Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Sifo-Dyas

Is the mystery of Sifo-Dyas explained? Is he someone we know? Is he alive? dead? Is he GG? Is Sidious?
This is one of my Favorite things about Episode III. I do not want to spill it all. You all know him.

Oh lord, please give a Sifo-Dyas hint! Or at least narrow the field to three or something. I don't want it spoiled, but I want ot at least limit my theories to a small group.
The only thing I can say and sorry this is in a weird form: To make those 'pocketbooks deeper', someone had to pay for something. And make promises they had to keep.

Was GG Sifo-Dyas?
No

Was Syfo-Dyas killed 10 yeards before AOTC? Or was Obi-wan lying? Or was he talking in code?
No Codes. This statement is true from Obi-Wan's point of view.

Tarkin

Is Tarkin in or out?
Tarkin is in folks.

Does Tarkin have any dialogue?
yes

The Twins

but does Beru name Luke?
No, but she is there when he is named.

Does Sidious threaten Anakin like Vader threatens Luke... Saying if Anakin does not turn to the dark side, then maybe his child will? Is this the reason Vader turns when you said he turns to protect his kids? Does that make the scene in ESB awkward (Sidious saying Luke needs to die, Vader saying he should be turned instead?)
No threats are needed.He does not turn to protect his children, please read that post again.

Would you if you knew he turned evil to protect your unborn Children?
Let me say it another way to be clearer. Padme knowing Anakin has turned against the Jedi, fears him, she tries to protect her children from him by hiding out. That of course fails.

Y-Wings

Y Wings act as escorts for the Blockade Runner's escape to Alderaan

Yoda

Does Sidious believe Yoda is dead after the duel?
I will address this one. Yes he does. It is a personal observation made by Vader.

But Vader was suited with a saber? And Obi-Wan does see him suited? Could Obi-Wan be present at a second confrontation, but is not involved. Could Vader have a confrontation with Yoda that would lead him to believe Yoda is dead? Could that happen on Dagobah? Could that be why Yoda is left there without a choice?
Now your on the right track, except the Dagobagh part. Yoda is left there for other reasons. I will say this. Many are asking why Luke feels strange there. The answer is Yoda brings the Fear of Vader with him there. That is what Luke senses in Episode V.

Awsome

How do you know this is all true?

If half of it is true then woohoo......

esp the Syfo Dyas bit. Qui-Gon or Dex perhaps (unlikely to be sure)

Still well all know this time next year wont we

Looks good, but naming the source would be better.

This all sounds very cool, i've read some spoilers arount the net and so far they sort of gel together, I'm still not fully convinced about this whole who ordered the clone army bit! it always seemd like a moot point (unless it happened to be revealed that it was like Windu, (which it wont be)) I mean AOTC, Dooku gets Jango, Dooku was a jedi, it makes sense that either Dooku erased the archives or pretended to be Sifo DIas!, - i think its kind of being hopeful to have a major twist, in that sense- - aside from that the rest of the ideas on the page make sense

Who is answering the questions in that interview?

Where is this info coming from?? How do we know its reliable??

Trust me its real, I cant name my source,Sorry.

Oh yeah and one more thing the sifo dyes thing, What if i said qui-gon owed a favor to his master dooku all thoes years ago.........

pfff, you know what that means if you "can't name your source"?:
utter and complete bullshit

how can someone know you didn't wrote it yourself?

Yeah. Sorry, i'm not buying it, not unless I see a source or independent conformation. Some of that info contradicts current spoilers.

This is all info that we've seen already in ne form or another, other stuff could be made up.

Yo Lance Whats up long time no see on the board.

Anyways I wish he would name his source Some it it sounds pretty cool but I will not get my hopes up that any of that is in Episode III.

no one has mentioned supershadow yet.

My, peeps on this board are slipping arnt we... LOL

HAHAHA I was going to say he might be the source but i decided hot to give him the glory of another thread.

some good info, basher.

Hmm...good find, basher. I especially await Dyas's true identidy, though I have a few theories.

and of course, when Grievous comes about

Ok, i'm going out on a limb and say:

Let's say this information IS true. If it is, I'll say this about this quote:

The only thing I can say and sorry this is in a weird form: To make those 'pocketbooks deeper', someone had to pay for something. And make promises they had to keep.


