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juggernaut74
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The exact dialogue from Skoll pertaining to Thrawn's return was:
For some, war.
For others, a new beginning.
For us, power. Such as you've never dreamed.

The first two are pretty self-explanatory. The last... I'm not quite sure.
Being promised great power is pretty much a death sentence in Star Wars.


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The end credits for ep.2 ambiguously lists Sam Witwer under the "additional voices" section:
https://ibb.co/RzSyjbR

Obviously the popular theory is that he is playing Marrok... A nod to Galen Marek/Starkiller, perhaps.

We'll see. /shrug
That seems to obvious but possible I suppose.

We don't know how many Inquisitors there actually was he could just be a survivor when the Empire fell just trying to make his way through the galaxy.


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Didn't think I'd be a fan of this "extragalactic" element, but the more I think about it the more I like it. Mostly because introducing a new galaxy into the fold helps make the plot a lot less landlocked after ROTJ. Yeah we might know how things will eventually play out in the main galaxy after the Ahsoka series ends, but this new galaxy opens up a TON of new possibilities, without really having to follow ST canon at all. This could be a good thing.

The only better option would be if they used TWBW to just retcon the ST, but that ain't happening unfortunately.


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Would be epic if Marrok’s mask comes off and it’s Sam Witwer

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Didn't think I'd be a fan of this "extragalactic" element, but the more I think about it the more I like it. Mostly because introducing a new galaxy into the fold helps make the plot a lot less landlocked after ROTJ. Yeah we might know how things will eventually play out in the main galaxy after the Ahsoka series ends, but this new galaxy opens up a TON of new possibilities, without really having to follow ST canon at all. This could be a good thing.
It could be a very good thing, if for no other reason than having the potential to just side-step the ST garbage all together.

...But only if (and it's a big "if" at this point), it is executed properly.


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Yeah, sidelining the Sequel trilogy would be a master move but Kathleen recently confirmed that Rey/Kylo/Finn etc aren't gone and we'll see more from them, so I fear they'll keep milking them.

Btw I have the feeling that Ahsoka is gonna be massively underpowered in the live action. We've already seen it in Mando S2 when she used stealth tactics to take out 3 fodders instead of just bulldozing through them, now we have an inquisitor fighting on par with her. Marrok vs Ahsoka was closer than, say, Savage Oppress vs Adi Gallia. Huyang stating that two Jedi knights can pose a threat to her isn't good either, when tbh anyone below Jedi council level should be a low diff fight for her at worst


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Has Jacen Syndulla been shown anywhere since Rebels ended? I would not be surprised if he was force sensitive and would make a better candidate for Jedi training over Sabine.


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Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Didn't think I'd be a fan of this "extragalactic" element, but the more I think about it the more I like it. Mostly because introducing a new galaxy into the fold helps make the plot a lot less landlocked after ROTJ. Yeah we might know how things will eventually play out in the main galaxy after the Ahsoka series ends, but this new galaxy opens up a TON of new possibilities, without really having to follow ST canon at all. This could be a good thing.

The only better option would be if they used TWBW to just retcon the ST, but that ain't happening unfortunately.


Brilliant. Have Luke not just go into exile on Act 2 (isn't RJ so funny and clever) but instead, have him retreat to this other galaxy with a bunch of still surviving apprentices and continue to rebuild the Jedi Order. Maybe even with a kid of his own as well. Then, around the the time of the ST, he gets some premonition in the Force goes back to Act 2 and puts on a whole act for Rey. Boom. SW has been saved salvaged.

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Brilliant. Have Luke not just go into exile on Act 2 (isn't RJ so funny and clever) but instead, have him retreat to this other galaxy with a bunch of still surviving apprentices and continue to rebuild the Jedi Order. Maybe even with a kid of his own as well. Then, around the the time of the ST, he gets some premonition in the Force goes back to Act 2 and puts on a whole act for Rey. Boom. SW has been saved salvaged.
I'm not talking about using this new galaxy to retcon or even alter the ST. I'm saying that it opens the doors for a bunch of new plots to happen, without having to worry about the ST stuff at all.

Wouldn't at all be surprised if there are other factions of force users in this galaxy though. Peridea is a Jedi legend for a reason.


