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Team Spidey from both Spider-Man franchises:

-The Lizard
-The Rhino
-Electro
-Green Goblin (Dafoe)
-Doc Ock
-Sandman
-Venom


Team X-Men from all films:

-Sabertooth
-Toad
-Lady Deathstrike
-Juggernaut
-Pyro
-Emma Frost
-Azazel


Fight takes place on London Bridge, England at high noon. The fight cannot leave the bridge. No BFR.

Anything goes, to the death.

stalemate?

Sandman, Electro and Venom decimate the other side, but they can't put down Juggy, and they can't be put down themselves.

though i guess Emma could just tell the other team to go to sleep.

Actually, according to X3, Juggernaut can be put down by electricity...but it needed Wolverine to be a conductor, but then again Electro seems to be able to put out more energy than Storm when she's not directly summoning lightning from the sky.

However I think there'd be enough time for Juggy and the others to take down a few before they try to deal with Electro and Sandman.

Couldn't pyro turn sandman into glass?

i don't think he's capable of that. the melting point of sand is approx. 4k, that's significantly hotter than magma. We saw nothing suggesting Pyro could make his flames that hot.

Now, if this was Johnny from FF, you'd have a point.

I don't think any of the X-rogues have what it takes to put down Sandman. That being stated, I don't know if any of the Spidey-rogues can put down Juggernaut, unless maybe Sandman invades all of his orifices and suffocates him, though YMMV. Emma can maybe mind control Goblin or Doc Ock, but they will be immediately slaughtered by their teammates.

Emma tells sandman to go swimming

/thread

Can she do that to Sandman? He's not really a human.

still has a brain, no?

Let me rephrase that, he's not exactly a biological lifeform. And considering he's a sentient shapeshfiting pit of sand, I'm going to guess no on the brain.

Reading his mind would be like reading the mind of a rock.

And rocks have no tp defence. So it works, besides maybe his brain is sand to cause you need a brain to move and think.

He clearly doesn't have what you would define as a brain. Even if he did, he's not a biological lifeform, and mutants haven't even been shown reading the minds of animals, less lone a being not even made of proteins.

So Emma mind rapes everyone but Sandman? Than maybe Azazel teleports hit into a river for the win?

X Men win

Originally posted by juggerman
So Emma mind rapes everyone but Sandman? Than maybe Azazel teleports hit into a river for the win?

How is Azazel going to do that? Teleport him grain by grain?

He takes regular form most of the time, considering they are fighting on a bride and his weakness is water..Sandman ends up in the river. Emma would make him think it, he would do it, or he would end up entangled with someone else, and over he goes.

Who is going to push a 50 ft sentient pillar of sand anywhere? And why would he not be in sand form here? And, as stated, no proof that Emma can control his mind.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Who is going to push a 50 ft sentient pillar of sand anywhere? And why would he not be in sand form here? And, as stated, no proof that Emma can control his mind.

First you didn't establish proof that she cannot. Emma can control anyones mind, to suggest that he can phase into a sand and re take human form and that he does not have a brain is ridiculous.

Pyro would turn that sandman into glass.

Um, yeah, I did. If she can't read animals minds, she's not reading the mind of a non-biological lifeform.

And to assume that when he goes into human guise, he suddenly reconstructs all of his proteins is what is ridiculous here.

As already stated, the heat required to make glass was never displayed by Pyro.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Um, yeah, I did. If she can't read animals minds, she's not reading the mind of a non-biological lifeform.

And to assume that when he goes into human guise, he suddenly reconstructs all of his proteins is what is ridiculous here.

As already stated, the heat required to make glass was never displayed by Pyro.

You right, he has no brain, he walks around brainless.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
First you didn't establish proof that she cannot. Emma can control anyones mind, to suggest that he can phase into a sand and re take human form and that he does not have a brain is ridiculous.

Pyro would turn that sandman into glass.
A) Burden of proof is in you to prove something not on anyone else to disprove it

B) we've seen in movie that hitting him with any significant force actually goes through him

C) Goblins bombs have glassed him I'm sure?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You right, he has no brain, he walks around brainless.

