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Rian's whole style is about "subverting expectations".
Looking at both R1 and Solo (not to mention the recent and upcoming work by Filoni and Favreau), I think it's safe to say that Sequel Trilogy could have easily been handled hundreds of times better.
That's the other thing. You can't even blame his cynicism in TLJ on the fallout from tragic events, and have Luke grow as a character in the interim. Because we're shown in TLJ that even at the height of his accomplishment, he fails at all of the same trials that he'd already overcome in the OT. In some ways, he continues to come short of himself even after TLJ. If any media has post-RotJ Luke evolve into anything other than a disappointment, then it's pretty much contradicting the film.
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Last edited by NewGuy01 on Dec 14th, 2021 at 01:58 AM
Yeah true. I think it’d be an improvement though. Your wife and child being murdered by your nephew would certainly have a larger impact than losing your aunt and uncle. Especially if it’s your fault that your nephew fell to the dark side in the first place.
That's indeed bad enough on its own, and it's made worse by the fact that there was never so much as a general outline for the trilogy's plot. Concluding a 9-film series with a trilogy by three different writers, who were each bid to improvise the story as they went along, is among the worst ideas I've ever heard. Worse yet, they didn't even go through with it, and now the whole thing feels like an back-and-forth argument between Rian and Abrams over who the characters are, and what the story was supposed to be about.
TLJ was a sour turning point, but in retrospect, I think J.J. did more harm than Rian between how he started the trilogy with an ANH copy paste, and how he decided to follow up TLJ by trying to undermine Rian's direction.
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Last edited by NewGuy01 on Dec 14th, 2021 at 08:56 PM
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The worst part is that it has happened and we're stuck with it... and there's no good way to retcon or reboot it, since Carrie's gone and Hamill is not willing to be included in large projects again...
It essentially became "Rian's vision v.s JJ's vision"... Which just didn't work. Would have likely been better in the scheme of things(from a cohesive POV) if one director had been in charge of the ST from start to finish.
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"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Sequel Trilogy should have been a new story set about 150 years later than the Original Trilogy. A young Jedi discovers ancient artifacts and awakens an ancient evil and disaster follows (or something on these lines). This could be a fresh take on Star Wars on the big screen. This route would have left much space for writers to expand on Luke Skywalker and his exploits without ruining the character.
The Nostalgia Pandering route adopted by Disney ruined Sequel Trilogy. The Directors hired for the job were lacking in vision as well. They attempted to recreate a Galactic environment similar to that of the Original Trilogy but made it infinitely worse by introducing villians who were merely puppets of Palpatine and turned Luke Skywalker into a failure only to job for Rey who herself was related to Palpatine. There is no depth and sense of accomplishment in this story.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Dec 15th, 2021 at 03:03 PM
Nah Should have focused around Luke's Jedi Academy.
That way it's also fresh (not done before), can also include the OT characters, and whatever other Galactic shenanigans are going on it would show the OT wasn't all for nothing.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Dec 15th, 2021 at 03:23 PM
I agree, 30-40 years after the civil war with an older Luke would have still been the best setting. Would be a waste not to have Mark Hamill appear again. As far as I’m concerned they could have copy-pasted the Yuzhang-Vong threat, if they didn’t have original ideas. It would have been something new for canon. And they could have kept the imperial remnants as a third party, not aligned with the republic or the Vong, led by this new ambitious leader who wants to revive the old empire. Luke could have still died in a more heroic way in the second movie, ensuring the survival of the galaxy and the finally victory in the third movie
I would have kept Rey. Well, maybe her character written a bit better, but I like the idea of a descendant of Palpatine serving as a Jedi. I would have made her a biological descendant of the emperor himself honestly, not just a clone. I think exploring how she deals with her past and her present as a Jedi would be cool. So her and Ben Solo could have been those who end the war in the final movie and will continue the work of Luke
Rey could be the strong force sensitive being discovered and joining the Academy by the end of the first film. Essentially the Harry Potter.
Have 3 years between films, and by the 3rd one both Rey and Finn would be Jedi Knights.
Kylo was fine on paper as well. Just dont kill him after his redemption. Much more interesting to have him live with his sins. Dont just copy Vaders OT story to the letter FFS.