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How much do you guys think aquaman can lift, 100 tons or 1000 tons or another number?

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Aquaman got knocked out for a 10 count by a grenade launcher and doesn't have the feats to match Thor's destructive output.


He also laughed off falling through a 6 story building and a laser that destroyed a small island. The grenade is lowballing him

And him lifting a submarine is still a better strength feat than anything thor has done without his ragnorok upgrade

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He also laughed off falling through a 6 story building and a laser that destroyed a small island. The grenade is lowballing him

And him lifting a submarine is still a better strength feat than anything thor has done without his ragnorok upgrade


Taking a grenade point blank to the chest will destroy the human body much more thoroughly than crashing 6 stories (through a bunch of broken floors) will. That laser blast scorched and hurt Aquaman.

As for lifting the submarine, that was definitely an impressive feat, but let's not forget that was underwater. Still, you're right that it's a better lifting feat than Thor has but this is not a lifting competition. What kind of attacks does Aquaman have to match Thor’s destructive output?


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Lifting it underwater makes it more impressive. Plus he got beat up by the kraken for a solid few minutes.

Considering loki, who is much weaker than aquaman, was able to stab pre ragnorok thor with his tiny knife, I think aquaman's big fork will be enough

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The Nidavelir rings feat pretty easily shits on Arthur's submarine feat.


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The one he did after the ragnorok upgrade and had a rocket helping with?

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The ship only helped him in the sense that it gave him something to apply his strength against


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When thor initially threw the ship, the rings did not move. It was the rocket that pulled them. Impressive group strength, but it wasn't thor who moved the rings

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Lifting it underwater makes it more impressive. Plus he got beat up by the kraken for a solid few minutes.

Considering loki, who is much weaker than aquaman, was able to stab pre ragnorok thor with his tiny knife, I think aquaman's big fork will be enough


Objects "weigh" less in water due to buoyancy. Aquaman also has a torpedo-like propulsion under water which he used to push the submarine. He's unable to do that outside water, which means he clearly gets some sort of amp underwater.

There was no proof that Thor got a physical strength upgrade after Ragnarok, as the only thing that happened is that his lightning powers were fully unlocked. So I'm not sure why you keep disregarding the Nidavellir feat.

And if you think Aquaman is skilled enough to stab Thor with his pitchfork before he gets smashed in the face with Mjolnir, then you need to rewatch those movies.


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But water provides resistance so moving stuff underwater is much more difficult. And the propulsion comes from kicking their feetsies with super strength. Why you think he can't lift a submarine out of water. Dude briefly held off superman.

Before ragnorok upgrade, thor was a little weaker than hulk. With it he was kicking hulk's butt. Ergo, pre ragnorok thor was significantly weaker.

What makes you think aquaman is less skilled than Thor? Both took out several nooks at once. Both defeated skilled opponents. You can argue thor has more experience being older, but that doesn't necessarily mean more skilled

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The Nidavelir rings feat pretty easily shits on Arthur's submarine feat.
No they don't. The rings were stuck because of the ice. The rings were applying a force along with Thor. What if Thor needed only to apply 50 tons of force or less to HELP break the ice?


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Objects "weigh" less in water due to buoyancy. Aquaman also has a torpedo-like propulsion under water which he used to push the submarine. He's unable to do that outside water, which means he clearly gets some sort of amp underwater.

There was no proof that Thor got a physical strength upgrade after Ragnarok, as the only thing that happened is that his lightning powers were fully unlocked. So I'm not sure why you keep disregarding the Nidavellir feat.

And if you think Aquaman is skilled enough to stab Thor with his pitchfork before he gets smashed in the face with Mjolnir, then you need to rewatch those movies.
The drag force in water is more than 800 times that in air. Plus the force required to overpower inertia (F =MA). Just moving the submarine with that speed is beyond imagination in the level of force.

F > 1000v^2 + MA + weight


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No they don't. The rings were stuck because of the ice. The rings were applying a force along with Thor. What if Thor needed only to apply 50 tons of force or less to HELP break the ice?


What if Thor needed to apply 938 quadrillion tons of force?


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What if Thor needed to apply 938 quadrillion tons of force?
Then he was applying 938 quadrillion tons of force.

I'm sure you know the point. We can't quantify, to any degree of accuracy, the amount of force Thor applied since we don't know both how much force the rings were applying and the strength of the ice.


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Same is true for Aquaman and Wonder Woman's feats.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Except we can with the submarine, as he was to only one applying force. For the ring feat, we have thor + a rocket + the rings(maybe). It could have been 90% thor and 10% rocket. Or it could have been 2% thor and 90% rocket and 8% rings. All we know is thor couldn't do it alone.
The submarine, however, is 100% aquaman

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Same is true for Aquaman and Wonder Woman's feats.
Some of their feats can be quantified to a certain degree of accuracy. Most importantly, it is about whether we can PROVE a lower bound for a feat (prove that a feat exceeds a certain amount).

For example, it can be proven that WW lifted more than 10 tons in her tank feat. Therefore 9tons is a lower bound and we can use 9 tons to argue her minimum strength in a forum.

In general, Any amount that can be proven is less than the actual amount is a lower bound. For example, If I can prove 1000 tons is less than the actual amount then 1000 tons can be used as a lower bound as argued for a character's minimum strength.

This is how we quantify feats (with lower bounds).


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"Certain degree of accuracy"

Translation: They can't actually be quantified. but you'll handwave it because it helps your side.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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"Certain degree of accuracy"

Translation: They can't actually be quantified. but you'll handwave it because it helps your side.
You are moving the goalposts. The argument is about accuracy, not exactness.

But all that is irrelevant in light of the lower bound rule I gave.


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Nope, using the same "h1" standards for both. if you can't accurately quantify the feats, they can't be used.


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