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They have passed multiple deadlines already with this. I hope this is the one that has consequences, and we get to see how badly Boris Johnson and his sycophants have ****ed themselves & the country for specious reasons.


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The consensus for quite some time is that Biden will be less inclined to push for a US/UK trade deal than Trump, thus putting pressure on Johnson to give consessions to the EU to get a deal.

This is already happening with Dominic Cummings being sacked.

Johnson was relying on a US deal happening quickly to offset a no deal with the EU. Now he won't get either.
Does that mean stronger relations with the commonwealth over a US centre based trade deal? Because that's what I've wanted from the beginning! Canada style deal baby! This is actually really good as we'll have stronger ties with USA and the commonwealth as well as maintaining trade with the EU.


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I see a couple potential problems with that, for one it is not clear whether commonwealth countries want to have a stronger relationship with the UK, and if they do that would likely include more rights to immigration (from Jamaica, Cameroon and India), which I would suspect is not what a lot of Brexit voting Brits want.

The other problem I see is the relatively weak position the UK is negotiating from, it's not really on the top of the list for most countries, like Jaden said particularly with a Biden presidency, and when the countries want to negotiate a trade deal they will want to get the one most beneficial to them, which will be easier from the weaker position the UK finds itself in.

An example is the recent trade deal that the UK negotiated with Japan. Which might be most accurately described as the "the UK can have the EU's sloppy seconds, if there's any left deal". It's not a great situation economically, imo.

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Does that mean stronger relations with the commonwealth over a US centre based trade deal? Because that's what I've wanted from the beginning! Canada style deal baby! This is actually really good as we'll have stronger ties with USA and the commonwealth as well as maintaining trade with the EU.


No. Because they've done nothing to pursue that.

And a "Canada style deal" means a deal with the EU similar to the deal Canada has with the EU. Not a deal with Canada similar to what the EU has.


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I see a couple potential problems with that, for one it is not clear whether commonwealth countries want to have a stronger relationship with the UK, and if they do that would likely include more rights to immigration (from Jamaica, Cameroon and India), which I would suspect is not what a lot of Brexit voting Brits want.
We already have a lot of Jamaican, Indian and Nigerian immigration (not sure about Cameroon) in Britain and most Brits, including the Brexiteers are okay with that.

Here's a Brexiteer I listen to a lot and have subbed to him for a long time. He's not white, which I think was your overall point.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...unak_crop_2.jpg Our Chancellor of the Exchequer.

https://e3.365dm.com/20/11/1600x900...?20201103165017 Our home secratary.

We're quite a diverse and tolerant people, it's not like the 70s anymore. There are white people who live in those countries too.

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The other problem I see is the relatively weak position the UK is negotiating from, it's not really on the top of the list for most countries, like Jaden said particularly with a Biden presidency, and when the countries want to negotiate a trade deal they will want to get the one most beneficial to them, which will be easier from the weaker position the UK finds itself in.

An example is the recent trade deal that the UK negotiated with Japan. Which might be most accurately described as the "the UK can have the EU's sloppy seconds, if there's any left deal". It's not a great situation economically, imo.


In the video I posted in the OP, Biden went to Johnson first. We're no1 on his list.


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Side note A:
I'd like to know how Canada, Australia and NZ feel about this. Since the 80s they've had less and less trade with the UK and more with the US. The US is the biggest influence on them culturally too as can be seen in their media. Watch a NZ or Australian film from the 70s or 80s, and it looks like a classic British heist/drinking/bond film. Watch one after the millennium, it's another westerner/road movie.

Side note B:
When I walk into shops, most of the products are in foreign languages, I can't even read them! I once asked for soap, the guy showed me soup! When I went to Spain a few years ago, a Dutch person was amazed I was English and all the locals loved the fact an English couple would visit Barcelona (we're not together anymore) and American English is taught in more countries than British English. We only have the commonwealth countries and even they do more trade with the US.

