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carver9
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Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.


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So we all agree Darkseid wins??


No, that has yet to be proven. CK Thor was a universal plus threat.


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Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.

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No, that has yet to be proven. CK Thor was a universal plus threat.

What universal feat does he have?


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No, that has yet to be proven. CK Thor was a universal plus threat.
How so? He has zero feats proving that he can one shot a universe let alone a galaxy.


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Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.
That's begging someone to disprove a negative.

And conflating Cosmic Thor's energy absorption feats w/ Galactus' doesn't support shifting the burden of proof.


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Question, why couldn't Thor just absorb Darkseid power like he did Galactus? By the way, Galactus absorption fts>Darkseid, so it should be easier to achieve tbh.


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...I will continue to posit that Cosmic Thor's feats against Galactus were necessarily connected to inadvertent backdoor access to the Power Cosmic as a whole


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ODG said it best


Mjlonir doesn't just absorb power cosmic. It absorbs all forms of energy. We can't just limit that scene to power cosmic.


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Mjlonir doesn't just absorb power cosmic. It absorbs all forms of energy. We can't just limit that scene to power cosmic.


Absorb blasts and ambient energy vs drain a being are two different things. Are you suggesting that classic Thor can drain Galactus, Thanos, etc just all the same? Or Odin can do this himself?


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Mjolnir can absorb energy of any type. Thor has done this repeatedly in the past. He cracked open a Celestial's armor by absorbing the electromagnetic energy of a planet, and used it to augment his striking power for example. Draining creatures that are not expressly composed of energy isn't something that I've seen him do in the past, but if he fought a Captain Atom/Major Force type, he would begin with an advantage due to Mjolnir's ability to absorb, or drain energy. With an Asgardian spell, Thor was able to pull Loki"s soul out of his body.


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Mjolnir can absorb energy of any type. Thor has done this repeatedly in the past. He cracked open a Celestial's armor by absorbing the electromagnetic energy of a planet, and used it to augment his striking power for example. Draining creatures that are not expressly composed of energy isn't something that I've seen him do in the past, but if he fought a Captain Atom/Major Force type, he would begin with an advantage due to Mjolnir's ability to absorb, or drain energy. With an Asgardian spell, Thor was able to pull Loki"s soul out of his body.


You didn't read my post. I stated there was a difference between absorbing AMBIENT energy vs draining a being.

Ok point out all the times he drained a being of all it's energy and powers?

You and Carver are suggesting a no limits fallacy. Thor (even classic Thor), Odin, etc can drain ANY being. For example, classic Thor can drain Celestials, Black Winter, Knull, LT, Thanos, IG, etc.


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I fail to see how an average Galactus has any relevance to measuring Black Winter's durability. I trust you also recognize this and have no intentions of dragging the Black Winter down to an average Galactus' level.


Interesting you say this, because if we add 2+2 together, I can get potato:

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Dominions fear Galactus.

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Dominions also make the Black Winter look like an angry jelly baby.

Proof it was a Dominion:
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So Black Winter <<<<< Dominon, who is/are <= Galactus/Phoenix.

And Phoenix = Legion +Hope.
As I said, 2+2 = Potato.


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To be fair the Dominion species are powerful as collectives, but not necessarily as individual beings.

It doesn't matter whether the President and the Minister of Defense can authorize a nuclear strike, they're still going to fear a grizzly bear in a chance encounter.

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To be fair the Dominion species are powerful as collectives, but not necessarily as individual beings.

It doesn't matter whether the President and the Minister of Defense can authorize a nuclear strike, they're still going to fear a grizzly bear in a chance encounter.


Loki said he caught a glimpse of ONE, which is what he said made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.

Nice analogy, though. If applicable.

Edit: note too, that the description of A Dominion (singular) calls them categorically (not colloquially) godlike.


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Dominions aren't being, but collectives of Titans, which in turn are ascended societies with a shared intellect.

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Dominions aren't being, but collectives of Titans, which in turn are ascended societies with a shared intellect.

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Agreed, but that was not your point.

A singular Dominion is very powerful. Powerful enough to be categorically gods, in terms of power.

A singular Dominion is powerful enough to make the BW look like an angry jelly baby. And a singular Dominion is scared of Galactus. Your original post, to be fair, was wrong.


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A singular Dominion isn't a singular being, and Loki doesn't even refer to it as a singular being he refers to it as "things that have dominion." Maybe a better analogy would be looking at an excavation project (with dynamite) and say that it makes tigers look harmless in comparison, when even a smaller cat like a jaguar would instill fear in the workers if it roamed around on the excavation site.

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A singular Dominion isn't a singular being, and Loki doesn't even refer to it as a singular being he refers to it as "things that have dominion." Maybe a better analogy would be looking at an excavation project (with dynamite) and say that it makes tigers look harmless in comparison, when even a smaller cat like a jaguar would instill fear in the workers if it roamed around on the excavation site.


It doesn't change the point that a singular Dominion makes BW look like an angry jelly baby, and a singular Dominion is scared of G.

And Loki said he caught a glimpse of ONE. And it was this one that he saw. And it was this ONE thing that made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.

Never disputed that a Dominion isn't a collective, btw, so not sure what your attempt at point pivoting and water muddying is attempting to do?


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To be fair the Dominion species are powerful as collectives, but not necessarily as individual beings.

It doesn't matter whether the President and the Minister of Defense can authorize a nuclear strike, they're still going to fear a grizzly bear in a chance encounter.

Your mistake is in saying they're individual beings. They're not, they're a collective.


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It doesn't change the point that a singular Dominion makes BW look like an angry jelly baby, and a singular Dominion is scared of G.

And Loki said he caught a glimpse of ONE. And it was this one that he saw. And it was this ONE thing that made the BW look like an angry jelly baby.

He said he "caught a glimpse of something out there that makes him look like an angry jelly-baby," "things that had dominion."

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Your mistake is in saying they're individual beings. They're not, they're a collective.

Yeah I misspoke, it was before I looked it up again and I had a hazy recollection of what they were. Dominions are collectives of Titans.

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He said he "caught a glimpse of something out there that makes him look like an angry jelly-baby," "things that had dominion."


Yeah I misspoke, it was before I looked it up again and I had a hazy recollection of what they were. Dominions are collectives of Titans.
"But it looked like ONE had....."

One. Singular.

SomeTHING. Singular.

There are THINGS. Plural.

To use your analogy, there are tigers out there. I saw something that was scary. I saw a glimpse of one out there.

Therefore, I saw a singular tiger. That tiger was scary. Not.....the entire population of the world's tigers, lol.


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