Brainless doesn't mean mindless. You are applying biology to a being that is not biological.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
A) Burden of proof is in you to prove something not on anyone else to disprove it

B) we've seen in movie that hitting him with any significant force actually goes through him

C) Goblins bombs have glassed him I'm sure?

From the guy who pithes Dale Spooner (Will Smith) from iRobot against The Winter Soldier. Get a grip on life dude.


Originally posted by Lestov16
Brainless doesn't mean mindless. You are applying biology to a being that is not biological.

Are you a PHD?

Are you? And you don't need a degree to know that if something lacks cellular biological tissue, it's not biological. Kind of common sense, really

Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you? And you don't need a degree to know that if something lacks cellular biological tissue, it's not biological. Kind of common sense, really

Its common sense to know that the Telepath of her level would have no problem controlling a dude with literally zero will power. She is on the same level as X and one of the 5 most powerful Telepath's in X-Men.

Originally posted by Impediment
Team Spidey from both Spider-Man franchises:

-The Lizard
-The Rhino
-Electro
-Green Goblin
-Doc Ock
-Sandman
-Venom


Team X-Men from all films:

-Sabertooth
-Toad
-Lady Deathstrike
-Juggernaut
-Pyro
-Emma Frost
-Azazel
Sandman, Gg and Electro take to the air, laying down devastating AoE attacks

Either Electro or Venom or Doc go for Emma who has taken on diamond form to be able to shrug off most attacks

Venom has a 3/10 chance off winning

Doc wins 10/10 but there is also the chance that Emma will turn human again and mind control him but the arms are sorta sentient so they crush her if she does this

Electro has a 7/10 were he uses her as a focus to intensify his powers

Electro then asks Toad if he know what happens when electricity strikes a toad. Toad screams
"NOT AGAIN!!!!!" and nopes right the **** outta the fight

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Sandman, Gg and Electro take to the air, laying down devastating AoE attacks

Either Electro or Venom or Doc go for Emma who has taken on diamond form to be able to shrug off most attacks

Venom has a 3/10 chance off winning

Doc wins 10/10 but there is also the chance that Emma will turn human again and mind control him but the arms are sorta sentient so they crush her if she does this

Electro has a 7/10 were he uses her as a focus to intensify his powers

Electro then asks Toad if he know what happens when electricity strikes a toad. Toad screams
"NOT AGAIN!!!!!" and nopes right the **** outta the fight

Wrong, Emma mind rapes them all and turns them against Sandman.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its common sense to know that the Telepath of her level would have no problem controlling a dude with literally zero will power. She is on the same level as X and one of the 5 most powerful Telepath's in X-Men.

He's not a "dude" anymore. He's a giant pile of sand. He is not human, not even biological. Please provide these feats of Xavier talking to rocks and other non biological objects.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He's not a "dude" anymore. He's a giant pile of sand. He is not human, not even biological. Please provide these feats of Xavier talking to rocks and other non biological objects.

You augment is invalid based off the fact that you have no idea how Telepath's work. And you are grasping at straws, he has a brain, it can be controlled.

Lets for augments sake say it could not be, she turns his whole team against him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
From the guy who pithes Dale Spooner (Will Smith) from iRobot against The Winter Soldier. Get a grip on life
A) **** off what I do is my problem deal with it

B) you don't have proof, so stop arguing a retarded point
She can't even use her telepathy when she is in her diamond form so what makes you think she can use on an inorganic lifeform

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
A) **** off what I do is my problem deal with it

B) you don't have proof, so stop arguing a retarded point
She can't even use her telepathy when she is in her diamond form so what makes you think she can use on an inorganic lifeform

X Men win, she turns them all against the Sandman. /thread

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You augment is invalid based off the fact that you have no idea how Telepath's work. And you are grasping at straws, he has a brain, it can be controlled.

Lets for augments sake say it could not be, she turns his whole team against him.

My augment is invalid? Those bastards said this penis pump was 100% guaranteed to work. I want a refund!

