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What is the exact cause of vader's death? Was it the Emperor with the force lightning? Was it Luke cutting his circuits along with the hand? Something else?

If the removal of the mask killed him, why was he going to die anyway? What did it?

The lightning was too much for him to handle. He took a much higher dosage of it than Luke in a much shorter amount of time, because the Emperor was panicked.

the lightning killed the suits circuits and his life support failed him.

the lightning damages the body by superheating the bones, which is why vader's bones glow. It melted the prosthetic he has at C3 (3rd vertebrae on his spine, where his neck is broken, again this info is from the enhanced shot from TFN) so he had difficulty breathing and could not move without Luke's aid. He needed a high pressure, medicated atmosphere to survive after inhaling volcanic ash. By removing his mask, luke euthanised him instead of having him go through the slow and painful ordeal of superheated bones and a broken neck.

yup, probably the lightning, cause he wasn't in pain after the duel with luke

Ultimately it was a lack of oxygen to his brain that got him...

that or he was tired getting laughed at by the stormtroopers

again Darth Jello, info from that other site is not info from Lucas himself. and that whole pressure thing is what "his life support failed" meant in my previous post. the lighting killed the suit, the suit kept Anakin alive, no working suit, no working anakin. It wasn't the lightening alone because Luke took just as much and was okay.

vader took more, his bones were hot enough to glow, luke's weren't

it seems obvious that the effort in throwing the emperor into the shaft and everything around that event eventually killed him

Its weird because its a very important event in the saga but we dont know what the exact cause is. If us fans dont know for certain then nobody knows.

good call finiti. We know what happened Dirty, we don't need complete medical records unless you want each little cut and scrape of every character. We saw what we needed to see. We all understand enough that the scene is not confusing. Thats all we need.

just go to the site and examine it critically. theforce.net, technical commentaries-injuries of darth vader

ok look. i don't know how many times I'm gonna need to repeat myself here, so I'll just be blunt. I apologize in advance if this is offensive. That is THE MOST inconclusive CRAP evidence to support ANY indication to what Anakin's injuries will be in Episode 3. There are too many filmmaking factors (screw ups, guess work, flaws in the final product as opposed to storyboard) to make ANY judgement based on that. All that scene means is he is getting ELECTROCUTED TO DEATH. It wasn't meant to give you a glimpse of injuries and as such can not be treated as evidence for his injuries. Until III opens, or the really good spoilers hit, we will have no good evidence to what it is that happens to Anakin, too many major scenes have been given new context because of the prequels to take that little glimpse of his skeleton any creedence. BAM!

case closed

I know what killed him - Gearge Lucas, because it was good for the story...

well, what would have happened if he had lived? He'd be put on trial and executed by the alliance, and luke would be exiled as a traitor for supporting vader.

if Vader had lived he would have lived as Anakin, not many left alive if any besides Luke and Leia knew Vader real identity

true, he wouldn't have been executed

Yeah, Luke would have hidden him away, probably on Dagobah.

well, the emperors force lightning shooting through vaders severed hand probably played a role in his death.

I'm not dead

I'm not dead either, I'm resurrected and I am now an even more dirtier version of you.

yeah you havent cleaned your self for decades you bum

yeah, um, I've been meaning to mention Dirty, you might want to get those infections looked at....or clean your helmet once in a while

Dirty has plenty of other meanings. heheheheheeeeee!

dirty-vader, pretty randy for a guy with fried tater tots

The amount of Force put into the lightning that jolted Vader was greater than that of going to Luke. Palpatine was looking to torture Luke, and kill Vader. Vader had enough reason to carry on while jolted, which is why he went. The jolt however fried his suit and all it's cool workings.. =o

Therefore, no Anie. =o

Oh.. and there are plenty that knew Vader is his father.. the students of the Jedi Praxaeum, Mara Jade.. =o

hmm, i think somebody's gonna get flammed for EU stuff.......

If he does, I'll smack whoever flames him.

oooooooooooo

We are united Vengeance in the war against anti-EUism.
EU! EU! EU!

this is Star Wars movcie section , THE REAL AND ONLY TRUE STAR WARS not lala land so stop draging EU stuff into the movie section

Well, there we go.

*smacks Finti*

I'm here partner
*kicks finti real hard in the nuts*
"Serves you right for flaming EU"

*pulls lightsaber, decides not to waste the effort, points and laughs as finiti force chokes you two into unconciousness*

Ok look. I once thought the same way you to did, and then I realized, so do Finiti and Yerssot, only they realized that to analyze the film, you can't bring in stuff Lucas didn't personally write because its suspect. Circumstantial evidence. Other intpretations. That's why they have a forum for it. We can make all the EU/Film connections in there (which I like doing too) but when discussing the film you only have Lucas to go by, because only he knows whats next for SW. he could throw all the EU out tomorrow COMPLETELY if he wanted to. And I'd have a whole shelf full of fan fiction that is no more valid than me writing a book of "Vader and the Emperor on Holiday". If you want to know where the cars going, don't ask the passengers, ask the person who's hands are on the wheel. they don't hate EU. they know that some do but some don't. We all know the EU contradicts itself. And as such, should be treated as a hostile witness.

and do you see how many fights it causes? thats the main reason to ban it in my opinion.

your all still in LA La land I see

very well put mephisto

I think they are strictly anti-EU meph, which is completely different to the way you caracterised them in the last post. They hate EU. They call EU "crap" in their posts. I agree with you of course. And if Lucas decided to dissolve EU, he would be making a big mistake and would encounter a lot of enemies. I for one would be one of them.

