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Two of the greatest jedi ever battle in the temple training room. Offensive force powers are restricted. Can Yoda's flashy unorthodox dueling style overcome the flawless dueling master that is Mace?

Yes, it can. Yoda wins case closed.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yes, it can. Yoda wins case closed.

be nice people, I mean for Christs sake his "Hi I'm new " thread is still on the first page on the introductory section. give him a break.

Fox it's been established(though before your time) that Yoda after a struggle will eventually overwhelm mace with his Ataru.

Yoda wins

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yes, it can. Yoda wins case closed.

www.starwars.com states that Yoda has defeated Mace Windu before...

Well Yoda struggled with Sidious in a saber battle and Mace pretty much dueled perfectly against Sidious. I personally think Yoda was overrated.

In his day, Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. It was said only two opponents ever bested him -- Yoda, and Dooku. Only the most skilled of the Jedi could master the his Form VII discipline of combat -- the deadly technique known as vaapad -- for its aggressive nature treaded dangerously upon dark side practices.

This is proof that Mace has been defeated by Yoda. Cheers

Source:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/macewindu/?id=eu

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Well Yoda struggled with Sidious in a saber battle and Mace pretty much dueled perfectly against Sidious. I personally think Yoda was overrated.

I dont blame Yoda. Sidious had almost every advantage possible.

He didn't in the initial saber fight.

Sidious had plenty of advantages. Both in the saber fight and following after.

What advantage did he have in the initial saber fight?

With Mace? Personally, I believe that Palpatine was playing weak, in comparison to his later duel with Yoda, and the way he burst to life as soon as Windu didn't have his lightsaber at his throat.

I mean, he was forcibly disarmed, that wasn't planned, but he could have intended for something similar to happen at some point during the duel.

I don't know, I'm just crazy.

Anyways, you also have to look at the Jedi Masters Sidious killed. They weren't on Mace's level, but they couldn't have been THAT far behind that it'd be an imitation of Anakin slaughtering younglings.

I agree. Lucas did say Mace overpowered Sidious, and yes, he did. He over powered Sidious in the saber duel. But Sidious wasn't using the Force, and if he had surely Mace would have been taken out just as easily as Dooku took Obi-Wan out on the Invisible Hand.


Yoda beats Mace.

Yeah, Yoda beats Mace...and Palpatine probably allowed Mace to get the better of him by not using the DS

I agree with the above three posters.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I agree. Lucas did say Mace overpowered Sidious, and yes, he did. He over powered Sidious in the saber duel. But Sidious wasn't using the Force, and if he had surely Mace would have been taken out just as easily as Dooku took Obi-Wan out on the Invisible Hand.


Yoda beats Mace.

You really think so? Mace's defence against the force was able to match Sidious' force power as is shown when he redirected Sidious' lightning back onto him.

Mace overpowered Sidious and defeated him in that Lightsaber fight. Sidious wasn't faking. Lucas said it and so did the databank.

And when Sidious blasted Mace with a torrent of Lightning, he failed to destroy Sidious.

Sidious wasn't faking bursting Mace with Lightning. Mace just effectively blocked it. It says that in the Databank as well.

Sidious was overpowered, outmaneuvered and when Mace redirected Sidious' Lightning back at him, Sidious started making phony pleas.

Thank you Sorgo! Lucas's word is law in the Star Wars Universe, and even the most logical answers are worth squat if Lucas says so

Okay, Sorgo, but simply saying that Mace beat Sidious is like saying Anakin simply outclassed Dooku. It's not that simple. Sidious took out three other masters and at the end of the fight, he could of still held Mace off. Lucas said that Sidious was faking being weak.

Back on topic, yeah, Yoda wins.

Sidious took out the three masters because he took Tiin and Kolar by suprise. He simply outclassed Kit though.

Just out of curiousity, where did Lucas state that Sidious was faking it?

In the commentary it says that while Sidious is talking to Anakin he is faking about being so weak.

I beleive he could have held off Mace longer.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
In the commentary it says that while Sidious is talking to Anakin he is faking about being so weak.

I beleive he could have held off Mace longer.

It says he was faking being weak. It doesn't mean Sidious > Mace. I know people like to assume that Sidious is teh meister of manipulation, but I find it hard to believe he orchestrated that entire battle and apparently Mace Windu, jedi master and prodigy, wasn't responsible for his own success.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Mace overpowered Sidious and defeated him in that Lightsaber fight. Sidious wasn't faking. Lucas said it and so did the databank.

