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Which is more powerful and which would you personally rather wield.

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Reported to move.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Reported to move. Pm imp. He will move it.

Moved.

Exalt me, my minions.

ALL HAIL!

Also, depends on the user of LotR magic. Pretty sure unleashed Gandalf or a First Age elf could flatten most users in the Potter-verse.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
ALL HAIL!

Also, depends on the user of LotR magic. Pretty sure unleashed Gandalf or a First Age elf could flatten most users in the Potter-verse. Movies vs. movies only. Sauron counts here as well.

Feel free to weigh in, Middle Earther.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pm imp. He will move it.

Reporting puts some earnestness to it. PMing makes a bit more sense, though. I'll remember that for next time.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Reporting puts some earnestness to it. PMing makes a bit more sense, though. I'll remember that for next time. Everything I say always makes perfect sense.

Now weigh in here.

I disagree.

Umm...well, by lore I think LotR magic is probably more powerful. That said, I'd probably like to wield Potter magic because of its versatility.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I disagree.

Umm...well, by lore I think LotR magic is probably more powerful. That said, I'd probably like to wield Potter magic because of its versatility. Based on what lore in the movie ? Try to be more specific. I know you worship hyperbole but let's debate objectively if you can.

It's hard to qualify exactly how they could defend against each other really. Movie Gandalf erects a shield against the Balrog, but could it block something from the Potter-verse? I don't know enough to say, having not watched the last two HP films.

However, remembering the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort, that was some pretty impressive and quick magic use, so I would have to give it to a higher level HP magic user in a straight up duel.

I like to think I've been doing a good job at objectivity in our debates.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It's hard to qualify exactly how they could defend against each other really. Movie Gandalf erects a shield against the Balrog, but could it block something from the Potter-verse? I don't know enough to say, having not watched the last two HP films.

However, remembering the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort, that was some pretty impressive and quick magic use, so I would have to give it to a higher level HP magic user in a straight up duel. This isn't about how the two interact its about which is more powerful and which do you prefer.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I like to think I've been doing a good job at objectivity in our debates. Objectively speaking you are wrong.

Now, how can you be objective in this context of subjectivity?

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't about how the two interact its about which is more powerful and which do you prefer.

I think I made that quite clear, actually.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It's hard to qualify exactly how they could defend against each other really. Movie Gandalf erects a shield against the Balrog, but could it block something from the Potter-verse? I don't know enough to say, having not watched the last two HP films.

In this part, I noted that I am missing lore from the final two HP films, so my 'opinion' is ultimately uninformed, and I am only weighing in with the caveat of "based on what I have seen".

Second, I've noted that a direct defense comparison is difficult if not impossible; in the Potter films we see mages defend using wands. There's no such parallel in LotR; Gandalf's shield is about it. LotR is a low-magic fantasy setting, where use is epic and rare and typically unexplained. Lore-wise, magic is an innate part of most races except for hobbits and humans, and it's kept pretty nebulous as to how a magic duel would go. In the Silmarillion, which is not movie canon at this point, duels between First Age elves and servants of darkness are typically song duels.



In this point I indicated that because the higher end HP-verse duels emphasize speed and still have impressive showings, it seems logical to conclude that they would win in a typical, quick-draw duel. This is correlated with the above caveat.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Now, how can you be objective in this context of subjectivity? Base it on objective feats, Gwildor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Base it on objective feats, Gwildor.


... says the guy with a Voldemort signature.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
... says the guy with a Voldemort signature. And it looks friggin amazing. Keep your envy in your pants.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And it looks friggin amazing. Keep your envy in your pants.

I actually can make much better sigs, thanks.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2dsfpzd.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cd8zlv.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/5v3bqx.gif

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Also, my previous statement, which you did not address, possibly due to your reliance on an iFail, still stands; we can't accurately predict LotR magic can even defend against Potter magic, so this thread is bust.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which is more powerful and which would you personally rather wield.

