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Originally posted by carver9
Which means he had enough strength to accomplish a goal. The fight went downhill for both after that. There's no other way around it. Superman even admitted in the older scenes that his legs were feeling wobbly. Are you saying Superman is lying above when he said he was tired and drained?

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Originally posted by Galan007


Logical deduction aside, it was also outright stated that Doomsday's strength continuously increased during the battle -- which obviously means Superman's strength did the same:

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*In short, your point/opinion here is the accurate one.

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Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about Doomsday? I said Superman doesn't.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm just going to say this:

Superman has dynamic strength. To say otherwise is either ignorance or lying.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No. Because he didn't defeat the bigger stronger more powerful Hulk. Hulk was mind controlled there.

Or are you saying it's a valid victory for Ben? Hmmm. Although, if we are to take statements as true, it literally says the fight isn't about Brawn, but Heart.

That's IF we are taking the scans as they are.

With regards to your Superman scan.....

You want to take it at face value, yes? You are saying he had nothing left in the tank, correct?

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Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about Doomsday? I said Superman doesn't. Just to dig deeper into this. This scene match Superman vs Doomsday perfectly. Ben during the fight is unable to hurt Hulk. He admits that Hulk is stronger and bigger than him. He even screams out that he gave it all he got and that he was about to black out. The last punch defeated the mind controlled Hulk that was bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Does Ben have dynamic strength?

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Isn't that sort of in line with Superman and Doomsday's case?
See above, Superman is unable to hurt Doomsday throughout multiple issues.
Yet, at the end of fight, a battered Superman punches Doomsday to death in like 4 pages. While Doomsday was getting stronger before the end of this fight

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Originally posted by carver9
He couldn't beat this version of Hulk before, mind controlled or not, he was still getting destroyed.

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With regards to your Superman scan.....

You want to take it at face value, yes? You are saying he had nothing left in the tank, correct?

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Originally posted by carver9
Lol... yes, that's my point. Ben doesn't have dynamic strength.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Sounds like PIS, then. Because you're now saying....Ben *didn't* win a clear victory here?

Either he did, or he didn't. And either Hulk is more powerful in this comic, or he isn't.

If he IS more powerful (and I agree with you, Carvy!) then it can't possibly be a clear victory for Ben. Unless....it's PIS. Nice scans, though.

But as I was asking:

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So...you're saying it's simultaneously is dynamic strength(increase in power levels) but not dynamic strength?

Does that make sense to you, Carver?

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Originally posted by carver9
That's just ONE of the scenes with a far weaker, near depleted of power character beats a stronger, far more powerful character. Ben admitted during the fight Hulk was more powerful and stronger (even while mind controlled), and he still managed to beat him. Hulk at one point said he couldn't feel Thing punches. That he gave it all he got. That he was on the verge of blacken out. Physical damage and a hole in his face. Lol... the point is, shit like this happens all of the time. That does not mean a character has dynamic power. 🤣🤣

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Originally posted by carver9
No, what I'm saying is, the heroes win and a hero defeating the enemy while beaten up and bruised is pretty freaking common in all stories.

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Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I don't have to say anything, Superman literally said he had NOTHING in the tank...

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Any other Marvel character, you would be drooling over this statement.

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Originally posted by carver9
He is tired, depleted, and out of strength as per his own admission. It's literally right there on page for you coming directly from his own mouth.

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

In short, whether Superman is tired out at the end of fight or not isn't the point. The point is Superman's drastic change in power levels(I.E, dynamic strength)

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Originally posted by carver9
He is tired, depleted, and out of strength as per his own admission. It's literally right there on page for you coming directly from his own mouth.

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

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Originally posted by carver9
Or reserves. Couldn't be anything dynamic since he died right after that last punch. Another scene of a character down, out, and bruised taking out a more powerful opponent...

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Originally posted by carver9
Or reserves. Couldn't be anything dynamic since he died right after that last punch. Another scene of a character down, out, and bruised taking out a more powerful opponent...

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OK, you want to take it at face value - he had NOTHING in the tank.
So can we substitute The Penguin in there? Riddler? Alfred? Dead Alfred?

You are so hung up on this, you don't realise the stupidity of focussing on the hyperbole of it all.
Do you literally think that Superman had NOTHING (emphasis) left? Don't try to be a coward, stand up for your beliefs here. You read those words and think yes, Superman had NOTHING left?

This is obviously false, as he could literally still swing his arms around. He could obviously still kill Doomsday. Their last punch could still send shockwaves around the planet or whatever.

Or are you saying Superman, at 0% power, is capable of doing all that? Pretty powerful, indeed.

The point here is that at that moment, he WAS at 0% power, then suddenly ramped up to 100%/X%and killed Doomsday.

Because YOUR logic, is that Superman at 0% power, can kill Doomsday. If you want to argue that Doomsday was weakened by then, sure - could Aunt May, at that instant, also oneshot Doomsday? Remember, Doomsday also has dynamic strength- or are you quibbling that too now?

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yet, Superman, while at his full power(at the beginning of their fight), can't hurt/weaken Doomsday. While Doomsday is getting stronger
But Superman kills it by his reserves in 4 pages?

So by this logic, a 100% Superman can't hurt a 100% Doomsday. But later, a 1% Superman kills a 1000% Doomsday in like a few punches?

Does this make sense to you?

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Originally posted by carver9
Or Superman was holding back and became serious when he knew what was at stake (and him being the only hero standing). Just like the Ben scans I posted. When he was fresh and at 100%, he couldn't hurt Hulk, but when he knew what the cost was, while hurt, exhausted, near passing out, he was able to knock out Hulk. The scene is literally identical to the Superman and Doomsday fight.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, so now you just ignore the scans presented which explicitly TELL US that Superman's powers are dynamic? Nope, not going to let you off that easy:
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(It's from AoS #636 if you care to look for yourself, since you read so many comics.)



You're trolling harder than normal lately. Just stop.

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Originally posted by carver9
Or Superman was holding back and became serious when he knew what was at stake (and him being the only hero standing). Just like the Ben scans I posted. When he was fresh and at 100%, he couldn't hurt Hulk, but when he knew what the cost was, while hurt, exhausted, near passing out, he was able to knock out Hulk. The scene is literally identical to the Superman and Doomsday fight.