And when Sidious blasted Mace with a torrent of Lightning, he failed to destroy Sidious.

Sidious wasn't faking bursting Mace with Lightning. Mace just effectively blocked it. It says that in the Databank as well.

Sidious was overpowered, outmaneuvered and when Mace redirected Sidious' Lightning back at him, Sidious started making phony pleas.

Originally posted by Council#13
Thank you Sorgo! Lucas's word is law in the Star Wars Universe, and even the most logical answers are worth squat if Lucas says so

Exactly, Lucas's word is the law of Star Wars. Whatever he says is absolutely canon. Lucas says Mace overpowered Sidious. He also says that Sidious was faking the "I'm to weak" part. Meaning he was faking, not the duel, which he got overpowered in, but the Force part.

OH man I missed this forum. I just want to say that DLOTS and The Sith Wars, are the best comics I have ever read.. It made me appreciate the power for both Ulic and Exar Kun, but more importantly Naga Sadow

That was lame how you got restricted.

Originally posted by tdtd
OH man I missed this forum. I just want to say that DLOTS and The Sith Wars, are the best comics I have ever read.. It made me appreciate the power for both Ulic and Exar Kun, but more importantly Naga Sadow

Lameness rules these forums.

So I'm guessing that it's settled that Yoda wins??

ahhh mace vs sidious. sidious knew he couldnt kill mace, he needed him alive to help turn anakin. that said i dont think he let mace win pure and simple. he knew he couldnt outright kill mace, but mace was too good for him to simply hold off until the moment of his choosing. had he been out to kill mace he would have, but unless hes playing it very serious mace is too good. sidious would defeat mace, but he couldnt toy with him before hand.

that said its common knowlege yoda is better than mace in pretty much all areas. but, as with sidious hed have to take mace on straight and serious, no skrewing around or hed get a foot to the face just like sidious.

Oh great, another genius who thinks Sidious threw the fight. For the last time, watch the read the book, watch the movie, and then listen to the GL commentary on the DVD.. Sidious got OVERPOWERED, period. He is no match for Mace in saber combat.

Or just read the www.starwars.com Databank quote I posted on the first page. A lot cheaper than buying the DVD

i dont think sidious threw the fight. i think he tried to hold mace off and keep him alive, but mace was too much for him. if sidious had been out to kill straight up he could have, with a fair amount of trouble, but trying anything other than that he will lose, which he did. he didnt plan the kick to the face, or losing his saber. he needed mace alive and wasnt fighting 100%, he was fighting say 90%, fighting hard, but not all out, and he was dropped, unexpectedly.

That COULD be an explanation...










































Or Sidious just lost the fight and it was the will of the Force that allowed Anakin to see it at the last moemnt.

Whichever one it is, Mace defeated Sidious fair and square

Once again, Sidious started the saber fight with the intent to kill Mace, and he failed.

As stated by many of us here at the SW Versus Forums. This thread should be closed soon...

he needed mace to force a snap decision on anakin. he knew anakin wasnt dark enough to turn gradually. he probed him at the opera for his weakness (padme), tested it out on him probably knowing it would fail, but hed force anakin to choose to either be a part of the fight and save him, or stick with the jedi and let pame die. and if hed killed mace straight up anakin would have seen sidious for what he was, and helped the jedi. he needed anakins emotions as hot as they could be, he needed a rushed decision, a snap choice before he had time to weigh up the options and consiquences. he needed a life and death choice between the jedi and padme. although i do conceed its possible he tried to kill mace and it was the will of the force. i doubt it thought.

sidious and yoda as supposedly the only level 9 duelers in the galaxy, leaving mace at 8, and there is a very big gap between 8 and 9 if you ask nick gillard, who choriographs the fights to get across the story lucas wants. there is just too much supporting sidious needing mace alive for me to think he was trying to kill him. trying to hold him off, yes. trying to kill him, no.

as soon as sidious was disarmed anakin walked in, had he not sidious probably would have tried throwing mace around rather than the lightning. sidious didnt even look at anakin when he entered, i think he felt him rather than saw him, and straight away started his routine about the jedi being evil. its all just speculative, i doubt you will come up with an air tight case to convince me, and i doubt ill come up with an airtight case to convince you. but i agree that sidious was overpowered by mace and lost unexpectadly. i dont think he was out to kill though.