I think LOTR magic in raw form is more powerful, and capable of being wielded without use of wands or magic words.

That said if I were to choose, I'd prefer to have Potter magic because its more versatile. LOTR magic seems more geared towards combat.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think LOTR magic in raw form is more powerful, and capable of being wielded without use of wands or magic words.

That said if I were to choose, I'd prefer to have Potter magic because its more versatile. LOTR magic seems more geared towards combat.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I actually can make much better sigs, thanks.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2dsfpzd.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cd8zlv.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/5v3bqx.gif

http://i32.tinypic.com/2lvfz7s.jpg


Also, my previous statement, which you did not address, possibly due to your reliance on an iFail, still stands; we can't accurately predict LotR magic can even defend against Potter magic, so this thread is bust. My sig is ten times better. Nice try.


Ah I see ifail is more or less how you describe yourself. Now I get it.

This isn't about formidability this is about which is more powerful. How don't you get it ?


Potter magic is clearly more powerful.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think LOTR magic in raw form is more powerful, and capable of being wielded without use of wands or magic words.

That said if I were to choose, I'd prefer to have Potter magic because its more versatile. LOTR magic seems more geared towards combat. how is it more powerful ? What does a wand have anything to do with power ?


We see Dumbledore use magic minus a wand too.

So how do you expect people to weigh in on threads when you don't agree with them no matter how they present the argument? Like, can we have a quanchi rubric of how to debate with fallacies?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So how do you expect people to weigh in on threads when you don't agree with them no matter how they present the argument? Like, can we have a quanchi rubric of how to debate with fallacies? I gave my opinion and just because two people disagree Thats what makes for interesting debate. I guess you'd rather have everyone high fiving in agreement.

Now what makes you believe Lotr is more powerful ? Explain.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So how do you expect people to weigh in on threads when you don't agree with them no matter how they present the argument? Like, can we have a quanchi rubric of how to debate with fallacies?

Okay, let me play along.

LotR magic wins because Gandalf is cooler than Dumbledore and Voldemort.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Okay, let me play along.

LotR magic wins because Gandalf is cooler than Dumbledore and Voldemort. Do you think Gandalf is more powerful than Voldemort ?

It's been decided that Potter magic reigns supreme.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which is more powerful and which would you personally rather wield.

How many times are you going to keep making the same thread, shitlip?

Originally posted by Robtard
How many times are you going to keep making the same thread, shitlip? Weigh in. Quit running.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Weigh in. Quit running.

Already have in the other same exact threads you made, dummy.

Just like the other two "which magic is better Potter or LoTR" threads you made, the LoTR divine beings shit all over Potter in this one too.

Now proceed to argue like a fanboy that Potter wins cos it happens to be your favorite franchise, shitlip

Originally posted by Robtard
Already have in the other same exact threads you made, dummy.

Just like the other two "which magic is better Potter or LoTR" threads you made, the LoTR divine beings shit all over Potter in this one too.

Now proceed to argue like a fanboy that Potter wins cos it happens to be your favorite franchise, shitlip Based on what in the movies ? Quit just spouting nonsense and actually debate, Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think Gandalf is more powerful than Voldemort ?



Again, you have Voldemort on that index card you call a signature, so obviously you refuse to accept anything but Voldemort's absolute dominance.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Again, you have Voldemort on that index card you call a signature, so obviously you refuse to accept anything but Voldemort's absolute dominance. How much I like Voldemort doesn't change what he has done in the films. His power absolutely craps all over the guy who hides from orcs in trees and throws burning pine cones at them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How much I like Voldemort doesn't change what he has done in the films. His power absolutely craps all over the guy who hides from orcs in trees and throws burning pine cones at them.



Sorry, but Gandalf the White scares off Nazghul and should he ever use his full power (which he is actually forbidden from doing within the story), he could match or defeat Sauron.

So I don't see your point.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sorry, but Gandalf the White scares off Nazghul and should he ever use his full power (which he is actually forbidden from doing within the story), he could match or defeat Sauron.

