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[Holiday Tourney - Semi-Finals] Damborgson vs Bentley


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Damborg:
- Nimrod
- Emma Frost
- Pitt

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Bentley:
- Coldcast
- Quicksilver
- Abomination

Rules:
No Prep
Standard distance [0.5km]
No BFR
No CIS/posters in control
Battlefield will be a merger of non-populated DC/Marvel Earth


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Damborg:

Setting up the repertoire
Let’s go boys.

Good luck Bentley, nothing but respect on my part.

It starts bad and only gets worse.

Bently’s team is strong for sure, a good amount of speed, a good amount of physical strength with abomination, and a nice selection of raw energy attacks with Cold Cast.
But my opponent is severely, severely outmatched.
First off, the Nimrod unit that comprises my character is basically the doomsday of low herald tier.
His whole thing is scanning and adapting:

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Previously nightcrawler was able to damage the Nimrod unit because he caught him off guard, but after having seen it in only one battle, Nimrod can now react to teleportation based attacks, reacting so quickly that he actually outdid teleportation.
Similarly, Nimrod can adapt mid fight as well. when standard force wasn’t working against Juggernaut, Nimrod switched to something that would work and just levitated him into the air:

https://justpaste.it/img/b82272189f...5ef9ffdb517.jpg

And hit him so hard he thought only the Hulk could do that.

I bring up these examples because one Nimrod has experienced something, he can’t really be harmed by it again as his body now has countermeasures for it.

So during my minute of prep time, I activate my reflective force fields.
Nimrod’s force fields can reflect energy attacks, intangible attacks and physical attacks:

Energy:
https://justpaste.it/img/462a9897b1...4196f0f1f5b.jpg
https://justpaste.it/img/dfcc941aa4...e9a0b1ce089.jpg
physical:
https://justpaste.it/img/89e4e17430...545939e62c8.jpg
intangible:
https://justpaste.it/img/8d21e6d08a...9bb7614b471.jpg

Touching them produces massive reflective damage so intense, that it rattled Wolverine into a KO with one hit.
So safe to say, I turn on my shields that can stop both your physical attack and your energy attack.
Next, I get ready to wipe your mind away.

Sorry, but none of your characters have sufficient mental resistance to deal with what’s coming, truly a powerful two pronged attack.
Emma Frost can black Xavier from even using his power:

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How simple do you think it would be for me to block you from using your basic motor functions? Idk, ask wolverine:
https://justpaste.it/img/c598b9c194...ee49bb43b3e.jpg

Who was instantly reduced to a scared child by Emma.

And if single person mind attacks are not impressive, Emma can do it on a global scale of course, casually:
https://justpaste.it/img/997d34abe5...c98aacf35d0.jpg
https://justpaste.it/img/02f123736d...0b9ca1d20d5.jpg

Emma simultaneously reaches into the mind of every mutant on the planet. I’m fairly certain she can reach into the mind of the relatively featless psychic amalgam of characters before me.
/shrug. Just common sense really.

So I will be waiting for the instant we start with shields up and scanning the battlefield, which will result in an instantaneous mind shut down.

HOWEVER, it’s not the only way you’re going to get attacked, because I did mention a second prong didn’t I?

In the unlucky case that you prolong the damage by somehow fighting an aggressive mind invasion that even Xavier cannot fully contend with, you’ll find that the Nimrod unit has the ability to bypass durability entirely, both physical and mental:
https://justpaste.it/img/8d21e6d08a...9bb7614b471.jpg
https://justpaste.it/img/4420c2cf4b...d4169d7c621.jpg

That attack stops your synapse from firing, effectively rendering you a dead man.

And it worked on Juggernaut, where it specifically mentions to bypass his mental defenses, and his physical durability could do nothing against it as well.

Then you have to deal with Pitt...

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That is a fully powered up Invincible clone, basically a discount Krptonian.

Let's move on.

The Fight
Fight starts and Emma Frost Mind wipes your entire team. The only character you have that is possibly going to cover the distance in time to try and interrupt Frost will be savagely countered by Nimrod who as I posted earlier can react to teleportation and will be able to reach Emma before you do.Then you'll have to deal with Pitt, who would be able to physically contend with both of your characters even if they weren't drooling messes on the floor.

So while Emma attacks the mind of 3 people when she's proven she can casually interact with thousands of minds at once on a global scale nigh instantly, Nimrod makes sure she doesn't get tagged by shield and having teleportation abilities to counter and speed attack. He can also use his synapse blocking attacks for which your characters also do not have an adequate counter. Or any counter really...