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I know you aren't. But I am.

Luke failing to recreate the Jedi Order is my biggest issue with the ST. If they can use this new galaxy to fix that, they should. Is it hackneyed? Sure. But I don't care.

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I doubt Disney would ever have the balls, but it honestly could work.

Look at the Thrawn novels: they had him go on these lengthy side-missions in between a couple seasons of Rebels, and it still meshed perfectly with the overarching story. So they could certainly do the same type of thing with Luke -- especially since he spent, like, decades off the grid. I mean, if Peridea was common knowledge for even Jedi younglings, then I'm sure Luke would have heard the stories about it as well, given all the knowledge/relic hoarding he did. So maybe after Kylo's downfall, Luke thought: "Hmm, maybe I should look a little deeper into that Peridea place, after all..." /shrug

Tbh, one of the hardest parts to consolidate would still be his "fuk teh Jedeye" persona (thx 4 that, Rian.)


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I know you aren't. But I am.

Luke failing to recreate the Jedi Order is my biggest issue with the ST. If they can use this new galaxy to fix that, they should. Is it hackneyed? Sure. But I don't care.
Ah gotcha. I totally agree.

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Tbh, one of the hardest parts to consolidate would still be his "fuk teh Jedeye" persona (thx 4 that, Rian.)
Like ares said; just make it an act. Maybe Luke knew his time was near and Rey needed to find her own path, so he put up a woe is me facade to swing her in that direction. Granted that also makes Luke's fireside chat with Yoda irrelevant, but hey it would still be far from the dumbest thing to come out of the ST era lol.

At the end of the day I just hope they don't waste the opportunities that could come from a whole new galaxy.


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At the end of the day I just hope they don't waste the opportunities that could come from a whole new galaxy.
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The potential is absolutely there. Proper delivery/execution of that potential is what I have my doubts about.

Hopefully I'll end up being surprised.


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Hopefully they're going to Milky Way galaxy smile


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Good 3rd episode. Man this show has really got me excited for SW again!

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New episode was completely mediocre if not downright bad. Almost nothing of import happened. And instead of any character or plot development, we got some shameless aping of the OT. The main actors continue to be completely subpar leaving the characters completely bland.

Another issue is how laughably incompetent the New Republic is written. It would be one thing if it was well written and believable, but it's not. It's just lazy. Villains are also completely toothless. Their ships couldn't do shit. They couldn't even scuff up Ahsoka's ship when it was sitting their dead with no power or shields. It because of stuff like this there is almost no tension ever in Filoni's shows.

There are also just basic storytelling problems. Most of the episode is about Ahsoka and co figuring out what the villains are up to and what they are building. There's a bunch of build up and it feels like it's almost meant to be some reveal... But the audience already know all of this so it all falls flat and feels pointless. Something as simple as not revealing the hyperspace ring and what the Empire was up to last episode would have made this episode so much better.

Oh, and that scene with Ahsoka on the ship was goofy as hell.

As for the good... The visuals are nice and I like Huyang. The action also can be fun even if it feels weightless and is just copied directly from better SW material.

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I think the incompetence and arrogance of the New Republics leadership is meant to be intentional. It's also how the First Order was able to come to power under their noses, despite Leia's warnings. And also why Leia eventually established the Resistance.


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Good third episode, liked the fight scenes. This show so far is delivering


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Not surprised. You seemed to enjoy some Kenobi episodes as well and every single episode of that was complete dogshit.

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I think the incompetence and arrogance of the New Republics leadership is meant to be intentional. It's also how the First Order was able to come to power under their noses, despite Leia's warnings. And also why Leia eventually established the Resistance.


Of course. But they could have done it well. This is written like a cartoon. But I suppose I shouldn't expect more from Filoni.

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No Kenobi wasn’t very good overall even though it had some good moments. If I had to rate it, I’d give Kenobi a 6/10, maaaybe 6.5/10. Like Boba Fett. For reference, the mandalorian for me is a 7.5/10 which is the average between the first two seasons (both 8/10 for me) and the last one (6/10). Andor is a 8/10. Ahsoka has also the potential to be as good as Andor or the first two seasons of the Mandalorian so far


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