8 & 9??? I'm sorry, but this isnt very clear....

when nick gillard was choriographing the fights he had each jedi/sith ranked in saber skill, 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest. 9 being almost impossible to achieve and 10 having been achieved only a few times in the jedi and sith history. obi wan and others were at a level 8, and he said that the only characters to achieve a level 9 were yoda, sidious, and anakin after he turned to the dark side, but before suffering injuries from obi wan.

here is a quote, it doesnt mention sidious or yoda though.

To design and choreograph the sequence -- as well as the myriad other action-packed scenes in Revenge of the Sith -- Gillard says he first discussed with writer-director George Lucas the fighting prowess of each of the characters, which were ranked against other Jedi on a scale of 1 to 10.


"Obi-Wan is at a level 8, which is where Anakin starts. But Anakin jumps to level 9 -- and the difference between 8 and 9 is enormous. A Jedi can get to level 9, but that's the difference between light and dark. The duel actually gives you quite an idea about these characters, because Anakin has learned the fighting, he's enormously talented -- but he hasn't learned the mental side of it.

"Knowing all of that from a story standpoint was enormously helpful in choreographing the sequence," Gillard says.


ill keep looking for the sidious/yoda one, but dont hold your breath

*exhales loudly* now you tell me


What about Tiin, Kolar, and Fisto? What rank were they?

no idea. but here is the one about sidious and yoda.

For the curious, Gillard does not reveal any Jedi who has achieved level ten. The highest is nine, occupied by a small number of capable sword masters, including Yoda and Darth Sidious. At so high a ranking, it comes down to individual fighting styles as well as the circumstances of the surroundings that make a difference.

Ah, but in the Star Wars novelization, Mace Windu (although according to Gillard) knew Vaapad. In Vaapad, he could sink into a sort of trance while fighting, basically untouchable. But Yoda lost to Sidious in the Senate Chamber due to the fact that Sidious gained the high ground in a Force Battle.

I dont know what that has to do with anything, but..

Actually they stalemated with sidious getting the higher ground

Sidious may have not killed Yoda but he still defeated him. It was not a stalemate.

explain how he defeated him, especially since you want to contradict GL's commentary.

Well Yoda ended up bruised on the ground, without his lightsaber and helpless. He then fleed. I would count that as a defeat.

Bruised? If you're going to argue semantics I'll just argue that Sidious had the "Oh shit I'm screwed" face right before they both fell, that Yoda is a lightweight, and that he didn't return because stormtroopers were everywhere.. Oh yea and he lived to train the last of the Jedi, so he wins.

How he lost doesn't matter. He was still defeated.

Again, unless you want to contradict GL's own words, it was a stalemate.

It may have been a stalemate just prior to when Yoda was blasted off of the pod, however anyone who knows the definition of stalemate would know that it wasn't a stalemate at the end of the fight.

Yoda ended up losing though, according to the novelization, he was able to match Sids, but knew he couldn't defeat him if the fight continued

He couldn't defeat him in that current situation of course not, there were stormtroopers all over the place, and Yoda doesn't have a 500 inch vertical to get back on the pods. The fact remains that the novelization s less canon than the movie itself and in the movie it was a complete stalemate with Sidious always having the higher ground.

No, Yoda realizes he couldn't win if the fight continued, period.

THanks for your opinion lightsnake, I'll make sure to tell GL that you're in charge of his storyline.

It's Stover's opinion actually and considering GL put him in charge of some of it...

Ok and GL said it was a stalemate.. And in the star wars reality, GL>All. Not to mention it was a stalemate with Sidious always having the higher ground.

Can you directly quote him so we can see the context in which it was used in?

Of course it was. And if it went on, that's another story

The whole fight ended in a stalemate, period. I'm not arguing canon with you lightsnake, if you don't believe reality, this is your loss.

Dude please explain how the fight could possibly be considered a stalemate, or at least provide a direct quote from Lucas, because from what I saw, the way the fight ended was far from equal. How can you not see that?

How was it far from equal? I don't have the commentary right in front of me, but I have seen it a million times. The fight was a stalemate according to GL, he wanted to show everybody that neither the best of the light side or the dark side is better than each other.. And I could say that Yoda was winning prior to falling off the senate pod because he was light, what's your point? You have your point of view I have mine, and we have the real point of view from GL.

They both pretty much fought equally and Yoda was unlucky that he fell off of the pod and Sidious didn't due to their respective weights, but Yoda still ended up losing.

