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Movie Hulk vs Optimus Prime and the Fallen

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who wins ?

Which Hulk?

I know most people will say Hulk stomps, but I think the Cybertronians have a chance here.

Prime has potential to decapitate or severely injure Hulk with his energy blade. His other energy weapons pack a punch too.

The Fallen can teleport as well as levitate the Hulk into the air where he'd become immobile, letting Prime dish out punishment on him.

Originally posted by Placidity
Which Hulk?

I know most people will say Hulk stomps, but I think the Cybertronians have a chance here.

Prime has potential to decapitate or severely injure Hulk with his energy blade. His other energy weapons pack a punch too.

The Fallen can teleport as well as levitate the Hulk into the air where he'd become immobile, letting Prime dish out punishment on him. 2008 Hulk

YEah, that Hulk dies.

Before your thread gets closed specify where the fight takes place. We are also to assume that this is standard Fallen and standard Optimus Prime: no super power form for Prime, right?

Why would this get closed?

The Cybertronians ftw.

The fallen can just TK Hulk into orbit, can't he...?

And if not, The Fallen could be holding Hulk the air, whilst Prime blasts or cuts him to bits with the afformentioned energy weapons.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would this get closed?

The Cybertronians ftw.

You have to include a location for the fight to take place.


Else some dewsh can come along and say, "I assume the fight takes place behind Hogwarts shields in which case, no technology works, so Hulk Solos."


Or something to that effect.


To create a thread, you have to have a setting or a venue.

'08 Hulk would lose. '05 Hulk, which tanked a nuke, would rip the Crybertronians, who were harmed by 50. caliber bullets and RPG's, in half.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
'08 Hulk would lose. '05 Hulk, which tanked a nuke, would rip the Crybertronians, who were harmed by 50. caliber bullets and RPG's, in half.

Indeed. More specifically, the Lee Hulk also had a healing factor and the Leterrier Hulk did not.

Lee's Hulk only got one scratch from the nuke and it healed within seconds.

Hang on, the only this they got messed up with were Sabot rounds. Not necessarily regular arms fire.

As impressive as 2005 Hulk's feats were, I believe them to be neutralised here, as The Fallen would just TK him off of the floor whilst Prime went to work, again, or would send Hulk skyward to orbit.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Hang on, the only this they got messed up with were Sabot rounds. Not necessarily regular arms fire.


Well, the feats are inconsistent, which is a bit homo.

In the first film, Blackout single handedly took out an army base. It was also shown that 'normal' arms didn't do jack (including .50 cal) and they needed 'high heat sabot rounds' to do any real damage as it was implied as their particular weakness.

In Transformers 2 though, all this was kind of muddled up as Cybertronians were being damaged by all sorts of lesser weapons I believe (could be wrong).

"Sabot rounds" are not "special", don't let the movie fool you. They're basically just armor piercing, stuff you'd use to take out enemy armor. That's it. It's not like they're some sort of futuristic high tech special rounds or some crap. People use them in hunting rifles.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Sabot rounds" are not "special", don't let the movie fool you. They're basically just armor piercing, stuff you'd use to take out enemy armor. That's it. It's not like they're some sort of futuristic high tech special rounds or some crap.

Yes, we've already discussed this in long detail. I don't know if it was with you or DDM.

Sabot rounds aren't special, neither are HEAT rounds, but the combination of the two actually don't exist. So it is special and 'futuristic high tech' in a way.

Anyway, it was implied to be their particular weakness, kinda like kryptonite.

Well, obviously not since they've been destroyed by other forms of ammunition. It's their "kryptonite" in the same way that a sabot or HEAT round would be the "kryptonite" of a tank.

It's non-sequential though really. Point is that '03 Hulk has tanked much more powerful things than sabot rounds and can easily dish out much more damage than a heat or sabot round, ergo he'd crush any transformer.

That's also non-sequential though I guess, considering this isnt '03 Hulk.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Well, obviously not since they've been destroyed by other forms of ammunition.


Not in the first film, which as the point I was making.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's their "kryptonite" in the same way that a sabot or HEAT round would be the "kryptonite" of a tank.


Ah, but its not a sabot or a HEAT round. Its a "High HEAT SABOT round", which doesn't exist.

Its also not accurate to say that its the 'kryptonite' of a tank (in effect, attempting to ignore the fact that it was THE particular weapon they needed to harm the Cybertronians, (again in the first film)) since a tank can be destroyed by many other things: land mines, sabots, HEAT rounds, missiles, misc explosives etc etc.

Kryptonite implies a unique and specific weakness.

Why are you proscribing purely to the first film at all? One of the people in this thread didn't even exist in the first film.

