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I was under the impression that Organa would play a large role in the next film but Jimmy Smits said other wise. In an interview that his character played only a small part but that he loved the honor. Now is this Lucas's doing trying to throw the fans off? Or is this true?

I was also under the impression that Bail would play a large role, kinda of like Solo in ANH. Lucas hinted he'd come in as the been there done that loose cannon and veteran, who compliments the refined/reserved Queen and the brash/youthful Anakin(like the Han, Leia and Luke trio). However I think that OB1 kinda took over that role, and Lucas(who originally wanted to cast an energetic unknown in his late 20's, like Ford) diminished the role of 44 year old screen veteran Smits b/c Ob1's role grew from what he originally intended it to be. Weather this means Kenobi will be involved in some sort of love triangle, like Leia, Luke and Han were in the second film, remains to be seen. I hope not though, as the love scenes should be kept as a simplified backstory,as they were in ESB.

Thats how I want the love scenes to be too, but I don't think they will be. I think love will play a huge role on Anakin's life and it seems it won't just be him in love. Owen and Beru might also fall in love in Episode 2 rather than already be married and like possible rumours suggest, Amidala and Bail may fall in love after Anakin has turned to the Dark Side.

I think, though I can not substantiate this, that Smits has done Episode-II to introduce Bail Organa as he will have much bigger role in Episode-III.

This is why I don't think we will see the Clone wars in Episode-II unless they start right at the end of the film.

I think if we see that conference on Malastare we might see the event leading up to and the start of the war..

I doubt Bail will marry Amidala. Remember Luke asking Leia in ROTJ: "Do you remember your mother. Your REAL mother." That indicates Leia had a foster mother, which then should be Bail's wife and thus someone else than Amidala/Padme.

And I too believe Bail will have a bigger role in Ep3 as the Clone Wars will probably start somewhere at the end of Ep2. Another quote to substantiate Bail's importance DURING the Clone Wars: "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars." That's when things will pick up that will put Palpy on the throne and where Bail's importance in the Clone Wars and consequently the Rebellion will increase.

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That's a good point. Nobody has mentioned who Leia's foster mum is.

One story that I heard in the past was that leia's real mother (Padme) served as a lady in waiting (handmaiden) to the foster mother in order to be near her child but was killed or died at some point.

Anyway, this would link in with Padme's modus operandi of taking on a role as a handmaiden to hide and protect herself.

That whole scenerio just makes me really said...which is good...but not really..you know what I mean.

I think I read somewhere that the Clone Wars have already begun during the course of TPM. But we won't see any of it until the Jedi take part in it. So while watching TPM you can think to yourself, "Ooh, the Clone Wars are taking place somewhere out there." Isn't that nice....

I think the Clone Wars will kick off in EpII, around 1 hour into the movie.

Just like that, eh? I wonder... it might be closer to the end really, so much of the Clone Wars can take place between Episodes.

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No, not "just like that." I think the film will start off with crisises in many places that will begin to escalate. I don't thonk our heroes will become really involved immnediatey though. This may be the cliff hanger ending.

The Clone Wars will be taking place throughout all of the movie but does not come to any importance until maybe half way through like Ratcat said. I think perhaps the Sith will get involved with a certain group in the war (Mandalores?) and this will therefore cause the Jedi to get involved and so the Clone Wars will become a much larger more important event in the Galaxy.

As DD says. To expand on what I said earlier. I think they will almost be considered inconsequential as they start but then rapidly escalate, dragging in more and more planets and people.

Why would it be going on? Aren't we supposed to find out what the clones are for, why they are being used instead of battle droids and all. The storyboards showed some super battle droids. They obviously don't make it into the Empire, so that's where the clones come in, I think. And then something must go wrong with these clones or there should be some major resistance against clones and that will have to escalate first. I don't think the Clone Wars are going on somewhere in Ep2, I think Ep2 will show how they start.

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Incidently, they probably won't be called "The Clone Wars" in Episode-II. Most wars in history that have started small and escalate aren't named until they are well under way or sometimes once they are over.

Good call, Ratcat. But the cause of these wars have to develop first and I think that's what ep2 will show.

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That's it exactly. I think we're on to nsomething here. Mr Lucas, are you listening.

Eerrrr.... what are we on exactly?

queeq out

The clone wars, oh do try to keep up.