Why, because he ran away? I can say Sidious lost because he didn't kill his greatest threat.. Youre arguing semantics here but in the end it was a stalemate.

Yoda came off worse. It was not a stalemate.

Thanks for your input, next time watch the commentary before typing.

A stalemate is a situation with no clear winners. If you are not able to see a clear winner from the fight, then you are an idiot.

There was no clear winner. But again with your logic Yoda won because he had Sidious shitting in his pants before they fell.. Again, consult the GL commentary before posting insignificant comments.

How old are you tdtd? You argue like a ten year old.

Personal attacks, invalid ones at it. Next time you lose an argument, try not critisizing others for your stupidity.

Originally posted by tdtd
Personal attacks, invalid ones at it. Next time you lose an argument, try not critisizing others for your stupidity.
Your one to talk...

I am actually, thanks.. And it's You're..

Originally posted by tdtd
I am actually, thanks.. And it's You're..

No need to criticize for spelling or grammar errors. Everyone makes them -- including you. I could say your sentence was incorrectly formatted, as it should've gone like this:

"I am actually, thanks. And, it's "you're"."

Or option two:

"I am actually, thanks...and, it's "you're"."

There's a difference between making an error and not having the knowledge to know how to spell simple words.

I suppose so, lol.

My point is if he can't form logical arguments or if he has someone destroy his weak arguments, there's no reason for him to use personal attacks to weaken his arguments further.

Originally posted by tdtd
My point is if he can't form logical arguments or if he has someone destroy his weak arguments, there's no reason for him to use personal attacks to weaken his arguments further.

And your point is a valid one, so more power to you, my brotha'.

Oh shit... Ghetto slang.

Wurd.

Tee Why...

Que paso?

well, this debate got really boring really quickly.

Originally posted by tdtd
Once again, Sidious started the saber fight with the intent to kill Mace, and he failed.


Somebody with a brain, thank god. I mean why is this even being debated?

Originally posted by Fozzyfan116
Somebody with a brain, thank god. I mean why is this even being debated?

Td? A brain? ...

Yea GV, i've proven it in every argument with you when you get the short end of the stick.

tdtd, without telling me to listen to the commentary, can you please explain what you believe the definition of the word 'stalemate' is, and explain fully how you believe the fight could have possibly been a stalemate when their was a clear victor and a clear loser. Could you also directly quote GL so I can see exactly how he supposedly said that the fight was a stalemate.

A stalemate is when there was no clear winner and loser, and there wasn't. Because Yoda was panting and Sidious was laughing that makes him the loser? Please. How about when you look at Sidious' face when his lightning is being absorbed, would you call Yoda the winner? No, your semantics make no sense.

Not because Yoda was panting, because he ended up falliing a huge height off of a senate pod and ended up disarmed.

Uh he disarmed Sidious long before he fell off. Sidous disarmed him too.. How is that not a stalemate exactly?

When did he disarm Sidious? Anyway he still ended up bruised on the ground.

Bruised? Wow, you must have seen something I didn't. In the novelization he disarmed Sidious before Sidious got the high ground, which is why you don't see Sidious with a saber anymore. This was in the novelization of course but it seems very logical during the scene.

Yoda>Sidious on any fair map.

Originally posted by tdtd
Bruised? Wow, you must have seen something I didn't. In the novelization he disarmed Sidious before Sidious got the high ground, which is why you don't see Sidious with a saber anymore. This was in the novelization of course but it seems very logical during the scene.

Either that or he put it away because it was getting too heavy.

What seems more logical Janus?

tdtd, just accept that it was not a stalemate so we can go back to the topic of Yoda versus Mace Windu.

Originally posted by tdtd
What seems more logical Janus?

Well, if Sidious put away his weapon or threw it away, he'd be the biggest idiot in SW history. So obviously he didn't do that. Yoda must have disarmed him.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
tdtd, just accept that it was not a stalemate so we can go back to the topic of Yoda versus Mace Windu.



I believe you have been pwnt. If I was Janus I'd have a picture to include in this post.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
tdtd, just accept that it was not a stalemate so we can go back to the topic of Yoda versus Mace Windu. http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7967/clamlimpsmall8xq.jpg

How have I been pwned?

Your argument=pwned.. Therefore you=pwned. Thank you come again.

Ok then. How has my argument been pwned?

You keep telling me the fight wasn't a stalemate. However, the fight was a stalemate and it is conclusive. Ergo, your argument=pwned.

