anakin in just a few seconds after Anakin momentarily embraced the dark side.

Glad we agree.


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Yes. Dooku was fighting in his capacity as a Sith (like he'd fought everyone else before) and was raped by Anakin in just a few seconds after Anakin momentarily embraced the dark side.

Glad we agree.
Yea I agree Dooku never really tapped into his full Dark Side potential.

He never really used his full ability hence why he never had Sith eyes except once in the Clone Wars but that was a vision or something by Yoda.


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Yes we've already established Dark Side rage amped Anakin killed Dooku who wasn't rage amped.



Who said Anakin was rage amped in a way Dooku was not?

Both used the Dark Side, Anakin was simply the more powerful combatant.
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Who said Anakin was rage amped in a way Dooku was not?

Both used the Dark Side, Anakin was simply the more powerful combatant.
The novel goes into detail on this.

Especially the Jr novel.


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The novel goes into detail on this.

Especially the Jr novel.




He was accessing his anger/rage. But if you are trying to make out that Dooku was at an unfair did advantage due to Anakin using his rage, theres no basis for that.

Anakin simply has access to more rage and innate Force power than Dooku does.
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He was accessing his anger/rage. But if you are trying to make out that Dooku was at an unfair did advantage due to Anakin using his rage, theres no basis for that.

Anakin simply has access to more rage and innate Force power than Dooku does.
I don't believe Dooku was tapping into his rage during that fight.

That's it.


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Dooku was a Sith and was fighting as a Sith. OF COURSE he was accessing the dark side as he normally would lol.

Likewise, Anakin was not "rage amped". He was just allowing himself to consciously embrace the dark side for a moment, which allowed him to rape Dooku easily.

He's the Chosen one ffs. Obviously his ceiling is WAY higher than Dookus.


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^ Yeah plus Anakin seemed to have a ton of innate rage locked up inside him. Hence once he tapped that, Dooku was toast.
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You guys are correct Anakin was using pure rage/hatred in that moment.

However Dooku wasn't tapping into his rage/hatred in that fight. Obi-Wan wanted to make sure they didn't make him mad to the point where he fought with anger which in return would make him stronger.


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