"I'm not a girl, I'm a guy you know? But at the same time, I tell ya how you can solve this abortion issue right now. Ready? Those unwanted babies that single moms leave in alleys and in dumpsters? Leave about 12 of those on the steps of The U.S. Supreme Court. Problem solved. "You guys said we had to have them? Then you guys......****ING RAISE 'EM. YOU raise 'em. You said I had to have it? Then they're yours, you ****. Take it"
When a person makes a statement it is perfectly fair to put that statement in context by relation to the person in general.
Hitler didn't like eating animals...but he also killed lots of Jews...it shows that hes clearly not reliable...thus using him as a source to support vegetarianism fails...same with Mr. Hicks.
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No. It is not reasonable to attack something a person says by using another believe they hold. That is a logical fallacy. And it is stupid and doesn't prove anything.
Bullshit. If Hitler said "Eating animals is unhealthy for you due to following facts: ..." and you said "Well, you killed Jews", then you haven't proven dick and just attacked him and not the issue. This is what happened, not what you said. Nice try though.
I disagree, I don't know what planet your living on but at the end of the day if you have an opponent in a debate that doesn't seem to have a resolution i.e. abortion you move away from attacking the points to the person themselves...you might not like it but its what is done...waving your arms around screaming "not fair" isn't going to win the argument...especially if its an unwinnable one...it comes down to opinions thus the only way to beat your opponent is to attack them person and take their ideals down with it...its punch and judy politics...enjoy it.
Im not saying I didn't my point was these arguments exist and are being used- sometimes they are far more effective than reasoned debate...your telling people that the argument doesn't prove anything and is rubbish doesn't earn you any points...people respond to hominem, they don't respond to wingeing.
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It does in a debate that isn't scored. What's the point of false reasoning in such a debate?
Not if the scorekeeper is a reasonable person. You are right though, Bill O'Reilly can yell louder than most others and apparently people buy that he is a decent debater.
Well, problem is most debates aren't scored...for example in Britain the Prime Minister is a vastly intelligent man far more so than the opposition leader. However Brown is not an orator whereas the leader of the opposition is...so it often looks like Brown looses the debates purely because he couldn't speak fast enough or stutters...
Point is, the content of a debate is usually irrelevant its the delivery. Especially in a forum such as this one...a person can make a very reasoned and sensible point but have it appear to be rebutted by another member who jumps around the points and then says the other user didn't address any...
The debate is pointless...there will be no consensus...their is a precedent for illogical arguments in this debate i.e. what is she was raped sort of stuff...so why not.
Here's something that really pisses me off. Here's Bill Napoli, a south dakota senator, explaining the only type of situation in which he thinks a woman has the right to get an abortion:
“A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life.”
Who's to say a virgin has more of a right to an abortion than any other woman? Hell, even if a prostitute's raped its still rape. I have no problem with those who think abortion is wrong, but it pisses me off when people get self righteous about it, like rape is more tramatizing for one person than another.
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