The truth is, Britain is no longer as influential as it once was ever since we made the EU our biggest trader. I think the Lisbon treaty made it so Europe would not get involved if the Biritsh government decide to hold a referendum. I guess they thought we'd vote Remain. Showed them!


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Farage is going full attack mode. I'm not actually that comfortable with some of the words he used, but we'll see soon enough what Johnson can do.


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Still no f'ing deal.


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Classic Boris.


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Classic Boris.
I'm worried. I can't see an alternative.


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I'm worried. I can't see an alternative.


I don't either. It would be easy to be snarky and say "I told you so", but tbh, Johnson, Farrage (sp?) et all have ****ing screwed everyone, and they knew exactly what they were doing. And now they're trying to gaslight the British public by claiming they never said they would have a deal in place.


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I see a couple potential problems with that, for one it is not clear whether commonwealth countries want to have a stronger relationship with the UK, and if they do that would likely include more rights to immigration (from Jamaica, Cameroon and India), which I would suspect is not what a lot of Brexit voting Brits want.

The other problem I see is the relatively weak position the UK is negotiating from, it's not really on the top of the list for most countries, like Jaden said particularly with a Biden presidency, and when the countries want to negotiate a trade deal they will want to get the one most beneficial to them, which will be easier from the weaker position the UK finds itself in.

An example is the recent trade deal that the UK negotiated with Japan. Which might be most accurately described as the "the UK can have the EU's sloppy seconds, if there's any left deal". It's not a great situation economically, imo.
First paragraph is wrong. Canadians, Australians, New Zealeanders, Jamacians, Trinidad and Tobagans, Bermudans, Easter Islanders, Malaysians, Honk Kone-ese, ------------- I could go on. I think we all get the point.

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I don't either. It would be easy to be snarky and say "I told you so", but tbh, Johnson, Farrage (sp?) et all have ****ing screwed everyone, and they knew exactly what they were doing. And now they're trying to gaslight the British public by claiming they never said they would have a deal in place.
They probs just gambled on Trump. erm I wish that wasn't the case.


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Still no f'ing deal.


There was never any chance of a deal.

This video explained why perfectly and this was when Theresa May was Prime Minister. The UK government have hardened their position under Boris Johnson.



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As I understood it, there were 5 different ways.

1. No brexit.
2. Light brexit similar to Norway
3. Chequers union, May's idea
4. Canada style Brexit so we're close to their deal with the EU. (What I wanted)
5. No deal with the EU.

I guess we're going with a no deal. sad ffs.


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1. Too late. Already in the transition period.

2. Impossible given that Norway has freedom of movement etc as per the video I posted

3. No idea what that is.

4. The Canada/EU deal took almost a decade to agree and sign. The UK has 3 weeks.

5. That's what it will be


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1. Too late. Already in the transition period.

2. Impossible given that Norway has freedom of movement etc as per the video I posted

3. No idea what that is.

4. The Canada/EU deal took almost a decade to agree and sign. The UK has 3 weeks.

5. That's what it will be
3 was a compromise, mostly between NI, ROI and GB in creating a water boundary between Ireland and Great Britain. Long story short, it didn't work out. erm


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Ah yeah. That nonsense border in the sea that would never work.


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It never would've.erm


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My hopes are we could stabilise a water boundary and be stronger on immigration yet still doing trade with the commonwealth, USA, east Asian countries, south Asian countries and the EU. Having said that, we're still gonna take British waters for ourselves. FU.


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"Hambach presented us with a unique opportunity that we simply could not ignore: to buy a modern automotive manufacturing facility with a world-class workforce," Ratcliffe said in a statement.

That honestly reads like an onion piece. I feel bad for many people in the UK. The automotive manufacturing industry was such a big portion of the low-skilled labor, and was a massive contribution to GDP. The uncertainty of Brexit has gutted the industry, and will probably hurt the people who voted for Brexit the most. Even white-collar jobs in finance have been hurt (Declining in posting and capital outflow).


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