If you decided not to attack Emma first, you've lost the fight, but just to show that even if by some miracle you manage to damage Nimrod:

It can repair damage nigh instantaneously:
https://justpaste.it/img/80f6df0f5a...1b74c7d87fe.jpg
And It can teleport as well:
https://justpaste.it/img/185b5a298b...36b2e15001d.jpg

Leading to more of the same abuse I mentioned earlier.


GG.
/salute


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Bentley:

After giving my opponent a false sense of security by writting a full write up for an amalgam tournament he'll now find out that my plan is even more fearsome now that I don't have to fear Pitt with t its.

Let's go.


Speed Kills

Quicksilver is my wildcard here because none of my opponents is a speedster in anyway that is relevant to us. I'm quite capable of closing distance in a fraction of a second before they ever get to mount any decent thought, let alone a defensive or offensive manouver.

I'm afterall faster than the speed of thought:

https://imgur.com/HoOi5st

I can outrun a bullet:

https://justpaste.it/img/d005d52b25...630c1b76e4a.jpg

My opponents need to get a lock on us to even start to make this a fight and I won't let them that chance.


My gun is bigger

Coldcast's claim to fame is casually incapacitating Superman from an extended period of time. Messing up with his perceptions by rigging his electrons:

https://imgur.com/fs5zoZo

https://imgur.com/AMLPWvU

https://imgur.com/IwpFqZd

Please notice how messed up Kal's perceptions are: his resistance to manipulation and his senses are well above what anyone else in the field can muster.

This is a surefire kill and I'll be aiming that shot towards Nimrod as soon as the bell rings. But I'll immediatelly follow it up with a EMP blast to get rid of whatever consciousness he manages to retain after the initial onslaught.

https://imgur.com/8LnBMx3

During this time Abomination will just get to Pitt aggressively and overpower him like he did with Wonderman here:

https://justpaste.it/img/cd5cd39b94...00a7bc9b1c4.jpg

We will play it flexible here, but the idea is to break Pitt, send him next to Nimrod so I can obliterate them with a single blast like the one Coldcast used to obliterate Superman:

https://imgur.com/ns3cmdK

They are not surviving that.

What about Emma? Quicksilver twisted her neck before she even realized the fight she was into.

Now, maybe you are wondering if Nimrod can somehow can rebuild himself after being erased as such (he can't). Let's remember his adaptability is not a plot power in this battle, he won't be doing no-limits stuff, we'll judge him based on what he has done in the past, like having trouble to heal because of the Mighty Mercury:

https://justpaste.it/img/c73db3d5d5...092cec117e6.png

Overall I feel my chances are good and my powersets will overpower my opponent's. This is the luck of the draw since this could've gotten way messier if there was any prep time but I'm confident in the ability of my guys to pull this off cleanly even if we're not amalgamated lol


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Reminder for judges: there is no prep (not even 1 min). Every action is done after the bell rings and match starts.


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Originally posted by Philosophía
Bentley:

After giving my opponent a false sense of security by writting a full write up for an amalgam tournament he'll now find out that my plan is even more fearsome now that I don't have to fear Pitt with t its.

Let's go.


Speed Kills

Quicksilver is my wildcard here because none of my opponents is a speedster in anyway that is relevant to us. I'm quite capable of closing distance in a fraction of a second before they ever get to mount any decent thought, let alone a defensive or offensive manouver.

I'm afterall faster than the speed of thought:

https://imgur.com/HoOi5st

I can outrun a bullet:

https://justpaste.it/img/d005d52b25...630c1b76e4a.jpg

My opponents need to get a lock on us to even start to make this a fight and I won't let them that chance.


My gun is bigger

Coldcast's claim to fame is casually incapacitating Superman from an extended period of time. Messing up with his perceptions by rigging his electrons:

https://imgur.com/fs5zoZo

https://imgur.com/AMLPWvU

https://imgur.com/IwpFqZd

Please notice how messed up Kal's perceptions are: his resistance to manipulation and his senses are well above what anyone else in the field can muster.

This is a surefire kill and I'll be aiming that shot towards Nimrod as soon as the bell rings. But I'll immediatelly follow it up with a EMP blast to get rid of whatever consciousness he manages to retain after the initial onslaught.

https://imgur.com/8LnBMx3

During this time Abomination will just get to Pitt aggressively and overpower him like he did with Wonderman here:

https://justpaste.it/img/cd5cd39b94...00a7bc9b1c4.jpg

We will play it flexible here, but the idea is to break Pitt, send him next to Nimrod so I can obliterate them with a single blast like the one Coldcast used to obliterate Superman:

https://imgur.com/ns3cmdK

They are not surviving that.

