So I find it hard to believe that Goku could even faze Superman, if superman is just written normal. We all know that superman can lift and destroy planets with his strength, but for this post I'll just talk about how he can lift the Earth's moon, instead of going all the way to something like a planet. Now we know Superman has been written to be able to lift the moon for many years, and has stayed that way up until now. As strong as Goku is, he's not even close to being able to lift the moon or even move and the reason why is because Vegeta was shown struggling with 1 kiloton. He was in super sayian form, but can you imagine that him at full power, could then become capable of lift something like the moon? I say that's kind of impossible to imagine, because later when Goku was fighting Gas, Gas was using a large wreking ball to hurt them and he even start controlling a train to run Goku over. Do you know what will happen to a train if it was to hit Superman? It would shatter to pieces, there's no way that train would be able to move superman. I also think that people are underestimating how large the moon is, let alone the earth, which the moon is 8.1 x 10^19 tons. That's 81 novedecillion tons I think. So the moon is VERY big, and to compare it to Earth, here's a photo: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...=hQxse78M_sipsM
It's pretty big right? Have you ever seen Goku come close to lifting that amount? No. He's not that strong. And I know Goku support will just say, h he'll just shoot ki blast", but how much force is being generated that could stop someone like superman? Not that much and we know because Vegeta in super struggle with the kiloton. Which means, most nukes made by man thst could reach 50 something megatons, has enough force to not cause Superman to bat an eye.
How hot is there ki blasts? Can't be that hot if Goku them could destroy the androids or megetton. Megetton, that robot from universe 6 I think, was using lava to kill vegeta, and it was effective. Lava isn't that hot when up against superman, but lava steam was causing Vegeta to sweat. Then we have the freeza destroying earth, and vegeta dying in the explosion. I assume that there ki could shatter rock pretty easily, so Earth, which is made up of mostly rock, would be destroyed by a ki blast easy, but other forms of material like metal, are harder to break. Which is why the androids and Megatron doesn't break as easy. And if there ki blast did have the force of a nuke, Goku them wouldn't be standing from the force of there ki blasts, which going by ssj vegeta struggling with 1 kiloton, would be broken to pieces by a modern day nuke. So nukes > ki blasts. Superman could easy obliterate them with heat vision, which can go beyond the suns temperatures. Cold breath, superman is able to freeze metals to the point that they become easy to break. I doubt Goku or vegeta can take heat vision or cold breath.
Now Speed? Superman on foot as a child was able to run from Kansas to Chicago in under an hour and he's since then has gotten faster. Where does it show Goku being able to move on foot faster than sound? I don't think he has body movement speeds at that level. So superman is faster also.
Given all that I know, I just don't this would be a fair fight between the Dragon ball verse vs comics, but I'm just comparing Superman and no one else.
Worst post I've read. Goku standing up in the center of a black hole gravitational pull piss on lifting a moon. Then he did that when he was weakened, extremely weakened and damaged. Just stop.
The black hole was made by ki, and had no clear weight. I doubt that it was as heavy as a real black hole. He powered up to shoot a Kamehameha wave, it can't be that heavy.
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It was literally mentioned ta have weight, AND light was unable to pass through it. Both said during the scene. Lol... it was a black hole. No way around this.
Here ya go. Weight is mentioned in the beginning. Light being unable to pass through it was mentioned moments after this. Goku couldn't even instant transmission out of it...
You tried to downplay a character and failed. Also, around the same time, Goku was withstanding punches (while weakened) that was warping reality, and he lifted a dimension up over his head as well. This isn't even his best fts. Now go cry.
It was literally a concentrated attack/blackhole that light couldn't pass through, Goku couldn't instant transmission out of/etc... even the writers mentioned it as a black hole that nearly ended Goku due to being weakened.
If the Star Jammers survived a Black Hole, them that is a beastly ft that I will not take from them, just like I won't take Robin ft of surviving a full on blast from the most powerful angry Imp.
Black holes ARE all of that. You're trying to throw comics inconsistencies into Mangas. That's not how this work, Saint. Keep comics where they belong.
You seem to be underestimating how heavy a black hole is then. When it's a black hole, everything around it is absorbed in it. Nothing can escape it. And Goku's Kamehameha wave escaped, not him, which is a clear indication that it's not in his power to move, what ever weight it's at.
Sorry, if you want to compare comics to manga and manga to comics, then we ABSOLUTELY get to use a level playing field. This is a comic forum. Bring manga in here, it gets judged equally.
What Goku did, a powerless human in Marvel/DC could do. That's shown by canon comics, I did not make these comics up, I didn't draw them, I didn't write the text.
It escaped because it went faster than light - the only way to escape a black hole (if you have the durability the withstand the gravitational pull as well).
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Jul 25th, 2024 10:46 AM
h he'll just shoot ki blast", but how much force is being generated that could stop someone like superman? Not that much and we know because Vegeta in super struggle with the kiloton. Which means, most nukes made by man thst could reach 50 something megatons, has enough force to not cause Superman to bat an eye.