I know enough about to telepathy to know if they can't read a non-human's mind, they certainly aren't reading an inorganic lifeforms mind. Which is more than you apparently know.

How can a giant pillar of sand have a brain? What is it made out of? Sand? Yeah, you're going to need proof Emma can control a sand brain when she can't even control that of animals.

Maybe a couple of them, but considering Sandman was arguably Tobey Spidey's most dangerous foe, will he really be that preoccupied?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wrong, Emma mind rapes them all and turns them against Sandman.
So you've conceded that she loses Sandman, Doc's arms and Electro who then proceed to murder the **** outta her now team x villains are down 2 members

Originally posted by Lestov16
My augment is invalid? Those bastards said this penis pump was 100% guaranteed to work. I want a refund!

I know enough about to telepathy to know if they can't read a non-human's mind, they certainly aren't reading an inorganic lifeforms mind. Which is more than you apparently know.

How can a giant pillar of sand have a brain? What is it made out of? Sand? Yeah, you're going to need proof Emma can control a sand brain when she can't even control that of animals.

Maybe a couple of them, but considering Sandman was arguably Tobey Spidey's most dangerous foe, will he really be that preoccupied?

Same way people think X or Frost could say read Thor's mind? They are non human right?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
So you've conceded that she loses Sandman, Doc's arms and Electro who then proceed to murder the **** outta her now team x villains are down 2 members

No, she turns them all against the Sandman and then its everyone against Sandman. Sandman's stawmen lose.

Originally posted by Lestov16
My augment is invalid? Those bastards said this penis pump was 100% guaranteed to work. I want a refund!
Lol

There is a difference between "non human" and "inorganic" use a dictionary

And since you've conceded that she loses to an inorganic being ala Sandman that must also mean she can't control Doc's arms and she definitely can't control Electro who is a being off pure energy

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Same way people think X or Frost could say read Thor's mind? They are non human right?

And are these people irrefutable? Also, says quite a bit about the weakness of your argument that when asked for proof, you didn't provide screenfeats. You tried to pass off the subjective opinion of KMC members as fact

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
There is a difference between "non human" and "inorganic" use a dictionary

And since you've conceded that she loses to an inorganic being ala Sandman that must also mean she can't control Doc's arms and she definitely can't control Electro who is a being off pure energy

You have not proven that the don't have brains. Juggs wrecks Oc without a seconds notice.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And are these people irrefutable? Also, says quite a bit about the weakness of your argument that when asked for proof, you didn't provide screenfeats. You tried to pass off the subjective opinion of KMC members as fact

When did you become a person that's irrefutable?

Desperate ad hominem argument. Anyways, are you going to actually post some screenfeats at any point, or just keep relying on the subjective indecisive words of KMC members. I suggest the former, as it would be a lot less humiliating. Get to stepping.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You have not proven that the don't have brains. Juggs wrecks Oc without a seconds notice. I'd like to see him try whilst being burnt to a crisp by Electro

Juggernaut throws a virus at electro

/Thread.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I'd like to see him try whilst being burnt to a crisp by Electro

Laughing at fire or electricity hurting Juggernaut.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Juggernaut throws a virus at electro

/Thread.
What?

Juggernaut took wolverine's claws and wasn't even cut

Wolverines claws > Electros pussy ass Electricity.

Doesn't matter. Juggernaut won't be running around when sand starts filling up his lungs.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Doesn't matter. Juggernaut won't be running around when sand starts filling up his lungs.

Cause he sure did that to spiderman and Green Golbin

He wasn't blood lusted before

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
He wasn't blood lusted before

OP didn't state the fight was blood lusted, and actually he was blood lusted as he was trying to kill them on screen.

Juggernaut would digest sandman.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Juggernaut would digest sandman.

Yes, that was a funny joke. Anyways Immemorial, how is Juggernaut avoiding having his orifices invaded?

Because sandman has never shown to be able to do so.

Because it wasn't in character for him at the time. Not because he's physically unable.

Only comic sandman has achieved this.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because it wasn't in character for him at the time. Not because he's physically unable.