What about Emma? Quicksilver twisted her neck before she even realized the fight she was into.

Now, maybe you are wondering if Nimrod can somehow can rebuild himself after being erased as such (he can't). Let's remember his adaptability is not a plot power in this battle, he won't be doing no-limits stuff, we'll judge him based on what he has done in the past, like having trouble to heal because of the Mighty Mercury:

https://justpaste.it/img/c73db3d5d5...092cec117e6.png

Overall I feel my chances are good and my powersets will overpower my opponent's. This is the luck of the draw since this could've gotten way messier if there was any prep time but I'm confident in the ability of my guys to pull this off cleanly even if we're not amalgamated lol


Pitt with t itts laughing out loud

I thought it was Amalgam myself sort of so we're in the same boat.

That said, back to the beating. >smile

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As expected, we went for an attack on Emma, eh?

That's not good, not good at all. Because in attacking Emma, you ran right into Nimrod, who I specified would go to Emma's position, with teleportation countering reflexes and stop that attack right in its tracks.

All Emma needs is the instant the match starts, and your entire team is getting wasted. Let's not forget that Emma can reach every mutant on the planet, all at once within an instant.

Why would she not be able to reach QS? Well, she would. And everyone else on your team who is not particularly resistant to any form of telepathy, let alone, Emma, I can block Xavier, Frost.

And here's the kicker, I don't need to speculate whether or not Emma can catch a blitzing Quicksilver, I just need to post the scans:

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So we have an on record account of exactly how this fight would go, and Emma was able to incapacitate QS along with Cyclops and Pym just by thinking about it.

Fighting a telepath is a ***** if you don't have the defenses to do something about, and that is the case here sadly...

so for the rest of your post....


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Oof, you attacked into Nimrod.

I want to take this time to bring up that Nimrod, once exposed to an attack, will have a countermeasure already in place for it.

That is his ability, to adapt.

Here are some examples:

https://i.imgur.com/ODD0x7A.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JGJu2WI.jpg

When facing a unique creature like Shaw, within moments scans and figures out the best solution to dispatch him, by reversing his gravimetric polarity. Instantly.

Next:https://i.imgur.com/TdSsleh.jpg

Rogue's maneuvering was an issue, so he casts an attack directly ontop of her, his shocknet renders her incapacitated.

Teleportation: Saw it once, and can react to it instantly:

https://imgur.com/370f0edd-a90a-416d-9561-03dce5858063

phasing: scanned and countered:

https://justpaste.it/img/8d21e6d08a...9bb7614b471.jpg

Unique energies:

https://justpaste.it/img/462a9897b1...4196f0f1f5b.jpg
https://justpaste.it/img/dfcc941aa4...e9a0b1ce089.jpg

Reflected and countered.

Literally the sharpest form of physical damage possible:

https://justpaste.it/img/89e4e17430...545939e62c8.jpg

countered.

Now tell me, what energy form does Coldcast use?

https://i.imgur.com/NhZjAAz.jpg

Electromagnetic huh?

Well that's unique...

If only Nimrod had faced it before.


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Consider it Coldcasts entire powerset reflected and countered.


So that's the end of that.


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Bentley's 2nd Post

Now that the strategies have been laid down and after analyzing Damborg's gameplay I find it... Inadequate. He has indeed a way to counter Nightcrawler's teleportation... Which I'm not using? Then he uses shields that have no feats against electron manipulation and claims Nimrod will somehow be able to protect Emma despite having no prep? Many powers are in display but these defenses don't match the kind of offensive I'm using here.

I believe Damborg is pushing the idea that reverting Nightcrawler's teleportation means Nimrod's reflexes are somehow instantaneous. But what we see here is Kurt teleporting and making it close to Nimrod and then flames hitting Kurt, affecting him through the process of teleporting again to bust one of Nimrod's arms. Nimrod did manage to hit Kurt after he teleported, but he was expecting teleportation and just had to outreact Kurt's second teleportation using a countermeasure he had prepped in advance. Kurt teleporting towards Nimrod was achieved before the robot had his flames on, which goes to prove he actually didn't react instantaneously. Let alone the fact that Damborg decided Nimrod to first shield itself before trying to protect Emma wasting precious time.

