I like to think of each movie being 'great' in their own respects, and also in the way they advance a story, and still make a pretty decent attempt to stay 'true' to the events of the first, while also staying committed to the idea that the future is not set, that some alterations can and will affect the way things happen, and possibly why they happen, and sometimes when they happen... but still, in the end, the future fate of man is sealed, and it all DOES happen, which still holds true to the basic idea of Fate as being, well, Fate... I dunno about ranking one movie in a 'successful series' vs another of the same series. Times change, budgets for films fluctuate, up or down, actors, directors, writers etc... come and go... then come back and try to make up for going away in the first place, etc etc...
All the Terminator movies are GREAT in most respects, while seeming cliched and trite and carbon copies of themselves and of other man vs machine, futuristic sci-fi actioners...
just my opinion... I could be wrong... (probably not!)
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T 1 was the beginning of it all. even though the graphics are crap it was the original idea, it had good acting, something that T3 didn't. I love T1 and 2, but for originallity i love T1. T2 is enertaining to watch, and has both aspects of T3 and 1 -the acting and special effects. But number one is the best. 2 follows closely. 3 is left behind. - KKsMt
I can see your point actually. When it comes to utilising the CGI recources, T1 would probably win. Cos lets face it, in those days the CGI technology was a joke. I would still put T2 at number one though, T3 is last by a country mile.
Note: same post as above, but with corrections, since the 15 minutes I got to edit my post ran out, I had to post it again. Could a mod or admin please delete my original post above.
As others have said, T1 was was just raw, everything from the predominantly dark setting, Arnold as the horrifying bad Terminator, a kick ass Kyle Reese, a vunerable Sarah Connor who we see grow and those excellent flashbacks of the war torn future. The whole time travel element is always an intriging device to use, but no film has pulled it of like Terminator (which of course set up the whole series), with it's paradoxes (which is most evident in T1, if you've seen the special edition DVD with the deleted scenes), characters, stroy, just everything.
The film was a sci-fi, that boarded on a horror, with excellent action, a great story, with even a hint of romance.
Now we go into T2, with a budget many times over that T1 had. Special effects were undoubtly awesome, we're intorduced to a young John Connor (we also see an awesome grown version of him in the future), Sarah Connor's transformation into a military minded heroine in complete and of course, Arnie comes back as a good Terminator to protect JC. T2 is unquestionably a classic, but lacked the rawness of T1, but I suppose it was always going to lose that with the bigger budget. I loved how the roles were switch from T1. I mean we got the main villian from T1 who is now the main good guy (or machine I should say), the new bad Terminator is what James C. orginally wanted the Terminator to be (a non-descript man who you wouldn't give a second look to), Sarah becomes to John, what Kyle was to her in T1. It's amazing stuff. T2 was basically what T1 was (but with a bigger budget) but without the rawness amd instead of romance, we get try humour in it's place. T2 wrapped the whole stroy up perfectly, ending on a positive note, which is why partly way I hate T3 so much.
T3, well I'm not gonna say too much but I hated it. They took the dry humour from T2 and turned it into slapstick, they made John Connor lame, Kate Brustier (sp?) is a very poor replacment for Sarah Connor and I basically hated just about everything about it. Only the T-X was decent and I'll admit the ending did surprise me, but even that renders the ending of T2 to be meaningless, which they shouldn't have done. Basically T3 to the Terminator series is what DBGT is to DB and DBZ.
Vvvrulz - you may have noticed that I've been posting here a lot over the past few days. And the reason for that is to accomplish precisely what you suggest - to take this forum out of the funk that it's been since June ...
I realise that I'm leaving soon, but I've also started something here - something important. It's now up to you, and other fans like you, to carry the torch, and to keep this forum alive. I promise you that if you do, then one day this forum will take its pride of place amongst the others here at the KMC.
So let us begin ...
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