Sorry, massa.

I know we're talking about Clone Wars, but what exactly are we unraveling that Lucas is supposed to know.or was that more of that hidden cynical humour of yours. You'll have to excuse me, someone appropraitely nicknamed me queeq the Gullible.

queeq out

Touche!

Well basically how, when, where, why and who.

But what are we on to? Or did I miss something again?

queeq out

I don't know, I'm kind of a little lost now.

I think we've got to.

Clone Wars won't be called the clone wars in itially.
They start in Episode-II at some point but are rather small to begin.
They escalate and the Jedi become involved towards the end of EpII.

Okay, never mind then.

I agree with things we have so far. Let's go from there.

*shakes head*

queeq out

OK, time to get DEFINATIVE!!!

In the new Episode-II feature on Original Trilogy re-re-release George Lucas states that the Clone Wars start in EPISODE-II and that Anakin finally turns to the darkside in EPISODE-III.

I guess that's pretty conclusive.

Yep. Read that. It's pretty much what the clever ones among us have been saying all along. Ep2 shows how the Clone Wars get started. Most of it will probably take place between episodes. This way Anakin can show what a great hero he is and whu he is the greatest star fighter pilot that ever lived. And THAT is we he cannot turn until Ep3. Thank you, George Lucas, for clearing that up.

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Do you think we will even see the Clone Wars end? Perhaps they continue after Episode 3 and dont finish until maybe 10 years in between Ep 3 and 4.

We may do, I believe that it is the clone ways that Palpatine uses as his justification for the Storm troopers. Ironic huh?

I think that we will see the Clone Wars end. They will obviously start in Episode II and I think end at the beginning of Episode III, Anakin will be some big hero that ends the war and his head becomes big, and he thinks OB1 is jealous or something, creating a further rift between them.

Wasn't the a quote from Rick McCallum about Anakins fall being the result of what happens when someopne thinks they are better than they really are?

I think we will see the Clone Wars end as well. And that quote can refer to things happening during the wars. something will happen that will cause a rift between OB1 and Anakin. If this quote refers to OB1 then I have grave doubts about his status as hero in the saga, though. Won't he be the ultimate loser then?

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Yay! Anakin goes in with all the bravado like "Hey, I'm the chosen one, I can't die, there's a prophesy you know."

Obi Wan is all like "Hey, chill Ani, don't be such a hot head."

Ani comes back with "Shove it you hasbeen, I'm gona stick my saber up your..."

Well, you get the idea.

You obviously had a peek into the new script. Do you know more? At least the dialogue has improved

queeq out

I agree with this Anakin thing. It is his own goodness that makes him bad if you get what I mean. He is TOO good and he takes advantages of his powers by using the Force for evil.

No, I don't get that. I can imagine him being very good in the sense that he is a very good pilot and a great Jedi. But I believe he gets disappointed in people, like Jedi, his master, Padme. And probably not always justified. His desires for goodness and justice may bring him to the point that he wants revenge for what injustice has been done unto him. He is not seeing things straight, though. His anger will blind him.

queeq out

Hmmm...yes, possibly. What I meant was that Anakin is so good that it makes him big-headed and egostatical. He believes he is to good to turn to the Dark Side and so he is not careful with the joices he makes, believing that nothing bad can happen to him because he is the Chosen One. However, he doesn't think before he makes decisions and this ultimately leads to him doing wrong things and eventually fighting Obi-Wan and joining Palpatine.

DD, I think queeg has a point.

Also though I think that there may even be some relation to his past and the way he left Tatooine.

What I mean is that telling a 10 year old he's the "Chosen One" is bound to make him a little big headed. Nopw I canb't recall a scene where it is mentioned to him directly in TPM, but I sure bet it comes up sometime in his training.

I agree. They should just treat him like a normal Jedi and just try to forget that he's the Chosen One. That way, destiny may have taken place easily coz Anakin wouldn't have become so over-confident with his powers.

I think they will, but once he has that thought in his head, it's there to reek havok!

"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded." Ok I guess that doesn't quite connect with how Anakin uses the Force, but ya never know, Obi-Wan probably gains all those knowledgable lines from his past adventures.

damn those people at Lucasfilm for casting Jimmy Smits!!