That aside, that's a limitless fallacy. It was never stated nor implied that the only thing that could harm a transformer is a sabot or heat round.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican

Why are you proscribing purely to the first film at all? One of the people in this thread didn't even exist in the first film.

Actually, I said their feats are inconsistent. I pointed out what happened in both films. You chose to challenge my points/feats I made for the first film, and I've done my best to explain them.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican

That aside, that's a limitless fallacy. It was never stated nor implied that the only thing that could harm a transformer is a sabot or heat round.

Not really. I'm sure sufficient force such as from a nuke would take them out. Thats overkill, but just an example.

Again, a Superman analogy (lol):

While kryptonite is well known to be one of Superman's few weaknesses, it is not a limitless fallacy. As you may well know, he was killed by Doomsday via brute strength.

Having a weakness does not imply you are invulnerable otherwise.

Transformers for the win.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Sabot rounds" are not "special", don't let the movie fool you. They're basically just armor piercing, stuff you'd use to take out enemy armor. That's it. It's not like they're some sort of futuristic high tech special rounds or some crap. People use them in hunting rifles.

Well regardless of what the rounds were called, the way it was explained was it was the high heat involved with the particular rounds being used being so high that the TFs couldn't deal with it.

But yes, the consistancy in the Bay movies is dire.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes, we've already discussed this in long detail. I don't know if it was with you or DDM.

It was a combination of Robtard, RJ, and myself, in different threads. Mostly Robtard, though. (I can't steal credit. pained )


But, yes, I agree with you: it was "high heat sabot rounds."

We can say that they were incendiary rounds mixed with armor piercing rounds: a converged technology that does not exist, as you stated.

Also, Sergeant Epps DID say something like, "high heat sabot rounds seem to be the only thing that hurt them." Or something like that. Grenades and rocket launchers were not working so we can assume that it took a high velocity round that was "very hot" to burn through their futuristic, self-repairing, "flesh."

Edit - However, it's very silly that "high heat" added to that type of round would some how "magically" burn through the xformers. That makes no sense because there has to be a thermal transference in order for that "round" to make sense: beacuse it is travel very fast, the round does not make contact nearly long enough to "burn" through anything.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit - However, it's very silly that "high heat" added to that type of round would some how "magically" burn through the xformers. That makes no sense because there has to be a thermal transference in order for that "round" to make sense: beacuse it is travel very fast, the round does not make contact nearly long enough to "burn" through anything.

You dare question Michael Bay?

"Bay knows best" lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
It was a combination of Robtard, RJ, and myself, in different threads. Mostly Robtard, though. (I can't steal credit. pained )


But, yes, I agree with you: it was "high heat sabot rounds."

We can say that they were incendiary rounds mixed with armor piercing rounds: a converged technology that does not exist, as you stated.

Also, Sergeant Epps DID say something like, "high heat sabot rounds seem to be the only thing that hurt them." Or something like that. Grenades and rocket launchers were not working so we can assume that it took a high velocity round that was "very hot" to burn through their futuristic, self-repairing, "flesh."

Edit - However, it's very silly that "high heat" added to that type of round would some how "magically" burn through the xformers. That makes no sense because there has to be a thermal transference in order for that "round" to make sense: beacuse it is travel very fast, the round does not make contact nearly long enough to "burn" through anything.

Wasn't the high heat needed to penetrate the shield?

And to prevent the regeneration of impacted/melted bit too, I think..
..As DDM correctly notes.

(Note that Scorponok's tail didn't grow itself an new body.)


Anyways, so The Fallen has raised Hulk 50ft in the air with his TK,
And Prime is slashing him with Energy swords and blasts from his cannon.

Whats can the Hulk do other than die....?

Not taking away from 2003 Hulk, but even if this was him, I doubt he could stand up to Prime's heat blades/hooks.

Originally posted by KingD19
Not taking away from 2003 Hulk, but even if this was him, I doubt he could stand up to Prime's heat blades/hooks.

A nuke is definitely much more violent and hotter than Prime's blades.

But that takes nothing away from those blades, of course.

Yeah it's hotter, but Hulk got pierced by those gamma dogs. Of course he healed, but that's beside the point. At the start of the fight, Prime swinging full force would lop something off, as all that heat is concentrated into a very small area, and that area is incredibly thin and sharp. Eventually Hulk might be able to resist it, but saying he won't get cut at all isn't true.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah it's hotter, but Hulk got pierced by those gamma dogs. Of course he healed, but that's beside the point. At the start of the fight, Prime swinging full force would lop something off, as all that heat is concentrated into a very small area, and that area is incredibly thin and sharp. Eventually Hulk might be able to resist it, but saying he won't get cut at all isn't true.

