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they are both crazy tuff, and one is the ultimate badass. who wins

no one wins. the fight goes on forever.

i think lobo would take this, somehow, acaualy i dont know, they would be fighting for a real long time, lobo would probably need to take a break for some alcohol, but then continue to fight for a real long time...

Lobo wins when he suggests they go smash space mailboxes instead.

If the battle was fought in the Marvel Universe, Lobo would die. Plenty of people or cosmic entities would take his soul.

If you can't beat the other person down, you lose. Juggernaut wins in the end.

yeah Lobo cant match Juggs in strength

another dc/marvel battle??? i dont even wanna comment on this one.

Juggernaut because Lobo is a sorry character. Lol

yea ima have to go with jugs....

They fight for a while, then Juggernaut says, "Screw this, you wanna grab a beer then kill some people or somethin'?", Lobo's like whatever, and they walk off to the nearest bar. No one in that bar is heard from again.

yah, juggy. after about a week of fighting.

Juggernaut, for three excellent reasons

1. Juggernaut can't be hurt by Lobo
2. Lobo sucks
3. Lobo sucks

lobo might win for one reason, he is like a looney toon he is so powerfull, and the way he wins is just funny, this was brought up in that lobo vs wolverine thread

Are you kidding me? There's no way in HELL Lobo could win Juggernaut is unstoppable!

One can't die, the other can't be hurt(it seems as if Lobo doesn't feel pain either, he was blasted in half and didn't make a grunt), the fight would last forever. Or until they realize they could do so much more if they teamed up and conquered the FRAGGIN' UNIVERSE.

Bastiches.

holy shit, look at THAT!

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/slaine/444/bisley/lobo/lobo12.jpg

lol, thats frikin awsome

Actually that's stupid. There is absolutely no anticipation and excitement from reading a character like that. Lobo is completely one-dimensional and the only reason he's so powerful is because Heaven and Hell don't want him *stupid concept, Hell would take anyone.* Juggernaut would destroy Lobo if not for that asinine plotline. He'd still rip him apart, and eventually Lobo would get the picture that there's no point continuing the fight.

Yeah, but Lobo is funny as hell. He's meant to be one-dimensional. He's totally unrealistic, and that's exactly what he's intended to be, moreso than anyone else in DC. Hell not wanting him, that goes right into that. Yeah they'll take anyone, they're saying that for Hell not wanting him, that he has to be a VERY f*cked up individual. You're thinking a little too realistically on it, although some characters it realism, Lobo is the one that's not meant to be real by any means whatsoever.

Juggurnaut stronger than Lobo? lol i dont think so! Lobo matches Superman's strenght and might be stronger, can't die, seems you dont even know who lobo is =/. Superman IS stronger than Jugg too.

You don't seem to understand the concept of a parody(he's a parody of Wolverine). Or of a character who is ment to be completely unrealistic. You can't take Lobo seriously if you're going to read his character.

Lobo has Superman-level strength(40,000 tons), a healing factor, is durable as ****, and is immortal. AND he has a blatant disregard for any life whatsoever. I love this guy.

This is him in Heaven, punching a guard's skull in half.

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/slaine/444/bisley/lobo/lobo25.jpg

Just...beautiful. *tear*

When this character is pitted against serious *for comic books* characters, he is meant to be taken seriously, ergo he is not simply a 'parody.' Furthermore, parodies are generally amusing, Lobo is in no way amusing to a mature and intelligent reader. As for his Superman-strength, Superman is capable of lifting upwards of 6 million tons *at least old Superman* so that's nowhere close.

No, Lobo isn't amusing to those with a stick up their ass. Lobo isn't amusing to those without a good sense of humor. A twisted sense of humor. Get a sense of humor, man. I know plenty of mature and intelligent people who love Lobo, because they have a good sense of humor.

and when I said 40,000 tons, I meant Superman. And I never said that was his limit anyway, it's his average. Superman has been shown to move/lift way more than 40,000 tons.

I have a sense of humor. I find Spider-Man funny. Hell I even find Deadpool funny. Lobo's not funny. That is obviously a subjective view, so there's no point in arguing it, but he is meant to be taken seriously when he's put up against Superman and not beaten senseless. Immortal or not, you can still get beaten.

True. When a parody comes walking in the DC-universe and plans to stay there, it's no longer a parody, but just one of guys of the DC-Universe.

I don't like Lobo (too strong, even for a comic character), but I can admit he actually CAN be funny from time to time. But he's soooo exaggerated... (and no, he ain't a parody anymore).

You know that Lobo was introduced in Omega Men, right? From the very beginning, he was interacting with serious characters from DC. By your logic, Lobo was never a parody, even though his creators clearly stated that he was.

