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Water is only wet if you touch it. If you don’t touch it it’s quite dry.
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I think the entire "virtue signalling", SJW, culture war stuff is what is right now killing the right in the US. People feel the right are trying to stop them being good by mocking decency and the anti Trump backlash is a symptom of this. People don't want 4Chan running real life.


You may be surprised.


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You may be surprised.
Let's hope not, huh! We need adults back running the world.

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That eliminates all the SJW type people, so. I agree.


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That makes you a libertarian-right-winger, not a authoritarian-right-winger.


You're not a conservative. You're some flavor of libertarian.


Conservative Libertarianism is a thing. You're probably that.


Edit - Classical Liberalism is also a thing. Check out both of those and see if either of those two match closer with your beliefs.



Sorry, ddd, but libertarians tend to be pro-choice. I am vehemently opposed to abortion. I am a conservative. I agree with libertarians on a lot of things but abortion is not one of them.


I don't know where you get this crazy idea that conservatives are the authoritarians.... that is the Marxist leftists.


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Isn’t the guy with the silly earrings a far-left anarchist?


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Take your f*cking big eared bigotry out of this thread


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Even if what Adam said was true, which it isn't remotely, that still wouldn't make conservatives anarchists. Anarchism doesn't just reject government, it rejects hierarchical systems of any kind.


I did not state that all conservatives are anachists. I stated that anarchy is not ideologically inconsistent with conservatism. These far-right anti-government extremists are evidence of that.


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I think, by definition, the "big" adjective doesn't matter to an anarchist. You're not an anarchist if you want any government, big or small.

Perhaps they would compromise and state that a small efficient and individual-freedom-supporting government is a million times preferable over a large nanny-state. But that's still not what, by their very definition, an anarchist would want.



But we are obviously all talking about pure anarchy, not the various other government systems which are loosely associated with anarchist schools of thought.


Such as Georgism, mutualism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Primitivism, Anarcho-Egoism, and....a shitload of other things that young ignorant people come up with after reading too much 19th Century political science and philosophy summaries (they don't even read the books or the criticisms of those books - they just read they just read the summaries and like the sounds of the ideas and come up with new political ideologies nevermind the historical context for some of the ideas and how almost all fail).
I think you're missing my point.

The average American probably doesn't care about this level of detail to the point where someone hanging an anarchy flag automatically removes them from a political ideology because you don't think they mash together.

Or the fact the average person just probably thinks Anarchy sounds cool or they equate it to just fighting the government.


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I think you're missing my point.

The average American probably doesn't care about this level of detail to the point where someone hanging an anarchy flag automatically removes them from a political ideology because you don't think they mash together.

Or the fact the average person just probably thinks Anarchy sounds cool or they equate it to just fighting the government.
thumb up This is the common sense stance imo.

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I think you're missing my point.

The average American probably doesn't care about this level of detail to the point where someone hanging an anarchy flag automatically removes them from a political ideology because you don't think they mash together.

Or the fact the average person just probably thinks Anarchy sounds cool or they equate it to just fighting the government.



Kind of like the way Socialism gets tossed around. smile


I'm missing the argument though. Are we saying it's ok to call the whack jobs anarchists using the common definition?

Or are we saying anarchism is bad, period, and the naunce doesn't matter?

Because personally, I respect genuine anarchists. I find their beliefs quite compelling, and think the general public has built up a straw man of what they are, which marginalizes them.


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Not sure why the anarchist flag triggered people here.


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Kind of like the way Socialism gets tossed around. smile


I'm missing the argument though. Are we saying it's ok to call the whack jobs anarchists using the common definition?

Or are we saying anarchism is bad, period, and the naunce doesn't matter?

Because personally, I respect genuine anarchists. I find their beliefs quite compelling, and think the general public has built up a straw man of what they are, which marginalizes them.
Yes actually. A lot of conservatives throw around Socialism as a fear mongering tactic because they don't or can't understand the reality of what people like Bernie are actually saying.

Thank you for that fine contribution and tie in smile

It's more that people were trying argue that because the person had an Anarchist flag this somehow was proof they would never support Trump laughing out loud

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Not sure why the anarchist flag triggered people here.
It wasn't triggering. I find it more humorous people were trying to say because there was an Anarchist flag in the background that proves the person wouldn't support Trump.


