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Cap's shield vs adamantium shield
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The compound is yellow, and it's applied in very thin layers (2-4 μm) through a process known as PVD (physical vapor despoliation), so I'm not sure how much pigments you can fit in there without compromising the integrity of the coating, and yellow is a very difficult color to change to blue or red with pigments.

There are however other similar compounds that have different colors, the composition of which are company secrets.

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So it's not impossible to get these colors witha similar or greater hardness. But it wouldn't be titanium-nitrite.


The reason I suggested an oxide is because it's generally harder and more corrosion resistant. As opposed to PVD coatings which break at high-speed impacts.


Can Adamantium exist in real life? And Cap's shield and vibranium?


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So DS is now becoming a troll?

"It can be written away" means possibility for future writing or a retconn. Isnt that common sense what those words meant?




There are multiple definitions of the word element. The most used (or standard definition) has it to mean "part of something" like an ingredient. The onus is on you to prove that the writer meant the literal chemistry definition and not the standard definition since that is what you are claiming.


Asking for proof is trolling? I see.


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Asking for proof is trolling? I see.


Yes it is, when they is no claim. I simply stated the writer can retcon the inconsistency with the shield being able to respond to Cap's mental commands. They have the authority to do it.


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Can Adamantium exist in real life? And Cap's shield and vibranium?
Adamantium is fictional. Can a metal that can cut through all current man made (or natural) materials with the strength of Logan exist? We don't know. That's like asking if lasers can be created in the stone age. Most (in the stoneage) will say no, be we all know better.


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Can Adamantium exist in real life? And Cap's shield and vibranium?

No. There are limits to the molecular binding-strength of alloys, and no compound behaves like vibranium.

The hardest thing we know of is "nuclear pasta," which exists in the transitioning layers of the neutron superfluid and proton-neutron superfluid in neutron stars.

Naturally this couldn't exist outside a neutron star because without the pressure holding it together it would just explode.

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He means metal. If it is computed at pi it’s can exist ds.


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No. There are limits to the molecular binding-strength of alloys, and no compound behaves like vibranium.

The hardest thing we know of is "nuclear pasta," which exists in the transitioning layers of the neutron superfluid and proton-neutron superfluid in neutron stars.

Naturally this couldn't exist outside a neutron star because without the pressure holding it together it would just explode.


Assuming there are limits. Prove that such limits are less than what adamantium was capable of (cutting through all natural and real man made objects)


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An infinite number of computing I.e. pi creates an infinite number of possibilities that creates 1 indestructible or proof of singular if you will. They already proved black 🕳 holes.

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Assuming there are limits. Prove that such limits are less than what adamantium was capable of (cutting through all natural and real man made objects)

I'm assuming that Adamantium is physically indestructible.

The problem with alloys is that they rely metallic bonds (which aren't that strong) which is why the hardest alloys don't compare to the hardest compounds.

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I'm assuming that Adamantium is physically indestructible.

The problem with alloys is that they rely metallic bonds (which aren't that strong) which is why the hardest alloys don't compare to the hardest compounds.

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The assumption is wrong.


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Astner's approaching the fictional-to-reality subject via a scientific standpoint, H1 is using something else.


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The assumption is wrong.

You're not cutting cubic-boron-nitride or diamond with an alloy.

The hardest alloy to date is titanium-gold, which has a hardness of 800 HV.

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The aforementioned compounds have a hardness around 10,000 HV.

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You're not cutting cubic-boron-nitride or diamond with an alloy.

The hardest alloy to date is titanium-gold, which has a hardness of 800 HV.

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The aforementioned compounds have a hardness around 10,000 HV.


Immaterial. None of this proves that it is impossible for an alloy to cut diamond.


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Speaking of cutting metals. Cutters made of polycrystalline diamonds are not designed for cutting hard materials like stainless steels or titanium alloys, but softer materials like aluminum and graphite in which their "lifetime" is indefinite as long as it's used correctly.

But if you use it to cut harder materials the edge will wear out and break off (even though it's harder) and since they're ten times more expensive it's not an affordable option.

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Immaterial. None of this proves that it is impossible for an alloy to cut diamond.

Are you expecting me to post an article on the theoretical limits to the hardness that can be achieved with metallic bonds, or what exactly are you looking for?

The hardness comes down to the energy binding the molecules together, and metallic bonds relies on the strength of its electron cloud which comparatively isn't that strong.

This is a pretty well-researched field because there's a lot of money to be made of industry.

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Speaking of cutting metals. Cutters made of polycrystalline diamonds are not designed for cutting hard materials like stainless steels or titanium alloys, but softer materials like aluminum and graphite in which their "lifetime" is indefinite as long as it's used correctly.

But if you use it to cut harder materials the edge will wear out and break off (even though it's harder) and since they're ten times more expensive it's not an affordable option.


Are you expecting me to post an article on the theoretical limits to the hardness that can be achieved with metallic bonds, or what exactly are you looking for?

The hardness comes down to the energy binding the molecules together, and metallic bonds relies on the strength of its electron cloud which comparatively isn't that strong.

This is a pretty well-researched field because there's a lot of money to be made of industry.


Why post all this? Just prove the statement i posted. Yes since i asked you to prove a statement. Also alloys not need to be composed solely of metals. And we do not know if there is another process (not invented yet) to create such a strong alloy.


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Still if they used a random print face they’d be able to apply the paint and make it permanent.


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Your post count is actually way too high, considering how you are confined mostly to Eternal Sunshine and talking about math bs, lol


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H1 is using something else.


Namely drugs for his schizophrenia which are clearly not working.


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Astner's approaching the fictional-to-reality subject via a scientific standpoint, H1 is using something else.
His assumption was wrong (adamantium is physically indestructible) so any science built off that assumption leads to a faulty conclusion. Yet I'm using something else? Stop trolling and read the exchange first.


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Reality is for people who walk upright. So Adamantium is part of survival of the fittest. If access from upright can implement it it can be ✔️ done. The math 🧮 is good.

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