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What did ya'll think about this feat from Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver #2:

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VERY impressive sounding.

I also have no idea what a nano, picto, ato, femto or whatever even means, I just know it's a big number. 😀

Guessing it beats like 99% of speedsters. Majestic has a nanosecond reaction with a teleporting attacker, is this better?


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What did ya'll think about this feat from Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver #2:

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That Quicksilver is faster than Superman. People accepted Superman statement of a femto second. Let's see the denial when they read this. They tend to have a habit of flip flopping, only when its suitable to Supes. Pico seconds is an eternity to QS.


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VERY impressive sounding.

I also have no idea what a nano, picto, ato, femto or whatever even means, I just know it's a big number. 😀

Guessing it beats like 99% of speedsters. Majestic has a nanosecond reaction with a teleporting attacker, is this better?


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And yes, I know that femto second is faster than Picosecond but is a femto second an eternity to Picosecond? No!!!


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And yes, I know that femto second is faster than Picosecond but is a femto second an eternity to Picosecond? No!!!


Dude, one trillionth vs one millionth of a billionth.

I'd say yes that is an eternity.


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picking out marvel's fastest speedster is like choosing the least retarded kid in the special ed class


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Dude, one trillionth vs one millionth of a billionth.

I'd say yes that is an eternity.
??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second.
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That Quicksilver is faster than Superman. People accepted Superman statement of a femto second. Let's see the denial when they read this. They tend to have a habit of flip flopping, only when its suitable to Supes. Pico seconds is an eternity to QS.
So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.


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??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.


I thought the femtosecond thing was from when he reprogrammed that crystal ship thing.


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To be fair to Carver he's probably a little bit full of himself after Dorksaint ran away mid debate with his tail between his legs.

He's probably crying into his pillow about how Carver beat him.


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I thought the femtosecond thing was from when he reprogrammed that crystal ship thing.
Not sure which feat you're referring to.

I recall Superman mentioning femtoseconds in Action Comics #1000 but it ironically was in the context of him not being able to travel speed fast enough to stop a bullet being fired point-blank at a female victim's head. The bullet is explicitly speeding at 830/ft per second. Thing is... at the time the bullet was fired, Superman was already flying towards them at top speed only a few miles away at best. And Superman literally says his top flying speed won't allow him to make it in time...

But that's not even the dumbest part. Somehow the female victim leaned into the gun at the moment the gunman was pulling the trigger... which bought her an extra "attosecond" to allow Superman to stop the bullet. But... that would mean that the victim moved at an attosecond speed-level to achieve a difference necessary to overcome the gap...

Let's just say, if you try to apply true femtoseconds and attoseconds onto the scene, the entire situation is absolutely absurd. The use of femtosecond and attoseconds is undeniably purple prose.


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Not sure which feat you're referring to.

I recall Superman mentioning femtoseconds in Action Comics #1000 but it ironically was in the context of him not being able to travel speed fast enough to stop a bullet being fired point-blank at a female victim's head. The bullet is explicitly speeding at 830/ft per second. Thing is... at the time the bullet was fired, Superman was already flying towards them at top speed only a few miles away at best. And Superman literally says his top flying speed won't allow him to make it in time...

But that's not even the dumbest part. Somehow the female victim leaned into the gun at the moment the gunman was pulling the trigger... which bought her an extra "attosecond" to allow Superman to stop the bullet. But... that would mean that the victim moved at an attosecond speed-level to achieve a difference necessary to overcome the gap...

Let's just say, if you try to apply true femtoseconds and attoseconds onto the scene, the entire situation is absolutely absurd. The use of femtosecond and attoseconds is undeniably purple prose.



Well yeah, but that leaves us with nothing to really argue.

Would become the crapfest baseless fanboying that is the Dragon Ball "debates" (And I use the term loosely).


POWER LEVELS AREN'T EVEN REAL!! Nobody really knows what a power level stands for compared to conventional numbers, it's all.gibberish.


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^ You would argue more reliable speed feats that aren't self-contradictory on their face.

And I've never encountered anybody that ignored power levels in Dragonball. But then again, I haven't participated in many such debates.


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^ You would argue more reliable speed feats that aren't self-contradictory on their face.

And I've never encountered anybody that ignored power levels in Dragonball. But then again, I haven't participated in many such debates.


That's the point of my outburst, things like femtoseconds and nanoseconds are actual units of measurement, even if the events in a comic don't align with them.

