I donít argue lows but Iím not scaling Barda to Superman better showings either.. itís just dumb as hell. Unless thereís a valid reason to scale something in her favor like if the same writer who had her knock out Superman has Superman rank something impressive to validate why Barda knocking him out was impressive.
Thereís Toyman constructs that have knocked out Superman among other rogues who should be fodder to a well written Superman. Not saying Barda is weak I just donít buy into the hype and Iíve yet to see scans of her using the versatility she apparently has
1. I never said she would use it in a fight only that she could, it was an option. I think it came up when some BS raised about Arthur using the trident to break a force field where I said it was one of the options she would have after several others. Never mind the no limits fallacy of the trident breaking a FF with no feats to support (oh that's right it's me that doesn't show evidence, not ecstaticgrace) because physical durability =/= force fields (one is piecing a hard barrier the other is penetrative a countering force). Ignore the fact that it was an option I listed after BFshifting (as BFR isn't allowed) the trident a few hundred feet away, (the most obvious thing she would do since she often BFRs and of its barred porting within the battlefield would be an obvious tactic she employs in character), and after using gravity manip to deal with it (here it comes all the BS of where are the showings ignoring the fact I've already stated she's never to my knowledge used that offensively but only to fly and to levitate others, well levitating a trident away from its owner is an example of it also and if pushed I'm pretty sure she once levitated Lashina's lash out of her reach a one time only feat) and that IIRC I said she could either phase thru or simply port out of its way. Given it was an option I offered after several others I've offered feats of and the porting one is a common use of the MR. Given that I've stated several times it's not often used and not likely, and that I offered feats for all the often used options that I presented ahead of it. But no I get called out for not supporting what I said, but the only thing I didn't support I've stared a few times isn't likely. I'm totally confused and bewildered. Pot kettle
I also like how the guy who accuses others of false scaling then goes off and false scales. The whole question is Orion >> than Barda is such a joke. Last I checked Orion has a mother box which means he has access to gear with the same capability as Barda. So what differentiates them is their physicals. Since he's stronger, faster and more durable of course he's above her.
Did the fact that I've said from the outset that Arthur wins in a pure hand to hand fight not demonstrate that I agree he'd above her physically? I mean he's stronger and has greater physical durability, speednis arguable but also on his side. The only advantage she has in pure H2H is greater skill and its not enough to compensate for the shortcomings.
I still like the bloodthirst feat (Or whoever the dime store Apocalypse clone was), where he gets caught in a time dilation ray where days are passing in moments from his perspective, and he keeps ramping up his speed until he can catch him.
I bet he exceeded Wally West speed by miles, I wish there were calcs to how fast he was there.
You completely lost me nowÖ howíd future Aquaman overpower Hunter when they didnít even grapple? They traded swings and Aquaman was just more skilled. I donít get how you interpret that as Aquaman being physically stronger than Hunter Prince.
I definitely donít understand how you interpreted Hunter being stronger than Wonder Woman when Diana actually was shown to overpower him. Hunter tackled and unsuspected Wonder Woman and then ended up restrained by DianaÖ
And in Throne of Atlantis he charged and expecting Wonder Woman and sent her into a ship. With her retaliating by punching him.
I still donít get how you came to the conclusion That Future Borg Aquaman is physically stronger than the main continuity one. Especially when those ligaments and a lot of stuff on him were added to help him survive not to boost his physical stats. I agree heís more powerful but it isnít by physicals.
Gail Simone doesnít like Aquaman. I take that Catman showing as a lowend by a writer who shouldnít even pen the character. It happens.
Thatís not outmuscling someone though, nothing future Aquaman did physically was out of the capabilities of his present day self.
Prince didnít physically overpower Diana either though and was about to use a weapon to kill her. I donít get how any of that comes off as Hunter being stronger than Diana or Future Borg Aquaman being stronger than Hunter to you. How do you come to the conclusion one character is stronger based off Fisticuffs.
Iím not saying the Catman instance doesnít exist I just take it with a grain of salt. As much as Iíd imagine WW fans do with Christopher Priest having Wonder Woman almost die due to a ricocheted bullet
For those unfamiliar, we were initially presented with Psi-Phon taking/transfering powers from someone and giving them to Dreadnaught. We later find out it's actually Psi-Phon telepathically disables powers and Dreadnaught duplicates powers.
When Superman faces them again in AOS #469, and resists Psi-Phon's telepathy, well Dreadnaught only accomplishes anything with a sucker punch. After that it was just embarrassing.
In addition to this, we have Clark beating up Dreadnaught when he was duplicating his powers plus Elongated Man/Aquaman/Martian Manhunter/Captain Marvel. But it's unclear if the force field belt was the sole reason, was part of it, or just an excuse for why Clark Kent was beating someone with the stacked power of 5 superheros. Plus there's Captain Marvel's fight with Dreadnaught before his powers were disabled and copied. Basically, Dreadnaught doesn't look like he was as powerful as those he copied.
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