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This has prob been discussed before, but the "Yoda" in ep1 doesnt look as good as the Yoda in empire and ROTJ, I cant seem to put my finger on xactly wots wrong, but its sumthin to do with his face. Any thorts?
Plus, Theyve tried to age him backwards, but for gods sake, the force empowered Muppet is 900 years old, how much could he have changed in appearance in 30 years?

He looks different because they needed him toi do more than he did in ESB, but a lot of people have taken issue with it, yeah.

The rapid relative ageing may seem odd, but it's a big old galaxy... maybe they are fine for centuries then rapidly age those last few decades?

They had to make him younger (d'euh!!) And that was the result, I thought his hair and and certainly the EYES (I mean the bones around his eyes) are not good. That is the big difference

I thought he looked older than he did in ESB and ROTJ. I think he looked better the first time around.

I don't think so! He is in TPM so ugly!!!

btw: they also changed a little bit of his forehead

do you think well see him get jiggy with yaddle

I didn't even know till a little while ago that Yaddle is a female

I didn't like the TPM puppet either. They completly changed his nose and eyes. The original puppets eyes were modelled on Albert Einstien but they seemed to forget that in TPM.

They based the eyes on someone else, also a big shot but I can't remember who

The eyes in TPM?

yep

stephen hawkin maybe

I don't think it is that one, I thought I knew the guy but I don't know who you're talking about

stephen hawkin is the greatest brain on earth you know the wheel chair guy that was on the simpsons


we must keep talking

I don't know

The greatest brain on earth but we know him as "the wheel chair guy on the Simpsons".

i know sad isnt it

Maybe we should send a memo to see if we can get those eyes changed back

If he has Einsteins eyes in OT and hawkins eyes in TPM, wich eyes would he have in AOTC?

Homer Simpson.

George W. Bush?...

Dim!!!
In case you didn't noticed: Einstein is smart and the otherone is smart, so in conclusion Yodas eyes in AOTC must be from another smart person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying he isn't smart?

Oh no! I insulted homer simpson

I know I know!!..I'm bad!...

How bout Ghandi's eyes?..(is that better, yerssot? )

Ah.....Ghandi.........he is that guy from South Park, right?

BTW: wich eyecolor does Yoda have?

Gandhi? I like it!

I think they're green/brown.

It's green, I checked

Where did you check?

There is a picture of Yoda on the net, were he points his finger at you with his speech, you can clearly see green eyes

BTW: Yoda DOES disappear WITH his clothes on:
the blancket is pulled against his chest but you can clearly see that his clothes disappear

Best not read too much into that.

In 1983, the fx would be good enough so they could 'strip' him from his clothes, if neccasary

They may not have had the time nor inclination to bother, or it was a simple mistake (not the only one in ROTJ!). Really, I would NOT read too much into it.

Why not?

Perhaps the disappearance of Obi-Wan whitout his clothes, THAT was poundering Vader, ... could be, right?

hey remember that song
hes got betty davis eyes

maybe he could have hers

Well, if we can make assumptions based in that then why can't we assume that Vader disappeared?

SHE`s got Betty Davis eyes, not HE.

aaah but if yoda did theyd have to change the lyrics

Dim, that's because the relation between a ghost and disappearing aren't fully proven. But you can say that OB1 disappeared and he became a ghost, same with yoda. But you don't see Vader disappearing and that's the problem.
Ush and I agreed that Vader DID disappear (for example; watch the burning at the end of ROTJ, the mask of Vader is almost lieing in his helmet, indicating no-one is in the suit+ everybody at sw.com and lucasfilm is saying it, but that's not the same)
BTW: his costume isn't natural or handcrafted, it's a difficult high-tech suit, so it didn't dissappear BUT Annakin (not Vader) DID appear with his clothes on at the end of ROTJ.

That's just my point..you're allowing some assumptions but then when it suits you it seems like you want something to be fully proven before you accept it.

That's because everything has to be 1OO% correct, GL can still change his mind about things, he can say that QGJ disappeared but we didn't saw it. (btw: he isn't coming back as a ghost: watch it at the database of sw.com he is only there at epI but Obi who dies in ANH is also in ESB and ROTJ)

just because he's not in the database doesn't mean anything, do you think they would have told us that vader was Lukes dad in the databases in the eighties, by not putting it in the database leaves it open for an inclusion in the next 2 films and making it more of a surprise.