So I don't see your point. Aragorn beat the Nazgul by himself with a torch. You're hilarious.


Gandalf had his staff broken by the Witch king. He also frequently runs from orcs and goblins like a coward.

Gandalf was drummed by Saruman. Sauron would wreck Gandalf. He's pathetic.

Voldemort has far more impressive power than a light which runs off Nazgul when a torch can actually defeat them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Aragorn beat the Nazgul by himself with a torch. You're hilarious.

The Nazghul were fewer, not on mounts, and ambushed. Gandalf charged all of them while they were flying while he was himself on a horse.

The point stands.



1. The Witch King is in the throes of his full power and is prophesized to be defeated only by a woman, so this is obviously PIS. Again, I pointed out that Gandalf the White, unleashed, would destroy the Witch King in the absence of plot constriction.

2. When does Gandalf the White run from a few orcs? Ever?



Are you not able to differentiate between Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, and Gandalf the Maiar?

Wait, nevermind. You have a Voldemort signature.



Yeah, he has that flat nose and his phallic wand. Pretty awesome.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sorry, but Gandalf the White scares off Nazghul and should he ever use his full power (which he is actually forbidden from doing within the story), he could match or defeat Sauron.

Perhaps a ringless Sauron. Yet, even then, he should struggle but against the full-might of Sauron I don't see how even Gandalf the White fully unleashed could win.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The Nazghul were fewer, not on mounts, and ambushed. Gandalf charged all of them while they were flying while he was himself on a horse.

The point stands.



1. The Witch King is in the throes of his full power and is prophesized to be defeated only by a woman, so this is obviously PIS. Again, I pointed out that Gandalf the White, unleashed, would destroy the Witch King in the absence of plot constriction.

2. When does Gandalf the White run from a few orcs? Ever?



Are you not able to differentiate between Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, and Gandalf the Maiar?

Wait, nevermind. You have a Voldemort signature.



Yeah, he has that flat nose and his phallic wand. Pretty awesome. excuses. Gandalf used a white light to run them off. Pathetic. But then again a man using a torch to crush them all together already did that in the first movie.

Speculation. Gandalf was overpowered. Quit hiding from the movie and pretending what you want to have occurred in place of what actually occurred. You're a fanboy who ignores facts.

Gandalf the White is overpowered by someone Aragorn beat singlehandedly by Aragorn.


I unlike you don't worship hyperbole and play make believe. Gandalf is a guy who bonks orcs on the head with a staff. Pathetic.


Voldemort creates fifty foot snakes whereas Gandalfs magic is a bright flashlight or burns pine cones.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're a fanboy who ignores facts.


http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg What facts have I ignored ? If you fail to address my post then you concede.


Torch beat a guy who overpowered Gandalf the White.


Voldemorts magical destroying barrier feat crushes any pathetic Gandalf feat.

You are wrong. Don't try to dictate the rules to me.

Gandalf solos.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You are wrong. Don't try to dictate the rules to me.

Gandalf solos. This isn't a versus. What has Gandalf done greater than Voldemort destroying the Hogwarts shield.

Gandalf created peace in Middle-Earth, held a Ring of Power, and sported a better beard.

Your argument is invalid.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Gandalf created peace in Middle-Earth, held a Ring of Power, and sported a better beard.

Your argument is invalid. The ring was destroyed which stopped them so Gandalf only aided along with everyone else.


Gandalf was also bested in a wizard push battle. He also was bested despite a torch being powerful enough to beat the Witch King.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Gandalf created peace in Middle-Earth, held a Ring of Power, and sported a better beard.

Your argument is invalid.

You can't argue with that.

And you need to stop bringing up Gandalf the Grey feats when debating. Gandalf the White is in another league. Maybe stop wanking to Voldemort and rewatch the films.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You can't argue with that.