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Yes actually. A lot of conservatives throw around Socialism as a fear mongering tactic because they don't or can't understand the reality of what people like Bernie are actually saying.

Thank you for that fine contribution and tie in smile

It's more that people were trying argue that because the person had an Anarchist flag this somehow was proof they would never support Trump laughing out loud

It wasn't triggering. I find it more humorous people were trying to say because there was an Anarchist flag in the background that proves the person wouldn't support Trump.
Another 10/10 post, again it's the common sense stance. Socialism, really does provide more safety for more people.

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Yes actually. A lot of conservatives throw around Socialism as a fear mongering tactic because they don't or can't understand the reality of what people like Bernie are actually saying.

Thank you for that fine contribution and tie in smile

It's more that people were trying argue that because the person had an Anarchist flag this somehow was proof they would never support Trump laughing out loud

It wasn't triggering. I find it more humorous people were trying to say because there was an Anarchist flag in the background that proves the person wouldn't support Trump.


It kinda seems like triggering when you ignore that it was one of multiple things pointed out about the guy to show he wasn't a trumper, most importantly that he said he was anti trump, etc.

Yet you chose to focus on the flag for some reason. This is why it comes off as triggering, and you kept harping on about it too. But if you claim you were laughing at a point nobody made(I never said the flag was proof positive of anything), then okay.


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Another 10/10 post, again it's the common sense stance. Socialism, really does provide more safety for more people.


The socialism fear mongering thing reminds me of how the left fear mongers about capitalism because they don't tend to understand it.


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The socialism fear mongering thing reminds me of how the left fear mongers about capitalism because they don't tend to understand it.
For me, fear of the right for the working man in my own country the UK is some what different to your own. The labour party was created by the Unions to give the people a political voice. Prior to that our two parties had been much more right wing like your own and indeed what they did was amazing, however, far left figures who had goals which I'm not sure translate well across the Atlantic went too far from the sixties to the mid eighties and Thatcher was the backlash. The South of the UK with the exception of Kent will never really understand how the dismantling of manufacturing affected the North and non Military areas will never understand what happened to Plymouth, Portsmouth and Gosport. In the end the Thatcher Government lurched too far right with the poll tax and anti gay legislation, leading to Blairs neo liberalism. Blair in turn ****ed up getting in bed with Bush and then the crash happened leading to a lurch to the right again helped by Trump and a rise in popularism, partially hanging over from the Gulf war; but, 000like in the US a backlash to that is taking place. Socialism particularly till the mid late sixties was a driving force for positive change in the UK.

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Yes actually. A lot of conservatives throw around Socialism as a fear mongering tactic because they don't or can't understand the reality of what people like Bernie are actually saying.

Thank you for that fine contribution and tie in smile

It's more that people were trying argue that because the person had an Anarchist flag this somehow was proof they would never support Trump laughing out loud

It wasn't triggering. I find it more humorous people were trying to say because there was an Anarchist flag in the background that proves the person wouldn't support Trump.



LOL. Socialism has a long history of failure. It is not fear mongering to state facts, snowflake.

Socialism sucks no matter how much you try to downplay the dangers of it.

You wanna talk about fear mongering? That is what the lying media does on a daily basis by overhyping this Covid virus with their misleading death doubt numbers when Covid in actuality is not very deadly at all.

I would be much more worried about dying from the common flu than dying from covid.


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The socialism fear mongering thing reminds me of how the left fear mongers about capitalism because they don't tend to understand it.



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Yes, they confuse crony capitalism with true free market capitalism.


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LOL. Socialism has a long history of failure. It is not fear mongering to state facts, snowflake.

Socialism sucks no matter how much you try to downplay the dangers of it.

You wanna talk about fear mongering? That is what the lying media does on a daily basis by overhyping this Covid virus with their misleading death doubt numbers when Covid in actuality is not very deadly at all.

I would be much more worried about dying from the common flu than dying from covid.
If you want to be fair Capitalism also has a long history of failure. It just tends to happen on the individual level more than the country level. Even though the pain points can spread to the entire country.

And for the big time failures of capitalism it is often the government that has to step in to fix it. Like the coal mine problems of the last century.


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