Silver Surfer strength comparison.

The Surfer seldom engage in physical strength feats but usually comes out on top when he does, it's been said that he can induce his power cosmic to rival the Hulk's incalculable near limitless strength, don't know how accurate that really is but at his strongest with the PC how does he match up against these people using strength alone..........

Superman- regular and sun dipped.
Hulk-any version
Thor- regular and warrior madness.
Juggernaut-strongest version.
Capt. Marvel ( Billy ) DOV version
Thanos- strongest without infinity gems.
Darkseid- version that tank JL's strongest blows
Gladiator- going in over confident.
Hyperion- who punched Hulk back into Banner.

Spidey level

https://i.postimg.cc/VLKqD8X8/powerlevel2.webp

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Spidey level

https://i.postimg.cc/VLKqD8X8/powerlevel2.webp Spidey don't know what he's talking about, LOL.

https://i.ibb.co/PcmwM9G/RCO016-1468806689.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/PcmwM9G/RCO016-1468806689.jpg I think just about everyone on KMC has acknowledged that that was POS writing, C9 has sworn that SS allowed BP to do that to him so that he could learn their plans as he says.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Spidey level

https://i.postimg.cc/VLKqD8X8/powerlevel2.webp Originally posted by lawest9
Spidey don't know what he's talking about, LOL.

According to him, Surfer doesn't have his speed either. Sounds about right

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
According to him, Surfer doesn't have his speed either. Sounds about right
This was confirmed in Spider-Man 26 (1992) as well.

https://imgur.com/CPpy7ra
https://imgur.com/xyVE9Ca

Spider-Man is forty times as fast as normal humans and it makes him much faster than Surfer.

Go to the strength column of Surfers res pect thread to see his feats

No.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No. Yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This was confirmed in Spider-Man 26 (1992) as well.

https://imgur.com/CPpy7ra
https://imgur.com/xyVE9Ca

Spider-Man is forty times as fast as normal humans and it makes him much faster than Surfer. This also confirms once again, that Aunt May is another tier entirely.

Aunt May =Mysterium.

Dr Strange was unable to use his magic to save her.

Noone with super strength has ever broken her.

She does not set Spidey's SS off.

Confirmed.

No Speedster ever blitzed her.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/PcmwM9G/RCO016-1468806689.jpg
That scan rightly deserves to live in infamy on these forums. People complain about the Spider-man/Firelord fight but at least it was explained on panel (by Firelord himself) that Firelord was purposely holding back.

Surfer isn't physically stronger than anyone on that list.

Also nice of Abhi showing Pete dancing around Hulk with his 40 times human reflexes.

Sorry Carver if Pete can do that Supes definitely can. Considering Supes is millions of times faster at the minimum over Pete.

Originally posted by zopzop
That scan rightly deserves to live in infamy on these forums. People complain about the Spider-man/Firelord fight but at least it was explained on panel (by Firelord himself) that Firelord was purposely holding back.

Surfer admitted he allowed Panther to do that so that he can get some information from him.

So much for this much vaunted Cosmic Awareness that Surfer has.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer admitted he allowed Panther to do that so that he can get some information from him.

Not really.

That's a myth, McDuffie tried to make excuses for himself. He just wanted Panther to be badass and wasn't interested in anything else.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.

That's a myth, McDuffie tried to make excuses for himself. He just wanted Panther to be badass and wasn't interested in anything else.

Wouldn't that type of hold be effective against the strongest if they were relatively the same size? Being pinned in that kind of way, defies strength, because in practice it uses the person's strength against the person. Don't believe it? Look at Gordon Ryan, he made the strongest man in the world tap. It had nothing to do with strength. Demetrius Johnson a guy weighing 140 lbs at about 5'3" recently defeated a 6 plus foot 300 plus pound man.

Black Panther in that scene used one of those exact moves. The Surfer could have gone intangible at any time, which begs the question of who was actually in control?

Physically however, without using his powers, he was legitimately pinned.