I don't think anyone said that the blades wouldn't cut him at all.

In fact, 2008 Hulk gets raped.


2003? I dunno: I am not sure that the blades would cut him, at all. The dogs were buffed out with similar crap that Hulk was: they are far stronger than Prime by a very long shot. I assume that the hot blade would just come into contact with his skin and bounce off of it.

Ang Lee Hulk sodomizes both of them, unless (as noted by Sadako) The Fallen is capable of teleporting him out of the fight and into space.

Norton Hulk might be able to **** one up a bit before he gets gutted, small target, he's fairly fast and battle-smart and can jump. Or The Fallen does his teleport thing and it's over before it begins.

Now, can The Fallen teleport anywhere he wants, or it is limited?

Whichever Hulk it is I wouldn't worry about Prime too much, given in the second film he was significantly more badass than he was in the first he's definitely not going to tank any attacks from the Hulk, especially '03 hulk. I don't remember what the Fallen has in his arsenal, but Sadako is saying TK so he could probably take the 08 Hulk with Prime at his side, but 03 Hulk I dunno, he didn't seem to be able to take much damage either, Prime made him his ***** in about five seconds flat. So unless his TK is godly then Hulk probably gets to him eventually and wrecks his life.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ang Lee Hulk sodomizes both of them, unless (as noted by Sadako) The Fallen is capable of teleporting him out of the fight and into space.

Norton Hulk might be able to **** one up a bit before he gets gutted, small target, he's fairly fast and battle-smart and can jump. Or The Fallen does his teleport thing and it's over before it begins.

Now, can The Fallen teleport anywhere he wants, or it is limited?

He has to use what I think is called the Space Bridges.

Indeed.
Space bridges in G1 were big mechanical constructs, but the Bayformers seem to be able to effect one personally.
Skywarp could in G1 could bean places, but his range in that regard was much limited than the sorts of distances seen travelled in Bayformers.

The Fallens TK ability though, is what he used to levitate and suspend hundreds of people, things, vehicles etc at once before smashing them all down to the ground, IIRC.... At the pyramid battle... Thats what I envisaged The Fallen using to keep Hulk levitated whilst Prime administers the pain.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ang Lee Hulk sodomizes both of them, unless (as noted by Sadako) The Fallen is capable of teleporting him out of the fight and into space.

Norton Hulk might be able to **** one up a bit before he gets gutted, small target, he's fairly fast and battle-smart and can jump. Or The Fallen does his teleport thing and it's over before it begins.

Now, can The Fallen teleport anywhere he wants, or it is limited?

This.

I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form. hulk can run faster than a damn truk

Depends on which version we're using. He can run faster, yes, but that doesn't mean Prime can't blitz him.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.

Ang Lee's version is many times more durable and there's not much Prime could do to that Hulk considering his durability, let alone his healing factor.

Speedblitzing you say, I doubt Prime could do that, but it would accomplish nothing except Hulk putting his foot up Prime's ass all that much faster.

It's basically Prime versus a Bumbleebee sized opponent that has seemingly limitless strength, massive running speed, crazy jumping ability, a healing factor and durability enough to take armour-piercing tank rounds, free-falls from a couple miles up and survive a nuke. ie he has massive cut, smashing and heat resistance.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.
Becuase a truck crashing into Hulk is going to hurt him... Right? Also Hulk is far more durable than Prime.

What is this!?


Hulk SMASH! g_hulk

Transforming into the Truck is the last thing Optimus would want to do if he wants to live during the fight.

Originally posted by Badabing
What is this!?


Hulk SMASH! g_hulk youre not in this conversation

Originally posted by chomperx9
youre not in this conversation

Awww, come on, man. Bada is good people. Be nice, dude.

That entirely depends on whether Bada thinks Hulk can beat Superman or not (Comics versions).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Awww, come on, man. Bada is good people. Be nice, dude. not on all the forums

Originally posted by chomperx9
youre not in this conversation I AM the convo. And I'll deal with you later in the CB vs forum. biscuitsOriginally posted by dadudemon
Awww, come on, man. Bada is good people. Be nice, dude. Originally posted by Placidity
That entirely depends on whether Bada thinks Hulk can beat Superman or not (Comics versions). Comics and using CB vs forum rules, no. grumpy

That is until Hulk's next amp...evillaugh

g_hulk

OK replacing the Fallen with Megatron since Megatron has more feats.

I think not. Read the rules: there will be no changing the thread after the thread is established.

If you wish, you can ask me to close this thread and you can make a new thread. Otherwise, the thread remains unchanged so as to avoid mass confusion.