Exactly. I did not agree on Vader disappearing, because I did not see it happen. What the relationship between disappearing and ghost appearance is, must be revealed in the next two episodes. There is no proof QGJ will appear, but there is also no proof that he will NOT appear.

And I second Dim in her remarks, she's quite right.

If QGJ appears, it will have to be in Episode III. Liam Neeson is not scheduled to appear in II, correct?

Correct.

Sandy there is a big difference between a huge spoiler in the '70 by saying Vader was Lukes father, and saying one will return. I for one know that QGJ won't appear for the reason that Neeson isn't casted.

That still doesn't prove the darnest thing. Who says QGJ is not scheduled to appear in EpII???? Did anyone of your read the script or something? We don't know if he appears or not, that's it.

Then they've put Lian Neeson on the cast-list, wouldn't they?
btw: I've read the scriptment, so I'm a little bit in the advantage.

Liam Neeson himself said he wasn't in it. He then said he might be in Ep3. If it was a big secret then surely he'd sayhe wasn't in any of them.

So with that he isn't in EpII or EpIII

Well when he was interviewed it sounded like he expected to be back at some point but didn't know when.

Okay, yerssot, I was the one who sent you the scriptment, so where's the advantage, hmmmm???

Next, if QGJ's appearance is to be a surprise, they wouldn't put him on the cast list right now, right? And as for Neeson, don't forget these people have to sign certain secrecy papers. Perhaps he was not allowed to talk about it.
All in all, we don't know anything unless official sources openly DENY his presence in the film and until the movie comes out.

The cast list at the Official Website is hardly complete.


Infact, I don't think they have a complete cast list for ANY of the Star Wars movies if you check.

Thank you RC!

i doubt on rotj cast list they had "and playing anakin skywalker, Darth Vader"

Indeed. It doesn't prove a thing.

But if Neeson had to keep it a big secret then why would he say he might be in Ep3? If it was a big secret then he should have just said he won't be back, rather than adding to the speculation.

I thought he would be back but now I don't.

He also said he might be back but that he didn't know when. So where does that put him? Anywhere or nowhere. It is of course possible that they did indeed film his lines during TPM.

So it's all a big secret?
That's why he said that he maybe could return in EpIII

Look, we may not have no PROOF that Liam iscoming back, but that;s hardly the point. You have no proof that he is and we can't just go around assuming things just because of lack of evidence otherwise; that's not how it works at all.

With everything we have before us- e.g. Liam diretly saying that he ISN'T in it (if he was bound by a contract he would have just avoided the question), the only reasonable assumption to make right now is that he is not back.

We'll see if this changes.

Oh, you're no fun anymore.

Yeah, I'm sorry, it's hippo-withdrawl...

We need you get some more hippos then.

Why?, they're so gross..

What? you're not a hippo-freak?
shame on you

Looks like Dim declared war on Ush.

I'm ready for ithttp://www.themelee.com/smilies/s/cwm/3dlil/lurk.gif

Ooohh... there is such evil in the world...

And now I'm nice, otherwhise...

Hand me some of that Belgian popcorn, yerss.

Does anyone has some soda?
*hands some popcorn to queeq*

Yes but I'm not sharing.

Than it's NO POPCORN for you

Let the war begin. The one between Dim and Ush, that is.

Hey, who cares what Yoda looks like? Yoda rules.

He's green.

The word "d'euh" cames to mind

I think Yoda is the greatest character to come out of the saga. He's the coolest little guy.

He's a tiny green dude, runnin' around, stirring up trouble, and moving s%#t with his mind. What a great concept! I'd love to sit with Yoda and chat, while we smoked huge cuban cigars.

You do know we will see Yoda fight Dooku, jump through the air, land on his shoulders, jump off again..... we are all so worried.

Land on his shoulders??? Shouldnt be to hard to finish him off if you stand on his shoulder.

Well, he jumps off again. Sounds like the Muppet Show.

Where did you get the part of Yoda running around? I thought that he walked with a stick...

