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Right, it had nothing to do with their economic ties with the Soviet Union and China.


Who were Cuba and Iran allied with before their governments were kicked out for going against their own people's interests and serving a foreign power? I'll give you a clue...it wasn't the Soviet Union or China.


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Here's a nice place to start your education about what I'm talking about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_propaganda


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Who were Cuba and Iran allied with before their governments were kicked out for going against their own people's interests and serving a foreign power? I'll give you a clue...it wasn't the Soviet Union or China.
Okay, I'll give you that.


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Here's a nice place to start your education about what I'm talking about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_propaganda


Conspiracy theory belongs in the conspiracy theory forum.


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Who were Cuba and Iran allied with before their governments were kicked out for going against their own people's interests and serving a foreign power? I'll give you a clue...it wasn't the Soviet Union or China.
A bit of a sweeping statement, no? Iran had a major socialist party in the 40s that collapsed after it became clear that it's "socialist" policy was largely just pro-Soviet policy (ie granting Soviet control of Iranian oil out of political solidarity).

Turns out that propaganda is useful for capitalists and non-capitalists alike.

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A bit of a sweeping statement, no? Iran had a major socialist party in the 40s that collapsed after it became clear that it's "socialist" policy was largely just pro-Soviet policy (ie granting Soviet control of Iranian oil out of political solidarity).

Turns out that propaganda is useful for capitalists and non-capitalists alike.


No. Because the Shah regime was installed by a coup orchestrated by the C.I.A. in order to install a regime that would give access to Iranian oil to western companies.


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Right. It just, clearly, wasn't only the west that was intervening in Iranian politics in order to control Iran's resources. The Soviets just dressed it up as socialism.

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Right. It just, clearly, wasn't only the west that was intervening in Iranian politics in order to control Iran's resources. The Soviets just dressed it up as socialism.


Yeah. Except the Socialist party you're referring to in the 40s were tiny and had zero political influence.


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Yeah. Except the Socialist party you're referring to in the 40s were tiny and had zero political influence.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudeh_Party_of_Iran

"From this point on the party grew immensely and became a major force in Iranian politics. By early 1945, the party had managed to create the first mass organization in Iran's history. Police records later revealed it had an estimated 2,200 hard-core members – 700 of them in Tehran – "10,000s of sympathizers in its youth and women's organizations, and 100,000s of sympathizers in its labor and craft unions."[21] Its main newspaper, Rahbar (Leader), boasted a circulation of more than 100,000 – triple that of the "semi-official newspaper" Ettela'at. British ambassador Reader Bullard called it the only coherent political force in the country, and the New York Times reckoned it and its allies could win as much as 40% of the vote in a fair election.[22]

This period has been called the height of the party's intellectual influence which came in large part from the prestige and propaganda of the Soviet Union as "the world's most progressive nation." Few intellectuals "dared oppose" the party "even if they did not join." Marking the end of the "near hegemony of the party over intellectual life" in Iran was the resignation from the party of celebrated writer Jalal Al-e-Ahmad circa 1948 to form a socialist splinter group –Third Force– in protest against the Tudeh's "nakedly pro-Soviet" policies.[23]"

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The US and USSR ****ed the world after WWII in their power plays across the globe, one said it was to bring freedom and democracy and all the good that comes with that, the other said it was to bring freedom and communism and all the good that comes with that.

Both just wanted resources and/or a chess piece on the world table.


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The US and USSR ****ed the world after WWII in their power plays across the globe, one said it was to bring freedom and democracy and all the good that comes with that, the other said it was to bring freedom and communism and all the good that comes with that.

Both just wanted resources and/or a chess piece on the world table.
yeah. Before WW2 & 1 it was mostly France, Italy, Russia, Germany, Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, Portugal, Austria-Hungary, Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, the Ottamans and Great Britain doing that.

Siam, Afghanistan, Romania, Bulgaria and Ethiopia were merely buffer zones between empires.

Then came WW2. Soviet Russia and Free Country U.S.A. played a game of risk, which ended when U.S.A. created Al Qaeda... lol, the irony.


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Woke is good! Seriously, as Elvis Costello sang, "what's so funny about peace, love and understanding?"

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Honestly, the "gender pay gap in movies/tv" morons.

A bit of hoopla was made over Pedro Pascal's $600,000 per episode pay rate vs Bella Ramsey's $70,000 per episode in The Last of Us with the implication that it's unfair since both are the protagonists.

As if gender was actually cause of the disparity, and not, you know, the fact that Bella isn't very well known.

If they want to complain, then complain that the actors and crew are likely underpaid compared to the revenue the show generates for the corporate entities who actually own the shit...

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Bella Ramsey is non-binary. Can't be a gender pay gap if there's no gender. KAPOOOWWW!

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Honestly, the "gender pay gap in movies/tv" morons.

A bit of hoopla was made over Pedro Pascal's $600,000 per episode pay rate vs Bella Ramsey's $70,000 per episode in The Last of Us with the implication that it's unfair since both are the protagonists.

As if gender was actually cause of the disparity, and not, you know, the fact that Bella isn't very well known.

If they want to complain, then complain that the actors and crew are likely underpaid compared to the revenue the show generates for the corporate entities who actually own the shit...

I suppose I should add "reportedly" to those numbers, to be safe.
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Bella Ramsey is non-binary. Can't be a gender pay gap if there's no gender. KAPOOOWWW!

True. 5D chess.

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