But the thing to keep is mind is that a counter-measure against teleporting is just that. I would use a counter-measure against time-manipulation and pretend it would work against super-speed, I don't see how this ability make Nimrod effective against superhuman reflexes and agility.

Then we have Nimrod vs Juggernaut which pretty much implies Nimrod sucks at protecting people:
https://justpaste.it/img/8ba133e2e1...dc59c56267.jpg

The sentinel is adaptable and sturdy but it has no experience protecting others and it's the only line of defense keeping Emma for getting her neck snapped. And honestly I'm not seeing anything that suggests he's a major obstacle.

After Emma's neck is snapped Quicksilver will circle the area at a safe distance circling the area while building up speed to unleash a whirlwind. We will succesfully incapacitate Nimrod by manipulating him and blasting then him with my Superman busting blast and we'll take out Pitt with it if possible, otherwise Coldcast will just shield and levitate to recover his energy while Pietro scatters around all the particles after the blast with his whirlwind. Abomination is able to handle Pitt for an extended period of time since he has succesfully fought Hulk for hours in the past:

https://justpaste.it/img/6d33f94086...154ac3d0751.jpg
https://justpaste.it/img/ad10427568...1ca6a3444da.jpg

Once enough power is gathered Coldcast will against stop the electrons of Pitt and burn him down.

Nimrod's shields that resist energy are identifying the power that is used against them in order to reflect them:

https://justpaste.it/img/411a2db094...b0843e90cdc.jpg
https://justpaste.it/img/789079d22a...57eb90da9be.jpg

That is only possible because Nimrod experienced the same type of attack already, and my electron manipulation is not something he has faced before and it'll shut down his shield leaving him vulnerable against my EMP and my subsequent Superman destroyer. My attack will be immediate, fast and relentless while Nimrod is wasting time trying to defend with inadequate tools and being too late to protect Emma.

Bottomline: I'm faster, more powerful and more focused from the get to go. That gives me the win


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Damborg final post:

Finale...



So I won't spend too much time on my final post, I'll just bring up some very important points that I don't want to be glossed over.

I've posted my scans, I've done my arguing, and i'll emphasize what we're dealing with here.

There was some limited teamwork on Bently's part. He tried pairing off characters:

Abomination vs Pitt

Coldcast vs Nimrod

Emma vs QS

and winning individual battles, which you can see in his OP and his rebuttal.

I on the other hand, his Nimrod support Emma's mental attack with synapse blocking, and a tangible defense against blitzing Emma as Nimrod protects her, while Pitt makes sure no one leaves with their head attached after it's been wiped of all functioning and prevented from even firing a single synapse.

I then provided scans of Emma outiright mentally freezing quicksilver.



With multiple other mutants no less



and as stated by Bently himself, Nimrod functions better when he's already been exposed to an energy he's being attacked with, which he has. Coldcast used Electromagnetic attacks, which Nimrod was exposed to and countered when he fought Magneto.

So my strategies are there, they work, they've been proven.


Thanks for reading everyone, sorry for the delays Bently.

I'm not usually this busy...


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Bentley's final post:

I have been having a blast and I hope the judges and Damborg are having a good tournament too. Let's finish this with class

So far the debate has been exactly as expected: Nimrod is being used as a no-limitsy tool that must carry the whole team as Emma serves as the main offense. My strategy is tailor made to destroy this set up. Quicksilver is going straight to Emma and knowing Nimrod was going to play nanny I immediately pressed with devastating offense using Coldcast.

Let's debunk Damborg's second post as he finally starts to use powers that actually relate (somewhat? kind of?) to the situation i hand, let's clear those. First: he aknowledged that Rogue level mobility needed specific measures to be handled:

https://justpaste.it/img/3f5db1f3cf...71ad70f27c2.jpg

Thanks for that. I already mentioned that the counter-measure against teleporting was a ball of fire that affected the area where Nightcrawled arrived, so if he uses that close to Emma she's burn which would be funny because it'll cremate the body with the broken neck as Nimrod will be late to catch Quicksilver.

