Actually more interested as to why Dooku wanted Qui-Gon on board. He stated about him being a powerful ally. Did Qui-Gon have some untapped potential? And could he have been swerved to the dark side the way Dooku had been ?
Would like more Qui-Gon background as well. How he discovered and began his unfinished Force Ghost training….
In TOFJ Dooku pointed out that he wont be able to protect Qui-Gon, while latter replied that now Obi-Wan is doing that. I don't think that Dooku considered Qui-Gon as that powerful ally in terms of fighting ability. More like a free thinker, that could help him to change the galaxy. At that point, Dooku probably believed himself, that he wanted peace and order.
If Qui-Gon would be on Yaddle place, I would say no. For sure. In other scenarios - hard to tell. If the Council would still forbid him to train Anakin, he would probably leave and do it on his own. Perhaps then he would turn himself to Dooku for a little bit of support.
Anyway, I'm more interested in how Dooku saw this alliance with Sidious. He knew about Maul, so in wasn't a master and an apprentice relationship form begining. More like an aliance to reach a common goals. At this point they were a partners, Sidious had Maul so Dooku possibly could have his own allies. Qui-Gon and Maul's deaths changed that clearly and pushed it to be different kind of relationship. So the rules were changed as well I guess.
Given what we know about Qui-Gon, I certainly think he would have walked away from the Order at some point(whether it be to train Anakin against the Council's wishes, or from just growing disillusioned with the Order in general.) I don't see him ever turning to the dark side, though.
TCW S06 established that Dooku was operatively working for Palpatine during the TPM-era, under his Sith name of Tyranus. Filoni also stated in an interview that Dooku and Maul were Palpatine's "padawan learners" at the same time.
Though now it's a little less clear if Dooku was already a fully-anointed Sith at the time of TPM, because yeah, it was heavily implied that killing Yaddle was his final test to earn that spot. So perhaps "Tyranus" was just the alias Dooku used at the time to avoid detection from the Jedi, and he didn't receive the proper "Darth" title/role until after Maul's defeat.
That would actually tidy things up a bit, as it means that Palpatine technically never broke the Rule of Two.
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well yeah, he was still a spy for Sidious either way up til that point; having a red blade before he was actually a Darth wouldn't have been the most subtle 😂
After reading Master & Apprentice, it's abundantly clear that Qui-Gon would have never turned to the dark side. He had his brush with the dark side, and came through it more cemented in his allegiance to the light than ever.
That said, he would absolutely have wound up leaving the Jedi Order. They were failing in their mission to follow the will of the Force, due to the Order's subservience to the Galactic Senate.
You have to forcefully make the kyber itself bleed, by dumping all of your hatred and whatnot directly into it. The blade doesn't just turn red on its own through an accumulation of evil deeds or w/e(hence why Anakin's blade remained blue throughout the entirety of RotS.)
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Ah right didnt realise it was a forced manoeuvre. Just thought it’s after having embraced the dark side completely. I figured Anakin saber was blue in ROTS due to him only having just turned.
Would have been a cool inclusion to have seen Dooku bleed his crystal right after killing Yaddle.
I have always wondered about Inquisitor sabers. They weren't actually Sith, but still had red sabers. Did Sidious give them permission to bleed their crystals, or were they like manufactured that way?
That was old Legends lore, but in canon you can't manufacture kyber. That was a whole big plot point in the novel Catalyst, where Galen Erso was trying to make artificial kyber as a power source.
As for the Inquisitor sabers, the Ahsoka novel gave us some clues. The Empire began mining Ilum for kyber right after Order 66. Ahsoka traveled to Ilum intent on building a new lightsaber, but the crystals that called to her were actually the ones in the Sixth Brother's lightsaber.
So, from the context of the novel, the Inquisitors didn't have any special bond to their crystals the way Jedi do (with Jedi following the "call" of specific crystals). Instead, they were given crystals that had been harvested by the Empire from Ilum. Now, who bled their crystals is still unanswered. May have been the Inquisitors themselves, but more likely it was done by Palpatine.
Looked into it a bit more, and yeah, it seems like this was indeed the case.
The "Medcenter Fortress" entry in Complete Locations (2016) states: "Massive Sith-imbued kyber crystal, slivers from which will be used in Sith lightsabers": https://ibb.co/YjJd4gN
That said, it does seem likely that Palpatine may have just cut little pieces from the giant kyber he already had on Coruscant, and used those for the Inquisitors' sabers... Which makes sense. After all, properly bleeding a Jedi's kyber seems like it was very much a Sith-exclusive ritual/rite of passage -- and since the Inquisitors were not Sith, I doubt that Palpatine would have been too keen on allowing a bunch of c-list pretenders to do something like that. /shrug
Moreover, it was reiterated that a true Sith kyber/saber must be taken, not given: https://ibb.co/hczcYjW
So gifting Inquisitors with their red sabers would have actually been another subtle way to differentiate them from proper Sith.
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