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I was just reading Ultimate X-Men, and in the fight between Wolverine and Sabertooth is the Weapon X storyline Sabertooth wonders what would happen if he tried to drown Wolverine and if his healing factor would help him somehow or if it would be useless.

This got me wondering, how would you kill someone with a healing ability like Wolverine and all the others like him. Has it been done before in a comic and if so how?

Go wild with your suggestions.

Depends on how good their healin factor is. Wolvie can just be shot in the eye and the bullet will destroy his brain. He aint recoverin from that. People like deadpool though, they have to be completly destroyed (now hes immortal though)

Then why has no one tried it before? What would happen if you deprive them of air or gave them a power dose of poison/gas/radaiation, there has to be some limit to thier healing powers.

Deadpool dived into a pool of gamma crap and it burned his epidermis off, he survived. Deadpool's healin factor is much stronger though.

I know Wolverine can survive Blowfish poison, enough of it to kill 10 men... and he can go through tear gas and shit pretty much unfazed.

deadpul gettin his skin burned off isnt all that special... wolverine had a nuke dropped ON HIM, which burned him down to pretty much his skeleton... he survived fine enough to stand up and fight in THE NEXT ISSUE which took place a few hours later...

that was in Venom on the Run. crap-ass writing...Wolverine's healing factor isnt that strong.

wolverine and sabretooth would have to be dropped and held down in either a superheated molten material or a plasma, or have direct contact with antimatter.
deadpool can be killed. the problem is that he'll completely heal up and revive a few hours later.

Wolverine and sabretooths healing factors arent THAT strong. They cant even regrow lost limbs.

Healing and regeneration are confused all too often. if you can heal a wound on a body part, cool. But if you can grow back that body part after it's loss, that's another matter.

If someone can JUST heal. Then just give them a wound that is unhealable. Like bullet to the heart or brain. Coz healing factor is making them no different from you and I other than, they can cut their finger and have it heal in minutes/seconds instead of hours. So give them a wound that would kill them instantly and it's over.

-AC

Ahhh.. Good point. You deserve a cracker, or a cookie.

Well you could cut off Deadpools limbs and head then burn him.

you cant penetrate wolverine's skeleton though.. so a "shot to the brain" just aint gonna happen

Well if Wolverine JUST had healing and not regeneration (which he appears to have), then a shot to the heart would kill him. Stops pumping blood to the brain before he heals and then he's dead.

You can chop Deadpool up all you want. He will just go to Death's kingdom, get turned away and be back annoying the shit out of you again before you know it. I don't mind him being an immortal coz he doesn't have other ridiculous powers. That and if he ever died permanently I'd hate it.

-AC

what if he did get excepted instead of getting rejected.

Then he'd stay dead. Thanos requested that Death (his sorta girlfriend at the time) keep him out coz he didn't like Deadpool being around her.

-AC

oh ok so when thanos breaks up with this person he can die and rest in peace.

Wolverine ain't SUPPOSED to have regeneration, he's SUPPOSED to have just normal healing, unless some events transpired to increase his healing to regeneration. And how the **** is a adamantium skeleton going to prevent a bullet from entering your eye? Its not, itll make the problem worse because the bullet will ricochet around in his head.

Beat them continuously so there healing factor doesnt have time to work, take them out with one fatal strike or destroy any vital organs that should do the trick

Chopping off his or hers head will always kill a super healer. Unless there like Freddy or Jason.

The eye socket doesn't have anywhere for a bullet to get into Wolverine's brain though Nataku.

-AC

ok. but most likely wolverine wont let that happen.

cuz wolverine is like one of their main super heros who is liked a lot by a lot of ppl so most likely he would not get shot in the eye.

ducan mcleod has the best healing factor hes regenerated limbs before

There is no bone behind your eye... your eyes are connected directly to your brain.

dude! what do you think eyesockets are? its an indentation in your skull that holds your eyeball! and im pretty sure his skull (and eyesockets) are laced with adamantium! honestly your argument is weak.

http://www.gwc.maricopa.edu/class/bio201/skull/skul2.jpg

Notice the openings where the eyes go through to connect to the brain. Also, the nose is nothing but cartalage and firing through his nose would go directly into his brain.

ok but wolverine wont get shot in the eye.

"There is no bone behind your eye... your eyes are connected directly to your brain."

Probability of an actual sized bullet getting in there though?