OMG dude, at the end of the fight Yoda ended up disarmed and lying hurt on the ground, while Sidious was completely fine and laughing at him. You truly are an idiot.

The hell? Yoda was more powerful, but he lost. He... was blasted in the wrong direction. He lost due to Palpatine's manipulation of the environment and circumstance. Doesn't change the fact that he lost.

Yeah, except that Sidious didn't kill Yoda, which was his goal. Yoda didn't kill Sidious, which was his goal. That would be a stalemate. The fight wasn't concluded.

I was under the impression that Palpatine's goal was to stay alive.

He does try to flee when he could have fought Yoda in his chambers.

Originally posted by Razielim
I was under the impression that Palpatine's goal was to stay alive.

He does try to flee when he could have fought Yoda in his chambers.

Sidious specifically said he was going to end the order, including Yoda. He then failed to do that. While Yoda couldn't really get back to kill Sidious after the fight, Sidious never stomped out the jedi either. Goalwise, they both lost their asses. Fight wise, Sidious was a benefactor of luck and circumstance, as he lost the force battle and Yoda apparently owned him in a saber match. In a level playing field, Sidious would be raped six ways from Sunday.

Since when did their goals come into this. Sidious may have not achieved his goal of killing Yoda, but that doesn't change the fact that he won the fight.

They should have an infintes were Yoda goes Dark.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Since when did their goals come into this. Sidious may have not achieved his goal of killing Yoda, but that doesn't change the fact that he won the fight.

If winning the fight means surviving and having the high ground, then perhaps Sidious won. You could say the same thing about Obi-Wan.

However, when there's no high ground, Obi-Wan and Sidious would eventually succumb to their enemies.

Yoda won the saber fight? Is that in the novel or script or something because I have never heard that.

He would pwn all as a Dark Side user.

From Dark Rendezvous:

"So be angry about that!" Dooku said. "Hate! Rage! Despair! Allow yourself, just once, to stop playing at the game of Jedi Knight, and admit to what you have always known; you are alone, and you are great, and when world strikes you it is better to strike back than to turn your cheek. Feel, Yoda! I can feel the darkness rising in you. Here, in this place, be honest for once and feel the truth about yourself."

At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distance battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome power had been utterly unleashed by the power of the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The Universe had yet to compehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield."

Amen.. Blak Fox please stop calling people idiots when your posts are weak and ridiculous...

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Okay, Sorgo, but simply saying that Mace beat Sidious is like saying Anakin simply outclassed Dooku. It's not that simple. Sidious took out three other masters and at the end of the fight, he could of still held Mace off. Lucas said that Sidious was faking being weak.

Back on topic, yeah, Yoda wins.

Anakin did outclass Dooku.


That's just the way it is.

lol

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Anakin did outclass Dooku.


That's just the way it is.

I wouldn't confuse "outclass" with "one uped", Sorgo. Eowyn one uped the Witchking; she didn't outclass him. Notice the difference? Being clever and taking initiative, while admirable, isn't outclassing someone with far more experience, mastery, and ability.

The Witchkng was a ***** though.

Yeah, but he slaughted men like it was his friggin' job. It's not like Eowyn had a higher power level or something.

This is true, and his badass weapon gave me wood... I'd take that baby over a lightsaber any day.

Nah, at least with a lightsaber you can get into bank vaults and just stuff it in your back pocket.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Well Yoda struggled with Sidious in a saber battle and Mace pretty much dueled perfectly against Sidious. I personally think Yoda was overrated.

Sidious did try to run away, Yoda clearly held back in that duel. He could have just given in to the darkside and destroyed Sidious, GL often describes how powerful Yoda could be, if he gave in to many of the temptations that haunted him, he could if he wanted, have become the Chancellor, but Yoda feared the power he could have, this was what put him futher down the ladder than Sidious. NOT being weaker but rather the fear of being stronger.

If Yoda gave into the Dark Side, the Sith would win on a massive level

Yup, however, he feared it, but he could have given in, and if he was going to that duel was when he was going to do it.

Then the galaxy'd have a new, much more dangerous overlord with no jedi to stop him

I would love to see a Darkside Yoda fight Exar Kun.

Darkside Yoda would own Kun.

Darkside Yoda would own most anybody

Even worst would be a darkside Yoda with as much access to sith magic as Kun.

Like DR said, a darksider with 900 years of experience is a freakish thing to imagine.