Does anybody recall the thing about Liam Neeson wanting more money than Lucasfilm was willing to pay, so they booted him? Well, if you believe the above quote, then Sifo-dyas HAS to be Quigon Jin.

I can see this. According to Obiwan, he has opposed the council before. So he is a rogue of sorts. This actually makes some sense to me.

corn

And Qui Gon did die 10 years before ATOC in TPM which matches the quote that Sifo Dyas died 10 yers before.

i just have one question for the "genuine" source, what the hell is under grievous' mask?

OK OK Soory ive been a way for a while, Right everyone wants to know my source well its someone called Dark_Knight37 he has told me lots of stuff about eppi 3 and even eppi 2 before it came out and the info provided has always been about 90% accurate. I dont expect peolpe to belive me but i was just doing all you star wars fans a favor and telling you the stuff that im allowed for now..


And one more thing, About the sifo dyse comment, What if i told you 10 years before AOTC doocku asks his former padawan qui-gon for the favor that is owed, And qui-gon had to say yes???????

And now doocku is very upset because he never got to tell him what he knows before he died and blames himself for knowing about the sith and not warning qui-gon..and the rest they say is History.

So I take it, from your unnamed source, that we can take it as read that Qui-Gon is Sifo Dyas.

Would the explanation be then that only non Dark Jedi's can come back as Force Ghosts - or if they have been redeemed from the Dark Side aka Anakin, and something will happen which will redeem Qui-Gon?

And whats all this about the Mechanical Vader fight? Will it be Sidious or Anakin who fights Yoda?

okay- if Sifo Dyas ended up being qui-gon, that would be sweet!, qui-gon doesnt show up as a force ghost, but i've heard rumors, that they need his voice again, though, what you'all think

I could see Qui-Gon being Sifo Dyas, especially since I recall Qui-Gon being noted for his independence and willingness to act without the council's approval in TPM.

i think if qui gon did order the troops he just did it as a favor for dooku and dooku never told him why to do it

I especially believe Qui-Gon is Sifo Dyas. Obi-Wan says in AOTC that Sifo Dyas was killed almost 10 years ago" right when Qui-Gon died. Then Obi-Wan says, "Tell me prime minister, when MY MASTER first contacted you, did he say who the army was for?"

Though that could be wrong though, because Obi-Wan calls Yoda "Master" as well. They call anyone who is higher up then them "Master", but it was just a connection made about Obi-Wan saying that. Again, it could have nothing to do with it.

SMX

lol this was posted by DK_Knight over at tfn and its fake!

Qui-gon can't be, SD, that would make it pretty stupid. If I remember correctly, in Hier to the Empire, there was a Jedi who was cloned before the Clone Wars, and was killed, but later his clone showed up after Ep VI, and Sifo Dyas rings a bell, maybe that's who it was? If so, there's no way possible that Qui-gon Jinn is SD. Did anyone else read Hier? Am I remembering that correctly?

Question: If we are making assumptions on who SifO Dyas can be? what about Palpatine, himself, I know, I know, its not exciting but this person obviously had the finances to pay for the entire clone army in advance ( there was no mention of the cloners being visited inbetween, and no mention of payment owing to them for the army when 0B visited them). being a senator he must have had the resources. Other than that , if it were Qui Gon, it would tie things together, as I would like to have seen him make an appearance before this trilogy ended. Kinda like how OB1 made those apearances ( if only in ghos form) in the Original trilogy

Gah! What nonsense! He was PRETENDING to have been Sifo-Dyas' apprentice!

Anyway, yes, so is the official vibe that this is all a fake then?

do remember that QGJ died EXACTLY ten years ago,
Sifo-Dyas ALMOST ten years ago

..... shock

....hmm

You are thinking or the Rogue Jedi Joruus C'baoth

Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason they come back as ghosts is this..