Originally posted by Stoic
Look at Gordon Ryan, he made the strongest man in the world tap. It had nothing to do with strength. Demetrius Johnson a guy weighing 140 lbs at about 5'3" recently defeated a 6 plus foot 300 plus pound man.

Black Panther in that scene used one of those exact moves.
Physically however, without using his powers, he was legitimately pinned.
My brother in Christ, the difference in strength between the two is/was exponential. This wasn't two human beings fighting (no matter the size and weight difference). Surfer has a CL70-100 strength. This was a human being vs a cosmic entity that has superhuman strength. And this assumes Surfer would just keep if physical, he could have let loose an omnidirectional blast from his person and literally fried Black Panther. Everything about that fight is 100% bullsh|t.

For reference, the SPiderman/Firelord "fight"
https://i.postimg.cc/Tyrfm2wX/image.jpg
FIrelord could have ended Spiderman whenever he wanted.

Silver Surfer can account for access and adapt so that his strength is concentration. Then he can burn through steel with a thought. Captain Marvel might be able to concentrate her power of a white hole and equal a Hulk induced strength that wins the fight. Carol Danvers is strong.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wouldn't that type of hold be effective against the strongest if they were relatively the same size? Being pinned in that kind of way, defies strength, because in practice it uses the person's strength against the person. Don't believe it? Look at Gordon Ryan, he made the strongest man in the world tap. It had nothing to do with strength. Demetrius Johnson a guy weighing 140 lbs at about 5'3" recently defeated a 6 plus foot 300 plus pound man.

Black Panther in that scene used one of those exact moves. The Surfer could have gone intangible at any time, which begs the question of who was actually in control?

Physically however, without using his powers, he was legitimately pinned.

The strength disparity, as Zop says, is astronomical. Surfer's pinky twitch would turn humans into a pink mist, assuming he's as strong as they say.

I'm really beginning to wonder at some people's grasp of magnitudes here.

Originally posted by zopzop
My brother in Christ, the difference in strength between the two is/was exponential. This wasn't two human beings fighting (no matter the size and weight difference). Surfer has a CL70-100 strength. This was a human being vs a cosmic entity that has superhuman strength. And this assumes Surfer would just keep if physical, he could have let loose an omnidirectional blast from his person and literally fried Black Panther. Everything about that fight is 100% bullsh|t.

For reference, the SPiderman/Firelord "fight"
https://i.postimg.cc/Tyrfm2wX/image.jpg
FIrelord could have ended Spiderman whenever he wanted.

Not physically though

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Silver Surfer can account for access and adapt so that his strength is concentration. Then he can burn through steel with a thought. Captain Marvel might be able to concentrate her power of a white hole and equal a Hulk induced strength that wins the fight. Carol Danvers is strong. OK, but understand that the Captain Marvel that I'm using here is Billy Batson in his suped up form that took on the Spectre in the 'Day of Vengeance' arc, NOT Carol Danvers.

A white hole can be extreme and break the record. Carol should go the distance. She can do things that are seen so that her feminine intuition breaks the mold.

DS and Zop, strength really doesn't matter when a person has no leverage. In that scene, in order for the Surfer to free himself, he would have had to dislocate his shoulder and pop the capsule in his elbow to free himself.

Let's say that you two are correct and I'm wrong, no one could ever prove it because such a disparity has never existed. You could be correct. However because of his humanoid or human anatomy, Black Panther sought to exploit conditions that would make it literally impossible for Norrin to escape without doing extreme harm to himself. That exact pin causes the person who is pinned to exert force upon their own joints in order to escape. The stronger the person is, the more pressure that there is to exert upon their joints. In short, the pain of escaping is greater than the tolerance that one can take in order to proceed with the escape.


The Surfer escaping on sheer brute strength alone would make less sense imo.

The Surfer at any time could have released an AOE, or become intangible to escape, but he was pinned.

Black Panther even mentions Surfers VASTLY superior strength. This isn't a strength ft for BP.