REEK havok? What does that smell like? LOL

DD and RC, I think we are agreeing on it. Anakin could indeed get a little too bold for his size. If he finds himself so great and good, that means if someone like Ob1 has a different opinion Anakin might feel wronged. Maybe both arrogance and anger will blind him. And arrogance first.

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<DD, queeg and RC sit down to smokem biggum peace pipe>

Merc, what wrong with Jimmy Smits? I'm kinda open minded
about him have never watched NUPD Blue or anything else with
him in for that matter.

Does he suck that bad?

I've never seen him either, but he won emmy awards or something,
so he can't be considered a bad actor.

Really? I wonder how he'll do?

There's hardly been any info on him at all. Everyone's seemed
to have taken little notice of him. I wonder if the official
magazine or site will interview him and he may give away little
hints about his part.

Jimmy Smits is too old

For what?...He's no older than Liam Neeson, Alec Guiness and Chris Lee...what could you think he's too old for?...you don't even know what he'll be doing characterwise in the movie..

Yeah, I don't see why he's too old. He should be about the same age as Obi-Wan(mid 30's) and thats close to what Smits looks like. In the OT he had to be in his 50's. I really don't have a problem with Smits, on his tv shows he did a good job.

He'll do fine...(plus he's cute )

Cute? Hmmmm, is that your type?

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He looks anorexic from what I've seen of him.

soory, yet again, another drinking fest turned me into a goomba

George Lucas looks anorexic.

Uma Thurman's anorexic

Huh?...anorexic?...I don't think any of them are....

And queeq, you know my type...I don't think he really fits it...almost...but he's not goofy

am I your type Dim??

I don't think you are, JediMercenary, you're being a little too pushy. Ratcat's more her type, I think .

queeq out

Hmmmmm.....

I wish I could be anorexic, just for about 8 weeks or so....

Dim won't mind that. She cares for personality....


PffffffffffffWooooohahahahhahahahahaha

queeq out

Hey!!!
I don't want any scrawny guys...they break too easily..

now, back on topic

Excuse me, but how did this start and on what basis???

I think Dim said she thought Jimmy Smits was attractive and then a short discussion revealed that she likes you the most out of the forum members.
But then I wouldn't trust me because I'm a crazy squirel-eating maniac who nobody likes except for Princess Leia coz I married her during the fifth season of the Roman egg thrower.

That must have been before someone deleted the discussion because i can't see it.....

Oh and BTW;

PLEASE!!!!!! GET REAL OUT THERE PEOPLE!!!!

Sorry, it's quite late here on Juicy Beaver World - Err, I mean England.

Don't I know it, and my heating has turned off so I'm freezing. If I could just drag my self to the bathroom and hit the control I could be nice and cosy again.

Only 43 minutes until a brand new day.

Half an hour left and there'll only be - what - 34 days till Christmas? I can't wait. I wish I could get Obi-Wan for my PC though. That doesn't come out till Spring next year though. Dang.

It's not coming out at all now.

TFN just posted up a report, confirmed by Lucasarts that OB1 for the PC has been permenantly SHELVED. They will now develop it for a "New Generation Console" only, but have not said which. I reckon they've signed a deal with Nintendo for the Cube or something which gives Nintendo the exclusioves on it???

Really? Double Dang!
Perhaps it will be released on the X-Box. It's probably easier to port it onto that.

Apparently there's not much to port at ths point, all those screen shots didn't have much to back them up in the way of solid programming.

That really sucks! I have been waiting for a sequel to Dark Forces for so long. I mean, The Phantom Menace game was fun, but not half as great as Dark Forces. So now we have to wait another two years before they develop something else.

Triple dang!

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I assume yopu mean Dark Force II. Did you play both the original DF2 abd the Mara JAde add on?

Obi-Wan's been cancelled for the PC...and RC, why in the world were you yelling?

Yelling? I don't get that...

Yes, RC I played all of them... several times. Of course I meant DFII. A sequel is a sequel, after all. And I know they proceed for PS2, but I don't have that and I had no intentions of buying a machine like that just for playing games. I like fooling myself with a PC by thinking that you can also do other things with it, aside from gaming.

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Exactly. I have a N64, but we only bought it recently from my son cos he loves playing Pokemon.

I haven't found a game yet that didn't look better on a PC with a decent 3d card, cpu and memory.