Indeed, but just because he is not one with the dark side doesn't mean he couldn't beat Sith Lords. Palpatine was the strongest Sith ever, period, he could beat Exar Kun.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed, but just because he is not one with the dark side doesn't mean he couldn't beat Sith Lords. Palpatine was the strongest Sith ever, period, he could beat Exar Kun.


Um....No..

tdtd, I think you must have some kind of mental problem......always angry, and u don't understand humour. Weird.......

Just because you can't differentiate between humor and seriousness doesn't mean have a "mental" problem..

Originally posted by tdtd
Um....No..

Well put together argument. Lots of strong points however I think your biggest weakness was the fact that your entire argument was based on our believing that you know more on this subject than George Lucas. Who tells us that Palpatine was the strongest ever...so umm...yes!

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well put together argument. Lots of strong points however I think your biggest weakness was the fact that your entire argument was based on our believing that you know more on this subject than George Lucas. Who tells us that Palpatine was the strongest ever...so umm...yes!

To quote Illustrious, "pass what you're smoking."

Oh lord another lightsnake. Nevermind that EU was retconned with the whole SW saga. Nevermind that Lucas didn't contradict EU, nor said that it was wrong. Nevermind that Palpatine was considered the greatest sith lord, not the strongest.. Try again.

umm...no..

Wrong again, congrats.

To discuss this properly I have made a thread for it.

The concept isn't more difficult than how I stated it.

Dooku lost, was outmaneuvered and simply got defeated.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yes, it can. Yoda wins case closed.

amen

Where is your source that Palpatine is the most powerful? When did Lucas say this? Because if he did. . .

lol.. Palpatine was equal to Yoda while having an advantage, he wasn't the most powerful.. Maybe in terms of dark side yea.. He was, in the OT.. Welcome to the world of EU and the ancient sith.

Regardless, I want to see this man's source.

I AGREE. PALPATINE DID BURST INTO ACTION AGAINST YODA, NONETHELESS YODA STILL HELD HIS GROUND. BELIEVE IT OR NOT EVEN THOUGH MACE CAME CLOSE TO DEFEATING SIDIOUS AND YODA REALLY DIDN'T DOESN'T MEAN THAT YODA IS WEAK. EVEN WITH THERE HEIGHT ADVANTAGES YODA WOULD DEFEAT MACE EASILY. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. BESIDES LOOK HOW OLD YODA IS. LETS SEE YOU TURN 800 AND TRY TO BOUNCE OFF A FEW WALLS. YODA ISN'T OVERRATED HE;S UNDERESTIMATED.

Originally posted by MASTER OWENS
I AGREE. PALPATINE DID BURST INTO ACTION AGAINST YODA, NONETHELESS YODA STILL HELD HIS GROUND. BELIEVE IT OR NOT EVEN THOUGH MACE CAME CLOSE TO DEFEATING SIDIOUS AND YODA REALLY DIDN'T DOESN'T MEAN THAT YODA IS WEAK. EVEN WITH THERE HEIGHT ADVANTAGES YODA WOULD DEFEAT MACE EASILY. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. BESIDES LOOK HOW OLD YODA IS. LETS SEE YOU TURN 800 AND TRY TO BOUNCE OFF A FEW WALLS. YODA ISN'T OVERRATED HE;S UNDERESTIMATED.
Dude... tone down the caps buddy.

TECHNICALLY [PALPATINE WOULD BE THE STRONGEST AND WISEST OF ALL SITHS. CONSIDERING HE WAS AROUND BEFORE ANAKIN. WHEN ANAKIN TURNED TO THE DARK SIDE THEN HE BECAME THE STRONGEST. AND SINCE DARTH PLAGUES THE WISE DIED SIDIOUS WAS LEFT WITH THE POWER. I ALSO AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IF YODA TURNED TO THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE THE JEDI WOULD BE OVER. DOESN'T MEAN HE'S WEAK. A JEDI MUST CONTROLL HIS ANGER OR BE LEAD DOWN THE PATH TO THE DARK SIDE.

"FEAR LEADS TO ANGER, ANGER LEADS TO HATE, HATE LEADS TO SUFFERING"- YODA EPISODE ONE THE PHANTOM MENACE.

Originally posted by MASTER OWENS
TECHNICALLY


You need to breathe before you have a seizure.

What are you talkling about.

Originally posted by MASTER OWENS
What are you talkling about.


I DON'T KNOW, MASTER OWENS. YOU TELL ME.