I think that using the abbreviation "meph" should also be banned. It sounds like somehting else and makes me laugh

I don't think he'll ever disolve it. but just out of curiosity I would like to know which ones best represent his vision to him, in his own words. And I don't think they totally hate EU. But even if they do, there are other people in here who feel the same way who love EU, but who also understand the basic debate process and standards.

Let's put it this way, you could basically call EU "Legends of Star Wars". They're cool, but they're not completely factual since we don't know what Lucas likes and what he doesn't. I for one am not going to argue specifically what should be in and what shouldn't be because I could stand up for something Lucas finds abismal. It's his baby.

well the EU books I read up until shield of lies were all, in my mind, piss poor stories so I cant stand the Eu I have read

why don't we just bring every EU source to a vote. cannon or not?

mephisto> Just because Lucas created the star wars universe doesent mean that he should automaticaly be the only writer in it. You refer to him as if he were a god. He's the master of the franchise not the god. So because Lucas might not like what is in EU, it is a legend inside the star wars universe and doesent exist as real fact. Well in that case he should not have licensed the books, comics and video games that make EU or if he did, he should've monitored it personaly.

EU has expanded the star wars universe in a far greater way than Lucas could ever do by himself since he only does films. All the backgrounds, stories, technology, weapons, ships that the EU has created could never have been acheived by Lucas himself. And these things are what most sci-fi fans including star wars fans love. Lucas needed many people to do all those background stories and everything mentioned in the previous sentence who are all part of EU. How do you know that the tie fighter uses solar energy and stands for Twin Ion Engine or what the emperor's name is which has been used in Lucas's Canon prequel movies mind you.

I have nothing against lucas, after all if it wasnt for him there would never have been a star wars universe to expand on, but since thee prequels everything has been messed up and the EU/Canon debate wasnt needed since everything sticked together.

why should we need to know what TIE fighter stands for, EU is for those who wants more info. EU isnt needed and never was needed for the SW saga it is just extra material for devoted fans.

i never said he should be the only writer. and yes, sorry, but he is god of his own little universe because he created it. you speak as if you should own a piece of it as if it were owed to you. i say he needs to officially approve stories to make them canon. which, at the moment, he doesn't have time to do. i love a lot of the EU. I have tons of it. They are great stories, but Lucas can drop a whole story with one simple plot twist in the films. Thus making whatever we'd heard in EU "legend" like Boba's background that just got tossed. And yeah, I'm not pleased when that happens, but its his story not mine. And not anyone elses. Like Finiti said, for those of us who want more, who want to know the exact measurements of a TIE fighter its there in the EU. Probably why he lets it get made. So fans quit asking him stupid questions at Sci-fi Cons like, "In frame 247 of real 8 luke had a grey stain on his shirt, in frame 251 it is gone. What does that mean?" now we have EU to explain every crack in every wall, every dent in every helmet, and every crystal in every lightsaber.

elegant reply meph

Meph, I think you're confusing us with the Trekkies. Most SW geeks I know understand filmmaking techniques, and therefore realize that when, for example, Boba's antenae switches sides it's just because the original shot had him looking in the wrong direction.

oh please. didn't you just hear the debate about analyzing a couple frames of Vader being electrocuted and how it will somehow give us insight into the extent of his injuries after his duel with Kenobi? Don't hand me that crap. We all do it from time to time. That's what happens when you're really into something and have been so for 20 some odd years. You kinda run outta new crap to say. I'm making the point that it would be funny if that's secretly why he lets it go on unchecked. So he doesn't have to spend his every waking moment dealing with it.
And you know there are fans like that out there. the only reason we get to mock the trekkies is because they have MORE of them. But both sides have overobsessed fans. You can sit on here for a couple days, s#!+...a couple hours, and figure that out.

Eh. Possibly true. What would be amusing is to ask GL for some of the really really stupid questions he's gotten over the years.

i would love to hear that! I'll bet he gets 100's of letters a day about stupid crap.

EU must take some of the blame for all the stupid questions

guys, this is not the EU Crap section, keep it on EpIV-VI!

any thing else about Vader and his death

It was probably a combination of the force lightning and the radiation (or whatever) that came up from the shaft. By the way, what difference does it make what the EU says about it? What difference does it make what the EU says about anything? As I recall the origin of Boba Fett was explored quite a bit in the EU. We all saw how much of that was true, didn't we?

that wasn't radiation, it was the emperor dying while spraying energy all over the place. That was just a very Lucas/Speilburg light show so you KNOW Palpy's dead.

And Finiti- no.
I don't see why there was even discussion on this. He got hit by lighting, shorted out his life support, and he dies. Why was that so hard?