AOriginally posted by Stoic
DS and Zop, strength really doesn't matter when a person has no leverage. In that scene, in order for the Surfer to free himself, he would have had to dislocate his shoulder and pop the capsule in his elbow to free himself.

Let's say that you two are correct and I'm wrong, no one could ever prove it because such a disparity has never existed. You could be correct. However because of his humanoid or human anatomy, Black Panther sought to exploit conditions that would make it literally impossible for Norrin to escape without doing extreme harm to himself. That exact pin causes the person who is pinned to exert force upon their own joints in order to escape. The stronger the person is, the more pressure that there is to exert upon their joints. In short, the pain of escaping is greater than the tolerance that one can take in order to proceed with the escape.


The Surfer escaping on sheer brute strength alone would make less sense imo.

The Surfer at any time could have released an AOE, or become intangible to escape, but he was pinned.

Lmao.

Why can't he just straighten his right arm? The amount of pressure BP is exerting on that shoulder joint - compared to a star, or a black hole, is nothing.

The whole point of the hammer lock is that it decreases the amount of strength and opponent can bring, true - but even 1% of the amount of strength a guy who has supposedly infinite Power Cosmic strength, is, well infinite.

Agreed, but comics are comics after all. Look at Batman's feats and he doesn't have super human strength like the Black Panther does. Batman pulls the impossible about as often as Spiderman does and that shouldn't be a thing, but it is.

According to the writer, the Surfer was physically pinned because that type of hold can not be brute forced out of. I am not being ignorant to what you are saying, I'm saying that an individual placed within that hold can not generate the necessary power to break out, due to physical limitations.

But the Power Cosmic is infinite, no? Physical limitations be damned.
I guess this is a clear case of it not being infinite.

I think McDuffie wanted to show us that BLM > Power Cosmic...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But the Power Cosmic is infinite, no? Physical limitations be damned.
I guess this is a clear case of it not being infinite.

You do know every character has showings that contradicts their power, right? Do you honestly do this with all characters or is this a Surfer thang?

Originally posted by carver9
You do know every character has showings that contradicts their power, right? Do you honestly do this with all characters or is this a Surfer thang?

I'm not saying it's valid lmao.

Stoic is saying it's a valid showing. I'm saying it's stupid.

Do you just try and argue against me without actually reading what I type?

Yes

Lmao. Then go for it, argue against me. Tell me how it's a valid showing, Carvy.

There you have it, folks - Carver thinks it's valid that BP can put Surfer in a hammerlock, no context needed

As Pr said:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, Carver is a troll. Also, water is wet, etc.

Upload all of the MMA knowledge that exists on earth into a normal 4 year old child. Then have that 4 year old try and put me in a sneaky 'inescapable' armbar. Even though the child's technical skills would be superior to mine, there is still a vast difference in strength that technique alone simply cannot make up for. I'd just straighten my arm, and throw that kid into a wall, ftw. Leverage advantage (or w/e) doesn't mean shit when you're just that much stronger than your opponent.

...Then remember that the difference in strength between myself and a 4 year old is still orders of magnitude below what the difference in strength should have been between Surfer and BP. For example, I obviously would not be able to toss that same 4 year old from the earth to the moon, whereas Surfer logically could do something like that to BP.

tl;dr
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying it's stupid.

Originally posted by Galan007
Upload all of the MMA knowledge that exists on earth into a normal 4 year old child. Then have that 4 year old try and put me in a sneaky 'inescapable' armbar. Even though the child's technical skills would be superior to mine, there is still a vast difference in strength that technique alone simply cannot make up for. I'd just straighten my arm, and throw that kid into a wall, ftw. Leverage advantage (or w/e) doesn't mean shit when you're just that much stronger than your opponent.

...Then remember that the difference in strength between myself and a 4 year old is still orders of magnitude below what the difference in strength should have been between Surfer and BP. For example, I obviously would not be able to toss that same 4 year old from the earth to the moon, whereas Surfer logically could do something like that to BP.

tl;dr
The sad thing is, there is a MUCH greater gap between Surfer and Panther than you and the 4-year-old. MUCH greater.

