__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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Water resistance does make things a bit more difficult to move but it's nothing compared to the weight of the submarine. In other words, I've personally tried dragging/pulling a 300 pound man through the water but I definitely could not lift a 300 pound man on land.
Now the submarine was not floating at the top of the water but it wasn't completely sunk to the bottom, which means buoyancy was lifting a good portion of it's weight. Whatever water resistance was present when Aquaman pushed that submarine is extremely minimal when compared to the weight that buoyancy was counteracting.
As for Thor, he never fought Hulk after his upgrade. He fought Hulk twice, once in Avengers and once in Ragnarok BEFORE his powers were fully unlocked. Ergo, it's the same Thor without an upgrade. The most you can argue is that he's a bit more experienced.
Now when it comes to skill, Thor has fought and defeated higher caliber opponents than Aquaman and in less ideal circumstances. That makes him more skilled.
Water resistance is huge considering the surface area of the sub, especially since he lifted it straight up. Overcoming the drag at that speed is way more impressive than if he just lifted it on land.
He fought hulk in avengers 1, and was losing until he summoned mjonir, and in ragnorok , where he was losing until he turned on god mode. Both times his strength alone was not enough to beat hulk.
Has he though? He beat loki in thor and avengers, and the dark elf guy whose name escapes me. Neither, I would argue, is as impressive as ocean master. Aquaman has the disadvantage of only being in 2 movies, but he was really impressive in those 2
Not true at all. Drag from water resistance is also based on velocity. And Aquaman is pushing the sub pretty damn fast. I would expect that the drag was far greater than the force of buoyancy making the feat for more impressive than if he just lifted it on land.
I'm not completely disregarding your points, it would be nice to get some numbers so we can see if the drag is more than the buoyancy. Still, overcoming that drag due to speed isn't quite as difficult for him since, as I mentioned, underwater he's able to launch himself at torpedo-like speeds so he clearly gets a huge speed boost underwater.
I rewatched the scenes where he was swimming, he wasn't moving his feet when he did that torpedo-swimming thing. And that's what he used to push the submarine to the surface. He doesn't have this power while on land, so it's not quite that transferrable to this match unless this takes place underwater.
As for Thor and Hulk, I think you're getting off track now. Originally you claimed Thor's upgrade also increased his strength and used his fight against Hulk to back it up. I pointed out that he never fought Hulk post upgrade. Are you willing to retract your statement now about his strength upgrade?
Thor beat Loki twice, beat Surtur, beat the Destroyer, outfought Hela in the throne room but lost due to her healing factor, managed to give Hulk a good fight despite being weaker than Hulk, was beating up Ironman before they were interrupted, has easily taken out various superpowered fodder like frost giants, dark elves, Surtur's minions, etc.
Now let's get to Aquaman. The fodder he easily takes out were usually massively weaker than him like human pirates or parademons. When Aquaman fought superpowered fodder like other Atlanteans, he couldn't quite steamroll them like Thor did frost giants stuff. He only ever fought two opponents who were stronger than him who were Superman and Steppenwolf, and he failed to give as good a showing against those opponents as compared to how Thor fought stronger opponents like Hulk, Hela, Malekith w/ Infinity stone, etc. Aquaman fought his brother twice but only won once (whereas Thor beats his brother everytime they fight).
Then by all means, accurately quantify Aquaman's feat.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
We see in the flashback that aquaman does the propulsion thing by doing a big kick that sends him rocketing in the water. If he wasn't kicking for the submarine, that means he did it with just one kick. Which is more impressive.
Thor was losing to hulk. turned on his god mode, then started beating hulk. I don't know how you can argue he wasn't stronger when using it? He literally upgraded mid fight.
Surtur is impressive, but surtur was also losing to hulk, so....I wouldn't say loki or the frost giants were particularly impressive since SIF and loki were taking them down...with small daggers.
I think you're downplaying aquaman's fodder. Every atlantean is roughly as strong as he is. Heck, even a no name cop was able to beat him down. By the end of the movie, aquaman was taking out several at once. Plus black manta, who had an atlantean war suit with lasers that could destroy islands. If you want to bring up aquaman not doing great against Clark or stepp, I would like to remind you thanos, with no stones, humiliated thor in infinity war, and kurse as well. Superman is the strongest being in the DC verse currently.
So what you're saying is that, with a single kick of Aquaman's legs while under water, he was so strong that this was able to propel him with enough force to push that submarine hundreds of meters up towards the surface? That with a single kick of his legs he was able to push, according to your video link, 579,283 tons of force?
Well sh!t dude, with strength like that I guess Aquaman would solo the entire Avengers and Justice League roster on his own. Heck, he must have been holding back something fierce to not simply turn Steppenwolf to paste with a single punch. You've convinced me, Aquaman is now physically the strongest comic movie character we've seen.
As for Thor, he turned on his "god-mode" by activating his lightning and blasting Hulk with it. I fail to see how this amped his strength like you claimed earlier.
And sure, if you want to ignore the fact that Thor was completely out of shape when he fought Thanos go for it. That's obviously not lowballing or anything right? Definitely the same thing as Aquaman being in his physical prime.
I also seem to recall Thor being made the equal of a human in the first Thor movie. He didn't seem to struggle with the SHIELD agents as much as Aquaman struggled against the Atlanteans but whatever. Guess every Atlantean is roughly strong enough easily push 579,283 tons with but a single kick of their legs so they're clearly much tougher opponents.
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