But power levels, what the heck even is that? It's a made up numher that stands for whatever the writer (Rest his soul) meant. Which is probably nothing aside from "Yean it sounds cool".

The fans took it way too seriously and that's how you end up with this completely BS stats that have zero basis in canon. Speed is an example, without the magic numbers what do they have? Catching bullets and dodging beams, that's what.

Nothing close to what Quicksilver or Makkari or Surfer's actually done, yet they win because magic made up numbers.


It just grates me that I can see it, yet fanboys like Abhi swoon at the f'n Freeza saga and go all in on Goku beating Superman, when they should know full well the feats just aren't there without the made up number scaling.


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??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second. So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.


I argued this but people still gave him the ft. 🤷🏿


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That's the point of my outburst, things like femtoseconds and nanoseconds are actual units of measurement, even if the events in a comic don't align with them.

But power levels, what the heck even is that? It's a made up numher that stands for whatever the writer (Rest his soul) meant. Which is probably nothing aside from "Yean it sounds cool".

The fans took it way too seriously and that's how you end up with this completely BS stats that have zero basis in canon. Speed is an example, without the magic numbers what do they have? Catching bullets and dodging beams, that's what.

Nothing close to what Quicksilver or Makkari or Surfer's actually done, yet they win because magic made up numbers.


It just grates me that I can see it, yet fanboys like Abhi swoon at the f'n Freeza saga and go all in on Goku beating Superman, when they should know full well the feats just aren't there without the made up number scaling.


You're right. A power level of 130 can beat and kill someone with a power level of 1 billion.


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That Quicksilver is faster than Superman. People accepted Superman statement of a femto second. Let's see the denial when they read this. They tend to have a habit of flip flopping, only when its suitable to Supes. Pico seconds is an eternity to QS.

laughing out loud


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??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second. So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.
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Not sure which feat you're referring to.

I recall Superman mentioning femtoseconds in Action Comics #1000 but it ironically was in the context of him not being able to travel speed fast enough to stop a bullet being fired point-blank at a female victim's head. The bullet is explicitly speeding at 830/ft per second. Thing is... at the time the bullet was fired, Superman was already flying towards them at top speed only a few miles away at best. And Superman literally says his top flying speed won't allow him to make it in time...

But that's not even the dumbest part. Somehow the female victim leaned into the gun at the moment the gunman was pulling the trigger... which bought her an extra "attosecond" to allow Superman to stop the bullet. But... that would mean that the victim moved at an attosecond speed-level to achieve a difference necessary to overcome the gap...

Let's just say, if you try to apply true femtoseconds and attoseconds onto the scene, the entire situation is absolutely absurd. The use of femtosecond and attoseconds is undeniably purple prose.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, it's ****ing hilarious how butthurt dumbo still is on Superman's speed feats.

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That's the point of my outburst, things like femtoseconds and nanoseconds are actual units of measurement, even if the events in a comic don't align with them.

But power levels, what the heck even is that? It's a made up numher that stands for whatever the writer (Rest his soul) meant. Which is probably nothing aside from "Yean it sounds cool".
Well, I would posit that there is a clear distinction between DC speed allusions and Dragonball power readings.

First, the former is mostly allusions and purple prose that is plainly contradicted by the very same DC comics that the speed/time measurements are mentioned. Whereas, Dragonball has never contradicted the powerlevel measurements that were being used. Indeed, the comics further reinforced those power level readings during the subsequent fights.
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The fans took it way too seriously and that's how you end up with this completely BS stats that have zero basis in canon. Speed is an example, without the magic numbers what do they have? Catching bullets and dodging beams, that's what.

Nothing close to what Quicksilver or Makkari or Surfer's actually done, yet they win because magic made up numbers.

It just grates me that I can see it, yet fanboys like Abhi swoon at the f'n Freeza saga and go all in on Goku beating Superman, when they should know full well the feats just aren't there without the made up number scaling.
Well, it seems nobody is trying to place Quicksilver above Superman unless you try to equally apply purple prose.

P.S. A less critical analysis of that purple prose suggests that current Quicksilver is still above Superman in the superspeed reflexes department. But whatever...


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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, it's ****ing hilarious how butthurt dumbo still is on Superman's speed feats.

Die mad.


the guy has 1 meltdown per day, gotta be some kind of record

also he talks like there's something wrong with him


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