Post screen feats of this.

Are you phucking kidding me? Let me put it this way. We've never seen Superman chop off a guy's limbs and bisect his torso with his heat vision. does that mean he's physically unable?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you phucking kidding me? Let me put it this way. We've never seen Superman chop off a guy's limbs and bisect his torso with his heat vision. does that mean he's physically unable?

Hypocrite

Originally posted by Lestov16
Desperate ad hominem argument. Anyways, are you going to actually post some screenfeats at any point, or just keep relying on the subjective indecisive words of KMC members. I suggest the former, as it would be a lot less humiliating. Get to stepping. .

Take your own advice and get to stepping.

Not sure what your post is supposed to imply, because the two quotes you posted do not connect with each other in any way, but keep trying. You'll win a debate someday

EDIT: Oh, I see you are bytching because he asked me for screenfeats and I declined but I criticized you when you declined screenfeats. Thing is, Sandman invading people's orifices is a logical extension of his power. It would be easier for him to do that than the stuff he's shown in the film. He just didn't because he had no intention to. Emma reading inorganic minds is not a logical extension of her power, since the limits of her power do not seem to allow this. So yeah, you have no point.

But like I said, keep trying

Originally posted by Lestov16
Not sure what your post is supposed to imply, because the two quotes you posted do not connect with each other in any way, but keep trying. You'll win a debate someday

It implies you expect others to produce screen feats when they debate, but you don't have to, ie your a hypocrite. You have lost.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Desperate ad hominem argument. Anyways, are you going to actually post some screenfeats at any point, or just keep relying on the subjective indecisive words of KMC members. I suggest the former, as it would be a lot less humiliating. Get to stepping. Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you phucking kidding me? Let me put it this way. We've never seen Superman chop off a guy's limbs and bisect his torso with his heat vision. does that mean he's physically unable?

Go back and re-read my post. I edited it to tackle your wimpy stance.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Go back and re-read my post. I edited it to tackle your wimpy stance.

You change and edit your post and then make up arguments that do not exist on screen. Post screen feats of any of this you are talking about. You do realize this is hypocritical of what you were arguing earlier.

Not really. You're arguing Sandman can't do something because it's CIS, whereas I'm arguing Emma can't do something because she's never shown that level of power. Not hypocritical in the least.


But keep trying.

Well it isn't exactly in but after their first encounter sand had managed to get in Spideys mouth under his costume

Originally posted by Lestov16
Not really. You're arguing Sandman can't do something because it's CIS, whereas I'm arguing Emma can't do something because she's never shown that level of power. Not hypocritical in the least.


But keep trying.

You already lost by wanting screen feats based off Emma but cant produce screen feats of Sandman doing what you claim. Juggernaut laughs at the sandman.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Juggernaut laughs at the sandman.
Based on?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Based on?

Based off him laughing and saying "I'm the Juggernaut *****."

Nothing then?
Fine you concede

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Nothing then?
Fine you concede

I already won, and you didn't even debate you just hopped on Lest's back and mimicked him, you don't know how to debate. Least Lest tried. You failed.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You already lost by wanting screen feats based off Emma but cant produce screen feats of Sandman doing what you claim. Juggernaut laughs at the sandman.

If you want to be that stupid, go ahead. Just know that Sandman going all Black Cat from Tales of the Darkside on people is a logical extension of his power, whereas Emma reading the minds of non-organic lifeforms is not. Unavoidable common sense. To not see that is to be retarded special.

But keep trying

Originally posted by Lestov16
If you want to be that stupid, go ahead. Just know that Sandman going all Black Cat from Tales of the Darkside on people is a logical extension of his power, whereas Emma reading the minds of non-organic lifeforms is not. Unavoidable common sense. To not see that is to be retarded special.

But keep trying

Cyttorak>non organic life form.

Emma and Telepaths can influence anyone in the marvel universe that is not resistant to a telepath.

Find me some proof that he does not have a brain, that he resistant to a Telepath. Then I'll concede to that, but you won't because his power set is not resistant to Telepathy and he does have a brain or consciousness.

