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Ushgarak
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Well, obviously we mean 'werewolves', they aren't literal man/beast things.
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Jul 25th, 2003 07:42 PM |
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Mytholically speaking - Ush - if a silver bullet hits a Vampire in a waning gibous moon, then it can kill by mental state leaving the body relatively un marked - of course - mytholically vampire don't turn to dust unless by sunlight and if they are a decendant by CD.
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Jul 25th, 2003 07:49 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Silver is NOT a traditional killer of vampires, Minxy. Maybe in some obscure versions of the myth, but not in classical ones, which is what is important here.
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Jul 25th, 2003 07:55 PM |
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bigbadbike2
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The first I heard of silver killing a vamp was in Blade, but that movie is definatly not traditional.
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Jul 25th, 2003 08:24 PM |
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Ikobe
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Silver bullets kill werewolves, assumedly when the silver's melted down from a religious symbol.
~Iko (who is a furry genre artist and knows these odd things)
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Jul 25th, 2003 09:52 PM |
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Metroplex
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That was in Enter the MAtrix. Did anyone see Dracula 2000? in that movie they explained that vampires are afraid of silver, but i dont think that Cain and Abel are vampires since in ETM, they went in sunlight in the prison stage(i think) unless sunlight rules dont apply.
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Jul 26th, 2003 03:11 AM |
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nickjs21
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it's simple.
no ifs ands or buts, cain and able (the two men you're talking about) are werewolves, redeclipse. that's official information, not guessing. but not werewolves in the traditional sense. they are all programs. the werewolves, the vampires, the whole lot of them -- all renegade programs. they aren't really the actual creatures we associate with werewolves and vampires through folklore. according to the movies, those stories are based on people who saw these renegade programs doing strange things. i.e., not being killed by anything but a silver bullet.
darkmage, i should have worded myself better. they are programs, not "creatures." just like the merovingian.
i do agree that persephone's role is probably very similar to her namesake. but she could still be a vampire.
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Jul 26th, 2003 04:50 AM |
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nickjs21
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am i making sense? it might not be as simple as i understand it to be.
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Jul 26th, 2003 04:50 AM |
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RedEclipse2007
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Nick, I agree with you. I was just wondering if their actions that were witnessed by other people of the matrix were the cause of the myths. That might have been confusing. Here, this might be better. Where those two the cause of the myth of werewolves? That is better. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks again.
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Jul 26th, 2003 06:30 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Somehow I don't think Dracula 2000 counts as 'traditional' myth...
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Jul 26th, 2003 01:04 PM |
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i like the idea of the whole ghosts n vampires thing in Reloaded
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Jul 26th, 2003 01:38 PM |
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nickjs21
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probably not the cause themselves . . . that's hard to say. and really a moot point. you start to think maybe they've been around since way back when werewolf stories first began spreading, but then you remember that the matrix is set in a specific timeframe and so that would be impossible, and then blah blah blah. then we'd just be reading way too much into it. so who knows how the myths started? it's not that big of a detail to concern yourself with.
btw, was dracula 2000 the one where the very first vampire turns out to be judas from biblical times? that movie sucked.
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Jul 26th, 2003 04:25 PM |
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Matrixrabbit62
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Each program in the Matrix has a code.These werewolves you see in the movie have a code and it is disrupted by certain items like bullets,etc.But the Mero and Persephone are old programs in the Matrix therefore they have seen the last One's that have failed to save Zion as the Architect had said.   
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Jul 27th, 2003 06:10 AM |
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rysdigital
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Jul 27th, 2003 10:50 AM |
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The matrix at the very longest run between 1900 and 1999 – what the machines want humans to think is the height of their civilization (and well, since the war between man and machine supposedly broke out sometime during the 21st century there wasn’t a whole lot more to pick from. But then, we get the history from Morpheus, and his facts may not be completely accurate).
So the myths and legends of vampires, ghost and werewolves were already present. The system probably just adjusts to renegade programs, to make them fit a description that humans may scoff at but at least know.
Conversely the Matrix is NOT reloaded back to 1900 when it restarts, but progresses into another century. That would mean the 1st Matrix ran through the 15th Century. However that seems to contradict agent Smith from M1 when he talks about “the beauty” of the scenery he watches while interrogating Morpheus.
And as was stated: Traditional ways of beating werewolves is silver. Traditional ways of vanquishing a vampire is a stake, holy symbol or sunlight.
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Jul 27th, 2003 12:39 PM |
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gnosticAgent
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Good catch on the werewolf symbolism. It fits. I didn't catch that 'til I got here. My first impression was the computer related meaning for a silver bullet - a global fix. I thought I was missing something about the vampire movie, silver bullet, and shooting "difficult to terminate programs."
Now lest we not forget what the Architect said: (to paraphrase) You are the sum of and unballanced equation....of human experiences. This gives the Wachowski's free reign on anything in recorded history (that had survived up to the time the machines took over). Hence, myths are free for the taking/incorporation.
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Oct 16th, 2003 05:22 PM |
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wow this thread is old!!
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Oct 16th, 2003 05:28 PM |
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JediHDM
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Sorry if this has been stated, but i dont feel like reading all of the posts, so...
Persephone is an emotional vampire, and if i remember correctly, so is Mero...
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emotional pincushion more like
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Oct 16th, 2003 06:09 PM |
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