And you need to stop bringing up Gandalf the Grey feats when debating. Gandalf the White is in another league. Maybe stop wanking to Voldemort and rewatch the films. Gandalf the white lacked torch power against the Witch King.

Voldemort's fire snake alone or Avada Kedavra is better than anything Ganualf has ever done.

Sorry, Gandalf the White came back from the dead after defeating a balrog in a melee battle. FYI, a balrog is a Maiar. I'd like to see Voldemort kill one of those.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sorry, Gandalf the White came back from the dead after defeating a balrog in a melee battle. FYI, a balrog is a Maiar. I'd like to see Voldemort kill one of those. Hyperbole and when in the movies so they describe what that is.

Gandalf came back after dying through no power of his own. Voldemort created a fail safe in order to do so. Voldemort would easily kill one with an Avada Kedavra. One shot.


He wouldn't die along with it like Gandalf.

Sorry, Khanchi, but Avada Kedavra is blockable and dodgeable. You can block it with inanimate objects of magical origin. The balrog can summon weapons from thin air. Also, it targets the soul; an angelic being such as a balrog could defend against this since it is pretty much supernatural.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sorry, Khanchi, but Avada Kedavra is blockable and dodgeable. You can block it with inanimate objects of magical origin. The balrog can summon weapons from thin air. Also, it targets the soul; an angelic being such as a balrog could defend against this since it is pretty much supernatural. The Balrog isn't known for dodging things. Prove he doesn't have a soul.

Prove the Mair thing from the movies.

Voldemort can apparate and be all over the place and fly while attacking. Gandalf is just some dunce who can't even fly and often runs from attackers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what in the movies ? Quit just spouting nonsense and actually debate, Palpatine

Just like in those two other same threads you made, your ignorance and outright hatred of LoTR coupled with your man-crush on Voldermort and the Harry Potter franchise being your favorite do not dictate the rules, shitlip.

Originally posted by Robtard
Just like in those two other same threads you made, your ignorance and outright hatred of LoTR coupled with your man-crush on Voldermort and the Harry Potter franchise being your favorite do not dictate the rules, shitlip. I am not ignorant at all with regards to the hyperbole lets bring some book stuff in here because were upset Voldemort shitstomps the weak mages from the Lotr universe.


Actually debate, Roberto.

There's never debating with, it's people constantly correcting you and you doing flips

Cry more now

Originally posted by Robtard
There's never debating with, it's people constantly correcting you and you doing flips

Cry more now Based off what is Lotr more powerful ? Answer a question, sport.

You have this sickness in making the same threads over and over just s you can wank your favorite franchise.

Go make a Harry Potter respect thread and you can go wild in there.

Originally posted by Robtard
You have this sickness in making the same threads over and over just s you can wank your favorite franchise.

Go make a Harry Potter respect thread and you can go wild in there. See you concede by not debating and avoiding the topic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
See you concede by not debating and avoiding the topic.



http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4099/stupidclown3.jpg

Originally posted by Robtard
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4099/stupidclown3.jpg Give an example why the Lotr is more powerful.

All you seek is in either of the two 'Potter/LoTR Magic' threads you've made in here. Get to it, sporto

Originally posted by Robtard
All you seek is in either of the two 'Potter/LoTR Magic' threads you've made in here. Get to it, sporto Why won't you answer a simple question.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why won't you answer a simple question.

Why can't you use the search function?

Why can't you remember same debates you've made multiple times?

These questions supersede here

Originally posted by Robtard
Why can't you use the search function?

Why can't you remember same debates you've made multiple times?

These questions supersede here Again, don't post if you won't participate. It's annoying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, don't post if you won't participate. It's annoying.

Now you try and pull the wannabe-Mod-card cos you've been shown up

But do you need direction in using the search function from same threads you've created?

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you try and pull the wannabe-Mod-card cos you've been shown up

But do you need direction in using the search function from same threads you've created? Just saying quit derailing threads if you don't want to participate because Lotr is shown up.