Do you really want to start calling names?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Cyttorak>non organic life form.

so you're taking the digestion thing seriously? LOL

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Emma and Telepaths can influence anyone in the marvel universe that is not resistant to a telepath.

Any sapient organic lifeform, yes. Sandman doesn't qualify.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Find me some proof that he does not have a brain, that he resistant to a Telepath. Then I'll concede to that, but you won't because his power set is not resistant to Telepathy and he does have a brain or consciousness.

Again, why would a shape-shifting pit of sand have any kind of protein-based brain? Simple logic

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Do you really want to start calling names?
Stop being illogical, stimpy.

Originally posted by Lestov16
so you're taking the digestion thing seriously? LOL



Any sapient organic lifeform, yes. Sandman doesn't qualify.



Again, why would a shape-shifting pit of sand have any kind of protein-based brain? Simple logic


Stop being illogical, stimpy.

The digestion thing was a joke. He is far above his power level. Crytorrak>non organic life form.

So a organic life form can have a brain but a non organic life form cannot have a brain, quit playing stupid. He has a brain, show me any proof that he is resistant to Telepathy or has no brain for that matter.

He was running away from cops. He has a brain stimpy.

Neither electro or sandman are doing anything to juggernaut who took wolverine's claws without a scratch. Sandman has only showed this in the comics and since the human body is mostly water if he tried entering he kill himself.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Neither electro or sandman are doing anything to juggernaut who took wolverine's claws without a scratch. Sandman has only showed this in the comics and since the human body is mostly water if he tried entering he kill himself.

Good point about the body. Also His greatest weakness is water and he is fighting on a bridge over a river of water at 50 ft tall and not fall in😂😂

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The digestion thing was a joke. He is far above his power level. Crytorrak>non organic life form.

So a organic life form can have a brain but a non organic life form cannot have a brain, quit playing stupid. He has a brain, show me any proof that he is resistant to Telepathy or has no brain for that matter.

He was running away from cops. He has a brain stimpy.

and what exactly is the Crytorrak going to do with Sandman. If Juggerman tries to hit him he'll pass right through.

Well, yeah. An organic lifeform can have a brain, since a brain, is, you know, an organ, but a non organic lifeform can not have a brain, since, you know, it lacks proteins, much less organs. Keep trying.

This is a sentient pit of sand created by wacky science. Please prove that such a being requires a brain to have consciousness.

Originally posted by Lestov16
and what exactly is the Crytorrak going to do with Sandman. If Juggerman tries to hit him he'll pass right through.

Well, yeah. An organic lifeform can have a brain, since a brain, is, you know, an organ, but a non organic lifeform can not have a brain, since, you know, it lacks proteins, much less organs. Keep trying.

This is a sentient pit of sand created by wacky science. Please prove that such a being requires a brain to have consciousness.

How did he know to run from the cops? Anyone with a brain knows to run from cops if they are after you.

Spiderman and green goblin were able to hurt him, Blubbernaut?

You also ignored my previous post.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Neither electro or sandman are doing anything to juggernaut who took wolverine's claws without a scratch. Sandman has only showed this in the comics and since the human body is mostly water if he tried entering he kill himself.

Pretty sure Sandman has enough mass that he doesn't need to fit his entire 50 ft body into a 6 foot guy. And even if his sand grains became inert upon entering juggernaut, he can still fill up juggernaut with enough sand until he suffocates. He'll just pull a Joffrey Baratheon and "give Juggernaut his fill"

Originally posted by Lestov16
Pretty sure Sandman has enough mass that he doesn't need to fit his entire 50 ft body into a 6 foot guy. And even if his sand grains became inert upon entering juggernaut, he can still fill up juggernaut with enough sand until he suffocates. He'll just pull a Joffrey Baratheon and "give Juggernaut his fill"
You still lack screen feats that juggernaut can be suffocated from this weak guy.
The battle gets so heated the London bridge falls like the song. Sandman dies.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Pretty sure Sandman has enough mass that he doesn't need to fit his entire 50 ft body into a 6 foot guy. He only grew that big because there was a lot of sand around him in the final fight, he never shown to get that big unless there is a lot of sand nearby so no, he wont have his 50 ft body.

