When I read that comic I couldn’t help but to disagree with the way that it went down. How could the writer know that the lasso would have any effect upon Cain? How could she so easily defeat Cain in a physical confrontation? If we are talking about Cain at full power without additional amplification, I can’t see Diana winning. On the other hand, Cain would be hard pressed to hit her while she actively used her speed.
BFR is her only option IMO. Without this option, he likely wins eventually. I’d be interested in reading other opinions that differ from mine.
The problem with this line of thought is that the Phantom Stranger has his weaknesses, while Cain has his. These are two different characters. What works against one does not necessarily have to work on the other. If we were to adopt this train of thought across all mediums, there are examples that would used to undermine them.
For example; Would we place the Cheetah on the Phantom Stranger’s level because she has given Diana as much resistance as the Phantom Stranger has? This is just one example. There are other examples of Diana having trouble with far less than the Phantom Stranger. What happens if her lasso had no effect on Cain? You could very well be correct, but as I stated in my first post on the subject, I did not agree with the way that their confrontation went down.
What stops her from just using the lasso to incapacitate him?
Even if you accept that she couldn’t just physically beat him AND accept that the lasso’s powers won’t work to magically subdue him (neither of which I necessarily agree with, given how many low showings Juggs has), she’s just plainly stronger, faster and more skilled than him by… magnitudes. Why doesn’t she just tie him up.
Have you ever seen Cain have his head torn off? I’ve seen him suffer injuries that would kill most characters however, and he healed from them very fast due to his magical nature.
In terms of strength, we know that he is more than just strength. Even though being far weaker than the Hulk, his durability made up for the strength gap.
There is actual -roof that he is much weaker than the Hulk as well. If we were to take Cain being trapped beneath an ancient temple at face value, we see the strength gap. I am not saying that he would win here. What I said is that I did not agree with the way it went down in that comic.
In a straight slugfest, is what I meant. At full capacity for both, what would make you think that Diana would be able to hurt Cain after seeing him smile while no selling being bashed in the face by Mjolnir?
You see where I’m going with this?
With BFR she absolutely wins.
We have no idea whether or not the lasso would actually work on Cain. This is why I had problems with the way that their fight went. For all we know, he may be immune to the effects due to his magical nature of being unstoppable.
I believe that she would lose a slugfest. He never tires, and was literally created to be unbeatable in a slugfest.
I don't understand something that Stoic said. If we ask how did the writer know the lasso could affect cain. How do we know it can't? That thing has been able to affect a lot of powerful characters. Also how do we know she can't hurt him physically? He is a powerhouse of course, but isn't she supposed to be a heavy hitter too? Then i wouldn't say she is not capable of damaging him. And if both are written to the best of their capabilities, then her speed, skills and unbreakable gear would be an even bigger issue for him than raw strength alone.
But i don't think we can claim WW to be Phantom Stranger level. She is not on that level consistently.
Also Cheetah isn't an equal to WW in strength. We can see in their battles(most of them) where Diana holds back against her since they had a friendship. Cheetah mostly gives Diana some level of trouble because of her super speed and the magic claws and fangs, strength wise she is not on par with WW. Similar to how Flash doesn't need much besides his amazing speed level to be a threat to most characters.
Last edited by light889 on May 20th, 2022 at 07:36 PM
They aren’t the same character. Using this as undeniable proof is at best an assumption. Cain does not have the same power set as the Phantom Stranger.
That’s like saying that since the Molecule Man did incredibly well against the Beyonder that we should forget that he was taken down by less than Herald level characters.
The idea that Wonder Woman wins easily because of the win that she had over the Phantom Stranger is just as bad as stating that because Nekron has the power to affect multiple universes makes him greater than an Infinity Gauntlet user because it can only affect it’s native universe.
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