Nope, read the scriptment again, yerssot. He FIGHTS Dooku, rescuing Anakin and OB1.

I was talking about the OT

I am more horrified than worried.

You never know. Maybe if GL sees the finished scene he may find it ridiculous as well.

I heared that the scene would be included if the fx were good, otherwhise he would cancel it.

Well, there you go.

to where?

Where did you hear that from, yerssot?

Don't know anymore, got it a long time ago.
It was I guess from someone working with FX, who got it from a guy from Lucasarts or whatever.
GL wasn't that satisfied with Yoda and his stick at the end of TPM, before the celebration; and then he dropped a line like;
"If it doesn't get better, Yoda will force-push him in a pit, otherwhise Yoda will fight"
PS: The battle-ending is between Yoda and Dooku and ends with the force-push, with Dooku dieing.

If there is to be a Yoda fight scene, they shouldn't use special effects. They should put Mini-me into a Yoda costume and let him whop some ass.

I hope you didn't disrespect the not-so tall ones in this world, they are also very important

I don't dis-respect anyone.

then it's ok

I wonder if that spoiler is correct, yersott. The spy reports I've heard so far is that Dooku reports to Sidious after the fight, reporting that the war has begun.... the Clone War that is.

What I heard he tells us that in the middle and then the big battle comes...

i'd rather have dooku die by anakin thrashing him with palpy watching him and then anakin turning to sithdom at the very end of the film, that would lead nicely to ep3. Perhaps anakin referring to palpy as master

Nah, that won't happen. Dooku'll probably cut off half Anakin's arm...

Everybody thinks that's going to happen, but I'm not sure

something needs to happen like that or else ep3 is going to be too cramped full of events. anakin needs to at least have nearly turned by the end of ep2.

McCallum said that at the end of EpII Anakin is sort of at the crossroads, where he could go either way.

Does that mean anything? I mean he isn't Vader but has he done some bad things already or...?

Well, he carves up a bunch of Tusken.... so rumour has it anyway.

I think at the end of Episode II, Anakin will not be turned at all (that we will see, anyway). I think he'll be completely in love with Padme. I think his mother will still be alive. And I think very few Jedi will have been killed, if any.

I don't care what any spoilers say. I think GL throws people 'curve balls' and then comes out with something totally different.

Shmi dies. And Anakin turns in EpIII.

BTW: do Annakin and Amidala marry?

I have no idea. I wouldn't think they get married. It's probably against the Jedi Code to have a wife.

it is, but would GL say they have children and didn't married

Yeah, why not? What does he care?

it's not his style

yup

Anakin and Padme marry at the end of AOTC. Defiance runs strong in this line of padawans...

are you very sure about it?
never had any indications to that

I think this was even confirmed by McCallum. But it's strong rumour confirmed by many sources.

Yeah, it's been widely accepted.

See! Even Dimmy concurs, and that's rare.

If even Dim excepts it, I must admit that it will be in the movie, wich I always thought it was.

I don't think they will or won't get married. But if they do, I don't think it will be in a movie. Think of how much a wedding would slow the pace of the film down.

In TPM, there were ver few times when Lucas slowed things down, I certainly don't think he'll do it for a 20 minute ceremony. Even if he cuts the ceremony to the important parts.

Of course, it could be the last scene of AotC They get married, knowing that Padme is pregnant!

perhaps in the yellow text in EpIII?

maybe

I seriously doubt Padme will be preggers when they get married. For one thing I don't think the timing's right.

Ye, in reality, they don't know each other very well at all. But I guess that wouldn't stop Padme from getting pregnant, if you know what I mean.

There'll be about a year between AOTC and EpIII, so that'd mean Padme conceives before EPIII begins. No way people, Anakin must fall first and then even her pregnancy is hidden from Anakin.

Your probably right.

Why must he fall first? He can make her pregnant, than go on a mission and falls

yerssot, I agree with you. He has to fall, after they have fallen in love and concieved the kids.

Sorry, I meant give birth.... not conceive.

I think Anakin falls right AFTER Padme gets pregnant, before even SHE knows.

I really really wanted to coment on your post queeq, but the better side of me won

Sorry...

queeq-

I think everyone will know when Anakin falls.

When he does fall I think everyone will indeed know... *sigh*