Only problem witha PC is that I can't find a controller that I like.

I know for a fact that I will not by a console just because one game is only available on it.

I'm willing to bet that OB1 will make it onto the PC after it's console debut.

Dim, OK, so I was stressed, what can I say.

You could say: forgive me, pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaasee!

Well, I guess I'll have to wait until my kids are older and buy a PS2 for them as an excuse. hehehehe.

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Well mine's only 4! But then he has his own PC too. And I tell you something, a PII300 with 256MB fam and a 4MB ATI rage plays the Teletubbies game really well.

My oldest is 2,5 years old and plays Teletubbies too. Well, I play it and he watches. Especially the little films. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Hope he masters the mouse soon.

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Just the right age for a PS2 I would say.

Oh come on. I'm trying too keep him away from the television set as much as I can. 15 minutes a day, tops. he is very fond of books and reading. I prefer him to do that and not turn into a TV- and gamesjunkie like his dad.

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Fair comment, looks like you face the same parental dilemas<sp> that I do. Oh I feel so less alone.

I fear you two are fighting a losing battle..

We may lose the battle, but I won't lose the war... yet.

And thanks for your confidence Dim. Talking from experience?

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Nope, I just mean that it's natural for kids to be enthralled with media...either way I'm sure you guys will raise great kids

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First you put us down and then you suck up

Nice try but no cigar

queeq out

I have no kids yet, but I'm only 20 so I can wait a while still. I'd rather travel the world before I start my own family.

So you have all these wonderful stories to tell by the fire? Pursue your dream, hope you succeed. If you don't do it now, you will be a lot older when you get another shot at it. (Boy, do I sound like an old fart )

queeq out

It's true. By the time my children are legally able to look after themselves I will be 50!!! That is depressing. But it Ben is anything to go by I will have 2 kids to be proud of.

I wanna be the wise man of my family when I'm old. Kind of like this wise old shaman that everyone looks up to.

(cough,close this topic, cough)

No mods til Monday, unless UBH or Raz pop up.

I think this line of discussion has reached a messy conclusion though.

No Mods?! Wow, let's boost this thread up to 150 posts. This is the time for rebellion! Join me and together we will rule episodeii.co.uk...

queeq out

Actually episodeii.co.uk is a completely different site. This is Episode-ii.co.uk.

One little hyphen can make a lot of difference.

Anyway, I think boosting posts like that will just upset things.

I move that we try an get all topics back on track or abandon the ones that have hopelessly lost the point and start some new ones.

Oh, you're no fun anymore...

queeq out

Well, you know me, just trying to keep Dim happy...

Yes, I noticed that, how keen you are to keep her happy. I thought you were married...

queeq out

IF THIS POST GOES TO 150 I'M GONNA SCREAM!!

Well there's only another 51 posts to go then. Size matters not.

100 POSTS!!!!

queeg, yes I'm married, what's that go to do with anyth..... Ah, I see what you're saying. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT="">

Somehow I don't think Dim would be overly impressed with the implication...

Anyways, you'll never make 150. Raz or UBH are bound to stick the head around the metaphorical door at some point this weekend and that will put an end to you little operation real fast.

Well I guess, if you had the time, someone could just keep posting over and over again, post after post. That would work. But they'd probably be told off.

They'd probably end up with a time ban on this forum too.

They're not THAT strict are they. Besides, it's NOT a "little operation", we just continue posting in the threads we like. I can't help it that no mods are around and I didn't make the "no more than one hundred posts to a thread"-rule either.

Banning anyone for posting seems unnecessarily violent to me.

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Well, it's a violent universe out there.

Anyway, I saw a picture on Jimmy Smits with a goatee yesterday, do you think he grew it to play Bail Organa?

I hope so. A Beard bears great relevance to Star Wars. I belong to a cult that believes the Beard in Star Wars represents utter goodness. I am a Beardi knight like my father before me.
Bail is known to be good, so a beard (or other form of facial hair) is a necessity for his character to be true to his nature.

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Christopher Lee will probably have a beard I reckon. That would suit him if he is to play a Jedi (if that is indeed what he is going to play).

Yes, Lee has a beard. Or a big goatee to say the least. I've seen spy pics of him in costume.

So, we could be pushing this thread a little harder if we want to reach 150.

queeq out

Closing topic...