Originally posted by Galan007
Upload all of the MMA knowledge that exists on earth into a normal 4 year old child. Then have that 4 year old try and put me in a sneaky 'inescapable' armbar. Even though the child's technical skills would be superior to mine, there is still a vast difference in strength that technique alone simply cannot make up for. I'd just straighten my arm, and throw that kid into a wall, ftw. Leverage advantage (or w/e) doesn't mean shit when you're just that much stronger than your opponent.

...Then remember that the difference in strength between myself and a 4 year old is still orders of magnitude below what the difference in strength should have been between Surfer and BP. For example, I obviously would not be able to toss that same 4 year old from the earth to the moon, whereas Surfer logically could do something like that to BP.

tl;dr lol, right

Start by picturing a lanky 13 year old trying to hold Dwayne The Rock Johnson in an armbar.

Now ask yourself what's wrong with the picture.

Originally posted by Galan007
Upload all of the MMA knowledge that exists on earth into a normal 4 year old child. Then have that 4 year old try and put me in a sneaky 'inescapable' armbar. Even though the child's technical skills would be superior to mine, there is still a vast difference in strength that technique alone simply cannot make up for. I'd just straighten my arm, and throw that kid into a wall, ftw. Leverage advantage (or w/e) doesn't mean shit when you're just that much stronger than your opponent.

...Then remember that the difference in strength between myself and a 4 year old is still orders of magnitude below what the difference in strength should have been between Surfer and BP. For example, I obviously would not be able to toss that same 4 year old from the earth to the moon, whereas Surfer logically could do something like that to BP.

tl;dr Great analogy Galan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Do you just try and argue against me without actually reading what I type?

My yes is to this, not me validating the showing. Lol

Originally posted by carver9
My yes is to this, not me validating the showing. Lol

So just trolling, got ya

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Getting that high on during a Sunday afternoon, eh?

If the strengthening is dialectical you can be a true believer.

Then you can accelerate and finish for the better.

Originally posted by lawest9
I think just about everyone on KMC has acknowledged that that was POS writing, C9 has sworn that SS allowed BP to do that to him so that he could learn their plans as he says.

POS writing mean piece of shit writing?

who is C9?

are you speaking in tongue?

Originally posted by MrMind
POS writing mean piece of shit writing?

who is C9?

are you speaking in tongue? Are you hearing tongues? C9 is Carver9

We had words about this, lawest. Don't stick your tongue in guys ears, unless they consent.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We had words about this, lawest. Don't stick your tongue in guys ears, unless they consent. Just keep yours clean ok.

Lawest, to be clear, no, you cannot stick your tongue in my ear

Originally posted by Galan007
Upload all of the MMA knowledge that exists on earth into a normal 4 year old child. Then have that 4 year old try and put me in a sneaky 'inescapable' armbar. Even though the child's technical skills would be superior to mine, there is still a vast difference in strength that technique alone simply cannot make up for. I'd just straighten my arm, and throw that kid into a wall, ftw. Leverage advantage (or w/e) doesn't mean shit when you're just that much stronger than your opponent.

...Then remember that the difference in strength between myself and a 4 year old is still orders of magnitude below what the difference in strength should have been between Surfer and BP. For example, I obviously would not be able to toss that same 4 year old from the earth to the moon, whereas Surfer logically could do something like that to BP.

tl;dr

McDuffie didn't even stop there.

No, Surfer failed to stop Panther with the other (free) arm, too... and T'Challa threatened to tear his arm off.

Hell, imagine a backwards headbutt, or Surfer kicking Panther's shins.

Now imagine those blows delivered with class 100 strength or whatever.
It would be like kicking a strand of dry spaghetti .

Yeah. Or just flexing his muscles, really.

However, don't forget how physical strength (or combat prowess) is not really Surfer's thing, unless we focus on his very few high showings of that kind.

But he's definitely quite invulnerable and the most basic shoulder lock that elementary school kids are familiar with shoudn't have had incapacitated him so easily.