-AC

a bunch of you are insane, a bullet to the eye will not kill wolverine.*i repeat* A bullet to the eye will not kill wolvie. granted his healing factor isnt as profound as deadpool's, but its still pretty fantastic. like ive said before whenever he gets shot anywhere his body spits the bullets back out after a few secs. I remember seeing this personally a long time ago just before he was "feral wolverine" and his costume was brown and yellow. they showed him diving into a troop of soldiers and he had bullets wounds all over his body, including his left eye, and he was completely healed up a few panels later and you saw the spent shells at his feet*wish i remembered the issue*

Also, we have seen him get burnt the f*ck up many many times. and the only time he has died from it was when the sentinel killed him in "Days of future past" he's been burnt down to his skeleton b-4, brain matter and all and he came back.

so all this bs talk about bullet richoceting in his skull is laughable. as a matter of fact i thin i'll have a laugh right now............ha ha ha ha ha!*tear rolls down cheek*

the only reason the bullet gets pushed back out is cuz his skeleton is there to stop it, then the healing factor kicks in. Really, without the skeleton, the bullet would go straight to his brain and kill him. And yes, being shot upward through the nose or at the correct angle through the eyes would indeed kill him. Probability that it would happen, VERY SLIM, but possible nonetheless...

In cable and deadpool Deadpool throws a pebble the size of a bullet and takes a dragonfly right out of the sky. His accuracy is ridiculous, not PERFECT, but definitly good enough to go through Wolvie's eyes or nose, or if he gets the change, under his chin up through his mandible flesh and the area behind the plate inside his skull into his brain.

Or he could just shoot him from behind where the skull meets the vertabre... or sever his head from his body... your discs aren't linked directly together, you could slice through them with a sharp blade and a strong slice.

well didnt wolvie do that to sabertooth. or did wolvie crack his spine in 2.

wolverine and sabretooth have the same healing factor as deadpool, the only difference is speed. wolverine has lost and regenerated an Eye and his claws before, he's also healed from a punctured heart. sabretooth has healed severe brain damage and internal organ loss. I'm pretty sure they can regenerate limbs.

Regeneration is different to healing. You cannot heal from instant death.

-AC

ok i was thinking of something that had to do with wolvie and deadpool and this is off topic. ok i forgot which thread but does anyone rember the pic of deadpool doing is street fighter move against shadowkat well i was wondering why does wolverine claws look like bone instead of adamantium.

Coz they are bone. Adamantium coated.

-AC

oh ok. then.i thought he didnt have any adamantium.

It involves REGENERATION if he comes back from a skelaton. You can't replace internal organs, muscle tissue and brain tissue with SCAR tissue and have a living organism. So regeneration is a component of healing factors.
That said, RL healing is not centered in the brain but is carried out by cells throughout the tissues. Satellite muscle cells that live on the surface of muscle fibers, for example. So, if you were basing a healing factor on a revved-up RL mechanism, each tissue would have to regenerate itself with some replacement cells and some cellular matrix (scar tissue). (I think; but we need a doctor here) Anyway, it seems like some of each tissue would have to be left. But this regenerating capacity doesn't seem to involve structured growth just new cell and matrix growth. So how would you restore the pattern of the muscles, organs, and bones?
You have to THROW OUT EVERYTHING we know about human tissue repair and conclude that healing factors are a unique mechanism. Who knows if killing the brain would affect the healing factor? What is it, really, on a cellular level? Must be more like an energy pattern, an energy-based thing. Chinese concept of Qi, maybe?

amen fever red! but the healing factor is on a cellular level, in fact i think it has something to do with the cells in the blood.

if you all could turn with me to the book of the Punisher:verses "when spider man,daredevil, and wolverine tried to stop him" Frank shot wolvie with a RPG in the stomach, and it took out his entire abdomenal and thoracic cavity(basiaclly all his internal organs)and they had to put him in a bathtub and wait for all that stuff to grow back.

when i mentioned that his body spits bullets back out, this is due to the fact his tissues regenerate, and there is no room for bullets and new tissue.

at first when i brought this up i was hoping that somebdy like NEVER, or ALPHA CENTAURI would talk some sense into PPL, but alas they never seem to be there when you need 'em(sigh)

Thats because Alpha agrees with us for the most part....

A lot of times the comics really exagerate on character's abilities or under-exagerate (Dont know the word for it) I find wolverine's healing factor to be a very common culprit of this. Like I've said before, it can't regrow limbs, because it can't grow new bones. So i'm guessing it can regrow organs, but not bone. Therefore if you remove his head, he will die.

I must admit. I do like how I've become a renouned figure on these forums in about a month.

-AC

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WAIT A SEC............YOU'RE A GIRL?

HOW ABOUT HAVING MY KIDS?.....................IF YOU'RE GIRL, THAT IS

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I wasn't serious...

Yeah but how can anyone remove his head if his bones are coated with Adamantium and Adamantium is indestructible. So it would be almost impossible to remove his skull from the rest of his body unless someone burned him EXTREMELY to the point where the Adamantuim melts then you would be able to remove his head because only normal bones are left after that.