He ran off after re reading Op and realized this was on bridge over his biggest weak spot as he has to retract his whole he's 50 feet tall argument.

No he isn't the guy who would run away, he is simply busy.

God your stupidity actually hurts

A) there is no Cytorrak in the XCU Juggs was a mutant nothing else

B) darling this isn't the MU this is the XCU and whilst I'm sure that Emma, Jean or Chuck could have done it in comics there is nothing to suggest that they can do it in movies (iirc in First Class Eric & Chuck captured Emma and had to get her to de-diamonise before Chuck could read her mind

C) proof that he doesn't have an organic brain?

When he recombines himself you can see chunks missing out of his head where there is just sand

He is capable of thinking and moving as a giant flying sand cloud

When Pete fights him in the subway (?) Pete puts Sandman's head up against a moving train removing half his head. all of it is just sand

Yes he does have a consciousness but no physical mind to read

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
What?
I still wanna know what you were talking about here

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Well it isn't exactly in but after their first encounter sand had managed to get in Spideys mouth under his costume

He has never been a mutant, even in the comics which the movie is based off, you actually pretty stupid, go read a book or comic. You good a mimicking Lest but your missing a organic brain.

Like i said before anyone who runs from the cops has a brain.

He's calling people stupid yet he was arguing spiderman had FTL reactions.

Technically, Juggs wasn't shown to have Cyttorak in X3; he was, in fact, a mutant and not Xavier's stepbrother.

X3 sucked for many other reasons, too.

Originally posted by Impediment
Technically, Juggs wasn't shown to have Cyttorak in X3; he was, in fact, a mutant and not Xavier's stepbrother.

X3 sucked for many other reasons, too.

His powers and origin were stated as a unknown origin correct? In the comics no one knew where his powers came from until he revealed them? Being the movie was based off the comics I'm inclined to think they came from Cyttorak as its based off the comic books.

juggernaut wiki

Ctrl/f "Vinnie"

GCS would you kindly shut the f*ck up please? Thank you

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His powers and origin were stated as a unknown origin correct? In the comics no one knew where his powers came from until he revealed them? Being the movie was based off the comics I'm inclined to think they came from Cyttorak as its based off the comic books.


So you're basing your opinion on something that isn't canon to the X-men movie?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
juggernaut wiki

Ctrl/f "Vinnie"

GCS would you kindly shut the f*ck up please? Thank you

Thanks you just confirmed my post his powers come from Cryttorak. Would it kindly shut up now?

You lost, best be stepping.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His powers and origin were stated as a unknown origin correct? In the comics no one knew where his powers came from until he revealed them? Being the movie was based off the comics I'm inclined to think they came from Cyttorak as its based off the comic books.

Totally understandable, but X3 was a dramatic re-imagining of the world of X-Men, remember? A lot of things were changed. Most for the worst.

I mean, if Juggs had Cyttorak he would never have been held in iron straps and a cage because he'd be too strong. The manifest report read as "do not allow subject to gain momentum as he will be unstoppable." Juggs was on a prison truck for mutants along with Mystique and Jamie Madrox.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thanks you just confirmed my post his powers come from Cryttorak. Would it kindly shut up now?

You lost, beat be stepping.

You might want to read the link before claiming that it backs up your stance.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're basing your opinion on something that isn't canon to the X-men movie?

Like people basing their cannon arguments that sandman has no brain? Or that he can be 50ft yall without help from the environment, or that he can't be controlled by Telepathy.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thanks you just confirmed my post his powers come from Cryttorak. Would it kindly shut up now?

You lost, best be stepping.

Also, everyone needs to down shift gears, please. It's okay to do a little trash talking, but this is starting to get kinda ugly.

Originally posted by Impediment
Totally understandable, but X3 was a dramatic re-imagining of the world of X-Men, remember? A lot of things were changed. Most for the worst.