Not to mention any of his exotic abilities.

I don't think the ranking within the group is in order. Of all the things to attempt to point out....

That list is from the 80's but your point still applies Stoic.

why is She-Hulk hitting on Spider-Man

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


I don't think the ranking within the group is in order. Of all the things to attempt to point out....



Homo Erectus AfricAnus

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Homo Erectus AfricAnus

Racist white deluded guy. Stilt you're still a flake. Then again, like so many whites, it's a part of your culture to hate anyone that looks different from yourself. You'd think that cowards like yourself would keep a firm lid on that type of thing.

You're the one who came up with that "Homo Erectus Africanus" nonsense, not me. Cry more if it makes you sleep better at night

Originally posted by Stoic
Racist white deluded guy. Stilt you're still a flake. Then again, like so many whites, it's a part of your culture to hate anyone that looks different from yourself. You'd think that cowards like yourself would keep a firm lid on that type of thing. What's interesting is how many of them try to point the finger of bigotry at us, some time back I created a thread called 'Black Panther vs Black Lightening' and they accused me of making a racist thread because of the characters names and I'm a black man myself, it was really sick of them.

Silver Surfer is just as strong as the elites.

Originally posted by carver9
Silver Surfer is just as strong as the elites.

What about Thing and Colossus? Are they as strong as the elites?

Originally posted by h1a8
What about Thing and Colossus? Are they as strong as the elites?

Neither of them are as strong as Surfer.

Originally posted by carver9
Neither of them are as strong as Surfer.
Thing is stronger.

No he's not.

Yes, he is

Originally posted by carver9
Neither of them are as strong as Surfer.

Ok prove that Surfer is physically strong as the elites.
What feats are you basing this on?

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok prove that Surfer is physically strong as the elites.
What feats are you basing this on?

Him physically beating Beta Ray Bill into submission (who destroyed a planet comics before). Comics before this, Bill withstood a Black hole, a planet exploding on him, and Stardust unleashing on him.

Fights don't always determine who's stronger, as PIS exist in comics.

Same way it doesn't determine who's faster.

Originally posted by carver9
Him physically beating Beta Ray Bill into submission (who destroyed a planet comics before). Comics before this, Bill withstood a Black hole, a planet exploding on him, and Stardust unleashing on him.
He still couldn't break Ben's grip in his own comic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fights don't always determine who's stronger, as PIS exist in comics.

Same way it doesn't determine who's faster.

Even aside from PIS... physicals are all nice and good, but they don't win fights on their own. Plenty of other factors involved.

Originally posted by carver9
Him physically beating Beta Ray Bill into submission (who destroyed a planet comics before). Comics before this, Bill withstood a Black hole, a planet exploding on him, and Stardust unleashing on him.

Originally posted by carver9
Him physically beating Beta Ray Bill into submission (who destroyed a planet comics before). Comics before this, Bill withstood a Black hole, a planet exploding on him, and Stardust unleashing on him.

I knew you were going to say that.
Trapped you.
1. Surfer pieced him with the board prior. That greatly contributed to putting BRB down. Imagine getting hit with a nigh indestructible object traveling at great speed (possibly well over light speed). That would do some major damage to most Herald level beings. So the feat is Unquantifiable. Unless you think SS can do that to BRB without FIRST hitting him with the BOARD (which contradicts Surfer's whole career).

2. Plus that was a one off showing. I can one use one off showings for both Thing and Colossus. For example, Colossus and Thing have either put Hulk down or did some major damage to WWH. Hulk > BRB physically and both didn't have the luxury of hitting Hulk with a board prior lol.

3. Characters durability/strength etc fluctuates from SCENE TO SCENE in comics. You can't cherry pick a character's best showings and equate that to any other showing. You can only use a character's average when using ABC logic. Otherwise I can say Colossus withstood planet destroying forces when he fought Gladiator since Gladiator was shown to bash a planet into pieces.
I can say that anyone who ever damaged Superman equates to them overcoming his best feats of durability (black holes, stellar forces, etc).