Well Obi Wan can’t bring himself to kill Vader, that’s why he let him live. Then in ANH Vader is just too powerful for Obi Wan to defeat, so he sacrifices himself for Luke to escape so that one day he can fight Vader.
Last edited by xPRIMEx on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 03:44 PM
There is no context. You're basing this on a line from Sidious, which is not supported by what's on the screen. Vader had some of his best Force feats in this very show.
I agree that ROTJ should be his peak, but let's not pretend that Obi-Wan, who hadn't touched a lightsaber or used the Force in a decade, was anywhere near his own prime either. And if we're talking about emotional conflict, Obi-Wan was extremely affected to the point where he broke down in tears and felt he had to apologize to Anakin at the end.
in episode 5 vader is pretty clearly shown failing due to his history with kenobi. Not sure why that wouldn't be a factor in episode 6 and sidious pretty much confirms it. It doesn't need to be explicitly stated to be concluded based on the text.
Vader having good force feats is not mutually exclusive with him being hampered in some way
Point is there was clearly a difference in performance before and after the Leia focus came into play.
And lets not fool ourselves, this is by far the most powerful Kenobi has ever been portrayed. And the only explanation for that we have is he thinks of Leia.
Honestly that issue was sorta there in the OT. Because we saw Ben was a near match for Vader in ANH, when his powers were apparently weakened due to old age.
Filoni had a theory which bears more weight now. That Ben wanted Luke to redeem Vader all along, despite what he tells him.
It is pretty comical that Kenobi refused to kill Vader out of brotherly nostalgia, but then placed the sole burden to do so on Vader's own f*cking son... and then scoffed when Luke said he couldn't do it.
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And it was right after the scene, where Vader confirmed that Anakin is gone and Vader is all that's left. Kenobi even agreed by calling him "Darth", so if Kenobi is convinced Anakin is truly gone, why would he let Vader live? It's just bad writing. It would have been cheesy and cliche, but something should have interrupted that scene and forced Kenobi to run, like maybe inquisitors and stormtroopers arriving to help Vader or something.
Yeah, at this point, Kenobi show Vader and Obi-Wan are stronger than Yoda/Sids in terms of showings.
Yoda has to put actual effort into his TK (Dooku's rocks, the Senate pod, lifting the X-Wing) and Sids' TK is pretty modest in comparison (the Senate pods he throws are being manipulated via the anti-grav tech as you can hear them whirling). Really, even in the PT TK usage was very reasonable and not a game-breaker, and Obi-Wan stalemated against a pissed off Anakin who was (per GL's own words) in his prime.
Meanwhile, you have Vader doing feats that would require Magneto levels of power, and Obi-Wan throwing rocks by the dozen. You'd have to reach into old EU/Legends to find comparable TK feats, like in Dark Empire with Luke crushing an AT-AT with a gesture.
Sorry this might be a stupid one but its sort of got me confused : i wasnt sure : in episode 6 when Obi slashes the left half of Vaders mask was Obis intent to cut his mask to reveal his identity or go for the kill or severly injure him etc?
Jun 23rd, 2022 03:21 PM