I mean, if Juggs had Cyttorak he would never have been held in iron straps and a cage because he'd be too strong. The manifest report read as "do not allow subject to gain momentum as he will be unstoppable." Juggs was on a prison truck for mutants along with Mystique and Jamie Madrox.

Another scenario similar is silver surfer and galactus. It was never stated that he got his powers from galactus or that in fact he had power cosmic, are we going to say otherwise because it was no said so in the movie? No because we know it to be so

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Like people basing their cannon arguments that sandman has no brain? Or that he can be 50ft yall without help from the environment, or that he can't be controlled by Telepathy.

I'm not part of that conversation as I didn't see the movie in question, I have however seen the X-men movies and knew that you were wrong about the Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm not part of that conversation as I didn't see the movie in question, I have however seen the X-men movies and knew that you were wrong about the Juggernaut.

Your might want to read above as it invalidates your arugement.

Can you not read?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Your might want to read above as it invalidates your arugement.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Can you not read?

I can, let me help you read if your page is to small to scroll up

"Another scenario similar is silver surfer and galactus. It was never stated that he got his powers from galactus or that in fact he had power cosmic, are we going to say otherwise because it was no said so in the movie? No because we know it to be so"

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it doesn't.

Where did silver surfer get his powers from?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Where did silver surfer get his powers from?

Surfer isn't part of this thread, do try and stay on topic.

Bottom line is: The Juggernaut got knocked out by slamming head first into a wall when he was attacking Shadowcat and Leech.

Remember Leech? The mutant kid who negates the powers of other mutants?

Yeah. Juggernaut is a mutant and doesn't have Cyttorak.

I've presented irrefutable proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Surfer isn't part of this thread, do try and stay on topic.

Nice dodge but it does not hide the truth that just because something is not directly on screen does not make it cannon

It was never said that surfer had power cosmic or that his powers came front galactus but that does not change the fact that it does.

Same thing goes for Juggernaut.

Read a comic book.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nice dodge but it does not hide the truth that just because something is not directly on screen does not make it cannon

It was never said that surfer had power cosmic or that his powers came front galactus but that does not change the fact that it does.

Same thing goes for Juggernaut.

Read a comic book.

The movie made it very clear that the Juggernaut was a mutant, including the fact that the mutant cure worked on him.

The Juggernaut has been established a a mutant per the self contained canon of X3 and not comic books.

Moving on.

Originally posted by Impediment
Bottom line is: The Juggernaut got knocked out by slamming head first into a wall when he was attacking Shadowcat and Leech.

Remember Leech? The mutant kid who negates the powers of other mutants?

Yeah. Juggernaut is a mutant and doesn't have Cyttorak.

I've presented irrefutable proof.

So then it's the same fallacy as SS gets his powers from the board and not Power Cosmic, soon as the board is removed he loses his power.

Marvel is pretty bad at making movies with continuity.

Exactly.

The canon in Marvel movies is a complete 180 from comic books.

That's why movie canon matters here in the MVF.

Since you are being deliberately obtuse

Originally posted by Impediment
Exactly.

The canon in Marvel movies is a complete 180 from comic books.

That's why movie canon matters here in the MVF.

Ok Ill try not to apply comic book logic here but then I ask the same if people to not provide unsubstantiated/un displayed screen feats? Thats only fair?

Marvel didn't make the X-men or F4 movies, 20th Century Fox did.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ok Ill try not to apply comic book logic here but then I ask the same if people to not provide unsubstantiated/un displayed screen feats? Thats only fair?

We've proved that telepathy doesn't work on inorganic objects

Originally posted by maxivitopowe


GCS would you kindly shut the f*ck up please? Thank you http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/322/a/1/u_mad__by_xxstein-d5lcupt.jpg

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
We've proved that telepathy doesn't work on inorganic objects

We also proved that sandman is fighting over bridge of water which happens to be his biggest weakness and can't access sand and become 50ft. So whats your point?

I love how the computer senses reads "in orgainic object" when the sandman was created, thus somehow that proves he has no brain.

He had a brain enough to know to run from the cops.

