Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Captain's Chair, CA
In vitro fertilization will likely still be allowed in many anti-abortion/choice states.
Which is funny, as that involves the fertilization of multiple eggs and then destroying the ones the parents do not want. IVF is generally expensive (20-30K) per session and something the poor often do not have the means to do.
"A human life beings at fertilization!", guess not in some cases...
No, they left to escape a state religion that was less radical than the one they wanted to practice. They were religious fanatics that had no qualms about establishing a state religion, so long as it was theirs.
I'm against abortion. I think it should be optionally legal in cases where it endangers the life of the mother, or the child will be born with mental or physical defects. I would also make an exception for rape or incest. I don't buy the argument that it isn't a child until birth. I do understand the argument that it is a woman's right to do with her body as she chooses. I'm a liberal, and I'm married to a liberal, I just deep down do not feel that ending a pregnancy is part of that right. I think the child should have legal protection under the law as well. A child is absolutely as dependant on care that is legally required after birth, as it is before birth.
I also think our country should absolutely do much much more to support children. Cover massive amounts of child raising costs- that parent is literally building your country a new source of tax revenue, and absolutely, the country should help with that.
Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Captain's Chair, CA
"I don't buy the argument that it isn't a child until birth"-you, this is a silly strawman. You'd be hard pressed to find pro-choice people who are okay with abortion all the way to birth, they're the outliers, not the norm. The majority of pro-choice people feel there's a time limit, why we have term limits now.
You're also a contradiction, you're against abortion because you seemingly feel it's equal to a human life at fertilization, but then you state you're okay with what you think is murder if the father/sperm-giver is a criminal or related to the mother. That's punishing the child for the sins of the parent(s), from your logic.
I do agree it's a contradiction. *Shrug*. It's not a black and white issue to me. It's a tough decision either way. My exceptions are in place because of that. I don't think it's a child at conception either- right now, in America, the battle is all or nothing.. no compromise by either side ever, which is a damn shame.
I've seen pregnant women smoke and some women will even try to terminate their pregnancy by other means than abortion such as intentional miscarriages. Are they murderers too? Or in the smoker's case, a child abuser?
__________________ Sig by Nuke Nixon Last Edited by Blakemore on Jan 1st, 2000, at 00:00 AM
Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Captain's Chair, CA
Banning abortion does not stop women from getting abortions, it just makes them more dangerous to the woman seeking one. We have the data from pre and post R vs W.
There's been a huge uptick in the various morning-after pills, though it's suspected that some, if not most, anti-choice states will start banning these products too.
The abortion pills/cocktails used to terminate 10 (or less) week long pregnancies are banned outright in several states, and more states will follow. Women in anti-choice states can still get these shipped in from out of the country, but they face being charged with murder if it can be proven they used it to terminate a pregnancy.
Yeah, but now they can arrest women who get abortions, and if murder is worse than rape, then she can get the death penalty and the rapist can roam free after 10 years.
America.
__________________ Sig by Nuke Nixon Last Edited by Blakemore on Jan 1st, 2000, at 00:00 AM
The abortion pills being banned is an example of idiots not compromising. Those should absolutely be legal. These are just my opinions. Absolutely, any and all abortion arguments or compromises are slippery slopes, no matter which side of the issue you're on. There is no right answer, it's just where you choose to dig in your heels, and say, that's where I'm at on the slope. I think the abortion pills being legal, and then it not being legal after that except the exceptions I stated before, are just about where I stand.
This is the ****ing ridiculous part of this whole debate. As George Carlin put it, "these Republicans are not pro-life, they're anti-woman. Pure and simple."
I don't actually understand what point you are making here in relation to guys post. Are you agreeing with him on the late-term thing? Agreed on more child care help. Way more. A poor or hungry child is a shame to the entire country. It just shouldn't happen. It's everyone's responsibility. So think carefully before you say every teenager who gets pregnant should be having one...
I find it pathetic that he actually thinks a woman would terminate a pregnancy after 8 months and 29 days. He clearly doesn't understand pregnancy or women at all.
Since when have we gotten to the point where people who don't have sex or get pregnant are telling the rest of us how to have sex or how to treat pregnancy?
__________________ Sig by Nuke Nixon Last Edited by Blakemore on Jan 1st, 2000, at 00:00 AM
Agreed with that. I don't think you could find one case of that late term an abortion happening as a "contraceptive" choice. It is the case conservatives most like to push on us though.
It doesn't even make any sense. Some children are born after 7 months and survive. Not only that, women have a very special bond with the thing that's growing inside them. They don't think "oh shit, my boyfriend left me, better get the coat hanger."
__________________ Sig by Nuke Nixon Last Edited by Blakemore on Jan 1st, 2000, at 00:00 AM
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