The idea seems to be that Nimrod will be teleporting next to Emma with his shield on but even if it does manage to do just that, Quicksilver can simply go around it. I mean it's a huge purple robot, not cloaked or anything, he doesn't have the reflexes to time his teleport, this guy gets hit all the time:

https://justpaste.it/img/9355aa425d...25cda134080.png

https://justpaste.it/img/f79547d892...95c74a443d6.png

And I just have superior reflexes to avoid him even if he pulled it off:

https://imgur.com/a/N6wkn4b

can easily manouver at high speed:

https://justpaste.it/img/d26e5bdad8...98a2138d999.jpg

and I have clowned Exodus's AOE attack which is way more massive than Nimrod's shield. As far as we have seen Nimrod has never shielded anyone else with his powers, so there is a good chance that his vaunted defense will not only fail to make Emma safe but it might bounce back her attempt at a psychic attack. Lucky for her she will never get it off her.

Then we have the Magneto scan, which is from a comicbook where several Nimrods are featured:

https://justpaste.it/img/81d07d6d69...f96e63bfe9c.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...__magneto_3.jpg

I'm not even sure that's canon for our Nimrod here, but the scans themselves are not that flattering and by the admission of Nimrod itself Magneto is vastly weakened. So we are comparing a weakened Erik with a full-power Coldcast who has arguably more brute power to begin with. That by itself makes the idea of Nimrod tanking my attack kind of moot but then we have to point out the no-limitsy nature of this argument. Magneto uses the Electromagnetic spectrum indeed, but it's not as if that powerset was just one thing like "fire", this is a wide array of different energies and Nimrod doesn't have a resistance for every energy because he downloaded Magneto's power once or that it's in its database. Indeed, we have never seen Magneto slowdown the electrons of someone of Superman's caliber and we have absolutely zero reason to think Nimrod countering him will give him a hard pass against every possible energy manipulation, that's a no limits fallacy. If at least this was a strategy that Magneto uses at times like if I wanted to crush Nimrod with magnetic pressure I could see the argument of this defense.

Also the fact there are several Nimrod bodies there makes it so we cannot be sure if a couple of them got phucked up by Erik before the others adapted. I'm not facing a Nimrod army, if I incapacitate one body here, that's enough for me to carry out my plan.

So I believe this makes it clear that Damborg has thrown a lot of speculation about how he expects Nimrod's powers to work. Nimrod needs to reflect things it has never faced, it needs to react at speeds it has never reached, it needs to shield and protect effectively as it has never done and it has to handle a bonafide herald powerlevel when it gets routinely handled by metas. Meanwhile I have proven clearly that I'm fast and I have broken powers to dispose of my opponents.

Pitt wouldn't last long at all against me either since I can just freeze his brain casually after all is said and done.

https://justpaste.it/img/fe28aeb1cc...2c8d45a8c2e.jpg

GGs Dambo


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Verdicts:

Martian Mind:

quote:
Aight, here's my judgement for Dambo/Bentley

Okay gents, well done to you both. This was a very close match, with diverse teams and varying strategies. Ultimately, this meant it could have gone either way, with the main points being:

1. Can Nimrod handle Coldcast's attack?
2. If so, will that allow him to protect Emma from Quicksilver?

Dambo proved without a shadow of a doubt that if Emma has the opening, she can deal with Quicksilver. On the points above, however, I was less convinced. Bentley is right in that Dambo's own scans showed Magneto to be weakened, and that Nimrod has to adapt to a specific kind of attack, rather than a powerset in it's entirety. As for Abom and Pitt, well, they were both pretty much treated like meatshields, so there's not much to ponder there.

You both argued well, and I went back and forth on the matter as I read each post. In the end though, I have to give the win to Bentley, but I should stress that it was by a hair. The lack of prep made this somewhat of a quickdraw, and Dambo's rather sparse final post meant Bentley was able to gain that final inch.

Congratulations to you both.


Pr:

quote:
Damborgson vs Bentley:

Gotta be honest, it took me a second to know where to start. With scans that weren't even canon, and claims made that honestly didn't fit the bill, I was scratching my head for a minute, trying to hone in a good spot. It became clear soon enough though, that a lot of how the fight would progress was going to depend on whether Emma/Nimrod or Quicksilver was faster on the draw, as one might say.

One thing that sprung to mind was that, as fast as Nimrod is, I've never bought that he was Quicksilver fast, and nothing posted in this argument changed my mind. And that's sad, because I like being surprised. I did feel like Dambo had a good point that Nimrod would be able to counter Coldcast, though. So that helped make the match more competitive than I might have initially thought.

In the end though, I keep coming back to the Quicksilver VS Emma thing. I love Emma, I think she's a great character. I just can't see her stopping Pietro without some kind of interference, based on what I was shown, and with that in mind, it means I have to go with Bentley ftw.



Winner: Bentley.

Congrats to both, and Bentley, see you in the final!



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