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Cap's shield vs adamantium shield

Both are identical in size and dimension. Which one is more durable? Answer by answering the 3 questions below. If tie then say tie. Support answer with showings.

1. Serpent tries to break both (like he did with Cap's shield). Which one will he have a harder time breaking (or bending)?

2. Galactus (average) blasts both with full might. Which one holds up the longest?

3. King Thor hits both with Mjolnir (like he did Cap's shield and dented it). Which one has the smallest dent?


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Spite in favor of Cap's shield. It's gone through numerous power ups no?


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Spite in favor of Cap's shield. It's gone through numerous power ups no?
''Not his current shield but his original shield.


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Yeah, it now has uru in it.


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Yeah, it now has uru in it.


And there was a time it had a flaw, during that "vibranium cancer" arc.

Other than fixing said flaw and introducing uru to the mix much-much later, I don't recall any other upgrades.

Zop, tell us more.


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Lmao I suddenly wondered about what the shield's PAINT was made of.

It's just normal titanium nitride. Considering some of the attacks it has gone through....

Also, how does it bounce? If it has vibranium in it which absorbs KE (so Cap doesn't get turned into paste), why does it suddenly bounce with perfect conservation of energy?

Also, did you guys know Vibranium isn't considered an element in Marvel?


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While reading the OP my very first thought on the subject was that America's Shield would win hands down. However, the comments that followed has left me wondering.

The shield had been weakened over time. Evidence suggests that it's damage threshold was well above Galactus' power output during the first Secret Wars, as it was damaged by the Beyonder but not fully destroyed. It is later dismantled by a strike from Thanos wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, which showed us it's full limit.

Later, the Serpent does the same thing, but he assaults it with magic. Because of the type of assault that he used against it, things become a bit murky. The shield was at that time weak against magic, however that doesn't mean that it was weak against non magical forces.

I do not believe that Galactus could destroy, or even damage the shield as it was written pre Secret Wars. Thor later rumples it, but again, King Thor was a magical being.

Since Adamantium should be vulnerable to the same forces that America's Shield was before the final upgrade, I'd vote that the shield would on average surpass the strength of Adamantium, but it wouldn't be by a lot.


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DS. The shield is metal on metal. So it is twice what it is. That’s why it can bounce.


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Lmao I suddenly wondered about what the shield's PAINT was made of.

It's just normal titanium nitride. Considering some of the attacks it has gone through....

Also, how does it bounce? If it has vibranium in it which absorbs KE (so Cap doesn't get turned into paste), why does it suddenly bounce with perfect conservation of energy?

Also, did you guys know Vibranium isn't considered an element in Marvel?
I talked about that years ago. More than 12 years ago. I stated that it was a contradiction to absorb kinetic energy but at the same time bounce with almost no loss of momentum.

Yup we all knew that vibranium is not an element in marvel. Basically common sense.


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Lmao I suddenly wondered about what the shield's PAINT was made of.

It's just normal titanium nitride. Considering some of the attacks it has gone through....


Because most writers ignore that and choose to write it as being as indestructible as the rest of the shield (sans the handle).

But some try to be realistic and do have it damaged (and Steve mentions how he has to periodically replace it), like in the famous Captain America Annual with Wolverine as the guest-star.

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Also, how does it bounce? If it has vibranium in it which absorbs KE (so Cap doesn't get turned into paste), why does it suddenly bounce with perfect conservation of energy?


Everybody keeps asking that.

It's even better with the energy shield (but to be fair, Cap rarely throws it).

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Also, did you guys know Vibranium isn't considered an element in Marvel?


An alloy, then?


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Originally posted by Stoic
While reading the OP my very first thought on the subject was that America's Shield would win hands down. However, the comments that followed has left me wondering.

The shield had been weakened over time. Evidence suggests that it's damage threshold was well above Galactus' power output during the first Secret Wars, as it was damaged by the Beyonder but not fully destroyed. It is later dismantled by a strike from Thanos wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, which showed us it's full limit.

Later, the Serpent does the same thing, but he assaults it with magic. Because of the type of assault that he used against it, things become a bit murky. The shield was at that time weak against magic, however that doesn't mean that it was weak against non magical forces.

I do not believe that Galactus could destroy, or even damage the shield as it was written pre Secret Wars. Thor later rumples it, but again, King Thor was a magical being.

Since Adamantium should be vulnerable to the same forces that America's Shield was before the final upgrade, I'd vote that the shield would on average surpass the strength of Adamantium, but it wouldn't be by a lot.
It wasnt magic directly that damaged it but power (force). Serpent used strength that he obtained from magical means. Thor used force that he obtained from magical means.


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DS. The shield is metal on metal. So it is twice what it is. That’s why it can bounce.

It shouldn't do both though.


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That's because it violates the laws of physics thumb up


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A flower absorbs light and has roots. The shield is right.


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It wasnt magic directly that damaged it but power (force). Serpent used strength that he obtained from magical means. Thor used force that he obtained from magical means.


Shut up.

Captain Marvel pummeled Superman with his bare fists and it's always mentioned how magic plays a huge part in those beatdowns.

Just because it appears as a mere physical strike doesn't mean there's no magic doing most of the work there.

Aside from the art, you can see Serpent saying the incantation a page before that.

Just die already, you miserable, impotent moron.


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Lmao I suddenly wondered about what the shield's PAINT was made of.

It's just normal titanium nitride. Considering some of the attacks it has gone through....

Also, how does it bounce? If it has vibranium in it which absorbs KE (so Cap doesn't get turned into paste), why does it suddenly bounce with perfect conservation of energy?

Also, did you guys know Vibranium isn't considered an element in Marvel?
Well it’s not just vibranium. The shield is composed of an alloy made up of vibranium, steel, and bullshit.

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Or just adamantium-vibranium mix under some writers, who wanted to simplify things.

But that's an error... as the shield predates the true adamantium.

U.S. Agent (also known as Mungi Agent) is the one with the 100% vibranium shield.


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Evaporation of motion means it can channel its initial state.


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The inconsistently of the kinetic absorbing properties of Cap's shield was also carried into the MCU:

-Avengers, Cap isn't turned into red paste when a butthurt Thor tries to murder him because the shield absorbs and deflects the mighty blow

-CA:TWS, Cap is sent flying off the highway overpass after the shield is hit with grenade launcher


There's more examples.


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Shut up.

Captain Marvel pummeled Superman with his bare fists and it's always mentioned how magic plays a huge part in those beatdowns.

Just because it appears as a mere physical strike doesn't mean there's no magic doing most of the work there.

Aside from the art, you can see Serpent saying the incantation a page before that.

Just die already, you miserable, impotent moron.

That's his language idiot. All the heralds spoke that language. Doesn't mean anything. Shield is not weak to magic.


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