When you are going to die or before you have to meditate and become one with the force therfore you can become one with the living force, The reason qui gon didnt vanish is that he didnt no the complete way to transfer his whole body thats why you can only hear him and not see him and with obi-wan and yoda they learn the complete way from qui gon in eppi 3 so they can completely become one with the force,, Sorry if you dont get it but im in a rush... BYE

yeah, ok, and I see we have to KEEP saying that it's NOT A KNOWN TRICK

seriously, I want to copy the explanation so next time I just have to past it cause it's tiring.
Vader did not know what happened when OB1 vanished, that means it is not known to the jedi and it is new (as GL also says in the EpI dvd commentary)
it's not about meditating or whatever

mmk, its pretty obvious that Palpatine had the clones ordered, but he didn't do it in person. Palpatine is smart enough not to do anything he could be busted for, thats what all his underlings are for.

Genuine info or not, it makes sense to me.

Palpatine tells Dooku to order the army. He wants Dooku, his new apprentice to do it, since Dooku has ties to the Jedi. As far as the Jedi are concerned, Dooku's not evil, he's just confused or something, definitely not a threat. Palpatine wants the Jedi to order the army so he has something to blame them on later. Remember, he's going to turn on the Jedi when the time is right, so the more dirt he has on them the better. Dooku asks Qui-Gon to order the army secretly, probably telling whatever lie Qui-Gon needs to hear to think its for the greater good. Its possible that Dooku even told Qui-Gon to use the name Sifo-Dyas...though for what reason I don't know.

Sifo-Dyas sounds like Sidious...maybe it was a Sith Joke. That sounds like Lucas' style. Hmm...I have to figure this out.

There's a huge thread on this...Incase some of you haven't visited any of the other SW fourms in awhile...

I think it was Father Christmas. Think about it. He zooms in orders a clone army of elves to help him with his present making but Sidious hears of the transaction and using the force tricks the Kimonans into creating a millitary army of clones instead.

Sounds good to me, Father christmas is a rich old boy, must be to make millions of childrens toys in a huge factory in a secret base at the North pole and he makes NO profit out of it. Must have a few bob in the bank to pay for all that so he can pay for an entire clone army just like that.

Aha, thank you

a) cbaoth died on the Outbound Flight Project thing so thats unlikely and b) I'm not sure that's been "lucasized", if thats a word

if not, it now is

So the dead and burned body of the noble and powerful Qui-Gon Jinn is in the tin can that is Grevious?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Sifo Dyas was a jedi who died shortly after Episode 1.Using his name, Count Dooku ordered the clones at the request of his new master Darth Sidious

So he ordered the clones knowing that they'll turn against the republic eventually right? (AKA Storm Troopers in Episode 3)

Maybe I'm lost, but why would Sidious have Dooku order the clones if they were to fight for the republic, against the droid army, and against Dooku? Or is because of their turn on the republic to eventually help in it's destruction?

The answer is probably obvious and I'm probably missing or forgetting something?

SMX

The point of the clones is so that a legit war starts, in which Palpy can make his bid for power more acceptable to the others in Congress, until it gets to the point where it's too late to defy him in any way.

and the Republic and Empire or basically the same institution, just the Empire is after its full corruption and Palpy's self-coranation to emperor

Oh great point Spearhead. I should have known that. *smacks self in the face*

I guess I didn't look deep enough into it, but that is correct now that I reflect upon the events of AOTC.

SMX

Spearhead explained it well.Also, in Episode 3 the clones turn on the jedi and the republic so palp/sid knew what he was doing all along.Sidious can see foresee what is going to happen.Remember the line at the end of Attack of the Clones?

Dooku: I have good news for you my lord, the war has begun.

Sidious: Excellent, everything is going as planned.

Sidious has been in control the whole time.Just like when he ordered his new apprentice to order the clones.He knew exactly what would be the outcome.and remember, the kamino's couldn't tell if Dooku was Dooku, or Syfo Dyas.They didn't even know who Obie Wan was.They had no way of knowing who was who.I'm sure they were more concerned about getting paid according to Dex.

and the reason why Dooku didn't say, "Hey, i'm Count Dooku, how much for some clones?", is because if the jedi ever found out about the clones, they wouldn't link it back to him right away.If the jedi knew it was Dooku, then they would know he was a sith right away and ruin Sidious's whole plan.

I can't believe I didn't remember those important lines such as "Everything is going as planned." I've seen AOTC like a 100 times. Just some bad remembering on my part.

SMX

Taxi for the Sith Master X !!....

Well again, some really really bad thinking on my part.

SMX