He can fly

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
He can fly

Please be real and come up with a real argument. He has a brain, his weakness is water, they are fighting over a bridge.

Juggernaut throws a glass of water at sandman

/thread.

He can though

And Chuck wasn't able to read Emma's mind when she was diamond

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
He can though

And Chuck wasn't able to read Emma's mind when she was diamond

Strawman arguement as it pertains to nothing in this thread. He gets dropped in the river by Azael.

I swear you people are gonna give me an aneurysm

This is the British spelling
I am British



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Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I swear you people are gonna give me an aneurism

Its "Aneurysm"

Your straining so hard because your going against all logic.

They're both I'm my dictionary
Thanks for the spell check any way

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
They're both I'm my dictionary
Thanks for the spell check any way

Care to debate more why a guy with no brain automatically has the sense to run away from the cops?

He has no physical brain a seen the couple off times when he should have received massive brain trauma

He has conscious thoughts and memories

But I've proved this already

I've also proved that that Chuck himself couldn't read Emma's mind when she was in diamond form

Why do you keep on rehashing the same points

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
He has no physical brain a seen the couple off times when he should have received massive brain trauma

He has conscious thoughts and memories

But I've proved this already

I've also proved that that Chuck himself couldn't read Emma's mind when she was in diamond form

Why do you keep on rehashing the same points

You have not proven anything, he gets dropped in the river and he dies. He has a brain because he knew to run from the cops. If he had no brain he would have no clue how to speak. Going intangible does not make you automatically not have a brain. This is the weakest argument I've ever heard.

Emma being in diamond form means nothing.

So now you're going to use the "inorganic" thing as some kind of strawman? LOL. And no, Manhattan doesn't have a physical brain. Thanks for playing though

Actually, this is from the OP:

Fight takes place on London Bridge, England at high noon. The fight cannot leave the bridge. No BFR.

Originally posted by Impediment
Actually, this is from the OP:

Fight takes place on London Bridge, England at high noon. The fight cannot leave the bridge. No BFR. Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Sandman, Gg and Electro take to the air, laying down devastating AoE attacks

Either Electro or Venom or Doc go for Emma who has taken on diamond form to be able to shrug off most attacks

Venom has a 3/10 chance off winning

Doc wins 10/10 but there is also the chance that Emma will turn human again and mind control him but the arms are sorta sentient so they crush her if she does this

Electro has a 7/10 were he uses her as a focus to intensify his powers

Electro then asks Toad if he know what happens when electricity strikes a toad. Toad screams
"NOT AGAIN!!!!!" and nopes right the **** outta the fight

I seriously don't know who wins but just want to point out that Emma is still very vulnerable in "diamond" form. Magneto proved it by almost strangling her to death with a freaking bed frame. It was dumb. But hey its there in First Class.

Not sure who on team one is strong enough to crack her skin though. The amount of force Eric can exert using metal as a medium can lift a sub.

I'm assuming the bed frame was some sort of it hollowed out copper or brass. I suppose it could have been solid. It was in a mansion so it likely wasn't some cheap walmart crap.

either way I'd think the metal would just well, do nothing except restrain her just she doesn't appear to have any significant super strength. That is if her skin really is diamond.

I havent seen Spidey 2. Maybe Rhinos got high end strength feats?

Which Green Goblin?

I assume this is First Class Emma? When has she ever shown feats of completely controlling hostile enemies? All she could do to Magneto on the boat was give him a headache and that still didn't stop him from throwing a knife at Shaw. Sandman can fill Juggy's lungs, end of story. Azazel is the biggest problem for team 1's fleshier members.

It won't be easy, but I believe team 1 pulls out a win.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure who on team one is strong enough to crack her skin though. The amount of force Eric can exert using metal as a medium can lift a sub.

That was before he had found the focus to lift a sub though. That was weak Mags.

Dafoe Green Goblin.

My bad.

Yeah her getting choked out like that made me wtf-chuckle.

Side note. Isn't this Emma supposed to be the same younger one from Wolverine Origins who used her diamond form to tank gunfire?