First point, adamantium doesnt melt. Second point, you have enough space between each vertebrae for a SWORD to fit where it will force through the disc and push the vertabrae apart, and slice open the spinal cord. Bam, no more head. The ideal zone would be between C2 and C3, or C3 and C4.

http://www.uhn.ca/programs/spine/images/spinal_map.jpg

It does melt how do you think they got it on to Wolverine's body sherlock?

Once soldified it cannot be melted again, it starts as a liquid, then once hardened it will not be malleable again

So what you are saying is that even if they threw it in the sun it would not melt.

Actually it wouldnt. It would not be able to change form, or so it is supposed to be, it would be burnt up before it changed shape.

ok we can say that earth does not have the resources to melt adamantium

Doubtful that would actually happen.

Why's that? Deadpool's aim not good enough? I highly doubt that it isn't, and considering how strong he is, and how sharp his swords are, if he decided to do it i know he could.

I said its doubtful because Wolverine is too quick and aware for that to happen remember he would probably know Deadpool is coming before he is actually near him. He would probably have to be sitting perfectly still for that to happen.

Yes, I think it could (maybe) be done. Because the spinous processes (pointy things on the right side of the picture) protect the intervertebral spaces from the rear, Deadpool would have to strike while Wolverine's neck was flexed (head bent forward toward his chest) as this would open the joints towards the rear and lift the spinous processes. A precisely angled sword stroke could slip in. However; don't the laminar processes (similar pointy things on the right and left sides of the vertebrae) articulate (join togethor) laterally (to eithor side of the spine)? They may stop the blow short and decapitation may not be possible, but perhaps the spinal cord would be severed.
Golly, I'm a huge geek.

It could, but the sword is acting as a wedge. This could easily be set up with a strong knee to wolverine's stomache, causing his body to bend around the knee.

Since the adamantium wont stop the blade, itll cause the momentum to slide into the nich and force it open, or just stop short of severing his head with his body going limp. Then deadpool can hack away at it until he pulls the damn thing off.

If youll excuse me i have to change my sig.

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WHAT HE KILLED SABERTOOTH!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Like I've said before, writer's exagerate. Wolverine could never survive a nuke, because he couldn't regrow a hand. It's like when venom beat hulk... just done to make the character look better.

adamantium was not bonded to wolverine in a liquid form. the weapon x base had a nuclear reactor. through Kenji Oyama (Lord Darkwind's) process, resoirvors of adamantium were kept super-heated in a near plasma form at which point the adamantium was molecularly bonded to his bones, hence why the bones are "bonded, not "plated" and why wolverine can still produce red blood cells. don't believe everything the movie says. adamantium can still be melted by extremely intense heat, cyclops' optic blast at full force can atomize adamantium for example.

What the **** are you talking about? None of that info is from the movie... its from an OFFICIAL marvel source. Why don't you click that link i put up and read it! It says it can be melted and once it forms its solid shape it cannot be reformed, even if heated enough to cause it to liquify.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.htm

I don't think that is an Official Marvel source, and if it is, it is not very accurate because it states on the same page that

"Wolverine possesses artificial claws made of True Adamantium and his bones have been fused with Adamantium in an unexplained manner so as to greatly increase their tensile strength."

When it is common knowledge that Wolverine's claws are not artificial but natural that has been with him since the begining (read Wolverine - Origin).

Also I ready in a comic book recently that they have produced a bullet that can pierce through Adamantium, so the whole Adamantium thing is becoming less and less of an indistructable thing this days.

And it all began with Hulk crushing adamantium.

-AC

read marvel comics presents...weapon X

What would happen if you locked Wolverine in an Adamantium cage and you don't feed him or give him water? Wouldnt he die in the end? How can his heeling factor or Adamantium infused bones help him here?

from new x-men 148:
logan to phoenix: I once survived while trapped under a glacier by cutting off strips of my own arm and eating them. healing factor healed it right back.

Ahhhh but you die from thirst before you die from hunger anyway, in a glacier there is ice which he can turn to water but where is he going to get water in a cell?

By the way that was grose, whoever came up with that idea (while ingenuis) is a very sick person...

maybe he could drain some of his own blood, or most operatively, when he digest strips of hiis own arm, his digetsive track will absorb as much water from them as possible, hence, urine

Agent Zero/Marverick in Weapon X can fire some sort of corrosive enzyme. He used it on Sabretooth, the more Sabretooth's body tried to heal its self, the greater the reaction from the enzyme, thus just increasing his injuries. Agent Zero most likely could have killed him like this, and this is with an increased healing factor (courtesy Weapon X)

it was probably the same crap they used to melt deadpool

That's pretty f*cked up, lol. Funny, but f*cked up.