Juggernaut would crush him. Then after getting bored he'd go start something with the X-men

I don't really find what Lobo does funny but I laugh at his concept. They give him the "stupidly powerful" awknowledgement that they refuse to give Superman.

Lobo is comedy for those who find things that are ridiculously exaggerated, funny. If you're super serious about comic books, and think that they should all be serious works of literature, then no, you won't find Lobo funny.

And yes, Lobo is still a parody. Lobo was created as a parody, and has stayed a parody. Just because you pit a comedic character against a serious character, that doesn't change what the character was based upon. That's like saying when you pit Deadpool up against Wolverine, Deadpool isn't supposed to crack jokes.

Gregory is right by the way, Lobo made his first appearance in OmegaMan, back in 1983.

wow i really need to catch up with my lobo reading can someone give me names of comics they recommend, preferably tpbs? any help would be great.

Lobo, Vol. 1, #1-4 (The Last Czarnian)

Lobo's Back #1-4

Lobo: Infanticide #1-4

Lobo Unbound #1-6

The Lobo Paramilitary Christmas Special #1

I've posted my favorite, but a complete list is at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5178/Lobo-FAFQ.html#Appear

People seem to mistake actual facts for stated claims. The writers can claim whatever they like. Writers often claim things that are not necessarily true. Their intentions may have been to make Lobo a parody, but when Lobo is put in serious storylines, he is no longer a parody. The very definition of the word is changed, and that is what matters, not what the writers claim. If the writers had continued to keep Lobo as a parody, then they would not have created the plotlines and placed him in the scenarios in which they did. That's just the way it is; funny or not is subjective, but what is objective is the fact that he is meant to be taken as a serious character when included in serious storylines.

And of course I do not take comic books as serious works of literature, but when Deadpool cracks jokes, he is doing so as a human character with serious strengths and weaknesses. He is not meant to be a lame-Superman/Wolverine rip-off *regardless of your respect for the character, he cannot truly be viewed as anything different* who can't die because Hell won't take him. That is absurd and not amusing in the least. If Lobo were a solo character with no ties or relations whatsoever to other characters in the DC universe, that would be different.

It's amusing BECAUSE it's absurd!

Some people just don't get it.

Putting a parody in a serious situation does NOT change the fact that he is a parody. Lobo is a comedic character, and when you take away the outrageous aspect of his persona, it isn't effective anymore. If you notice, the other characters in the DC universe don't respect him and don't take him seriously. The serious characters stay serious, and the comedic characters stay comedic. That's the whole point of them meeting, the personalities clash, and makes for an interesting story. Not neccesarily good, but interesting.

And it wasn't what the writers claim, it's what the creators created.

Comedic characters are different from parodies. The others don't have to take him seriously, but if Lobo is going toe-to-toe with Superman and is holding his own, the character is intended to be taken seriously. Not his personality, but his overall character. There's nothing wrong with him being an absurd character, there is something wrong with him being so absurd that his body is ripped in half and he isn't fazed in the least. That's just asinine.

lobo is a ridiculously kick ass character imo, everytime i read a comic of him its just crazy like having a bowl of bullets coming out of your skull or moving around with a stump for a waist trying to get your torn off legs and taking them to who knows where on your souped up space-chopper

of course comic's are just that, but theres a reason why there isnt an archie vs. nate grey thread (but there probably will be -_-)

There is no reason why a parody character shouldn't interact with a serious character. You keep saying there is, but you're wrong--or at least, you haven't given us a reason, other than "wrathofachilles says so."

You both have strong arguments, now shake hands and get back to the topic.

ummm I think ur all for getting that juggy is way less durable then he use to be rember he lost a lot of his power so I go with lobo

i think it'll be a long fight till juggernaut groes old and dies (if he could even age)...maybe lobo met cyttorak and beat the crap out of him too lol

i'm j/k of course, but theres nothing wrong with a parody character interacting with a serious character, its happened a few times and it really isnt bad, like howard the duck with generationX and silver surfer, or bone and spawn

dude did u hear what I said lol he not as strong as he was even when he was at full power he was beaten bye hulk befor and bye spider man.

There's actually a Howard the Duck parody of Lobo. It's called "Lobo the Duck" and it's awesome.

yeap this is as bad as the doomsday match. In a death or cage match it goes to juggernaut, and in a reagular fight it goes to lobo

superman and juggernaut have limitless sttenght and limitless isn't stornger than limitless. the only reason is that superman has accomplished great feats with his stenght and juggernau doesn't give a shit waht anyone says about his steregnth. and yes lobob is supposed to be a superman/wolverine mixture, but he acn be serious sometimes an whoop ass

I dont think one can beat the other. Is there a way they can even hurt each other? Basically the fight would be kinda pointless. They would probably destroy the whole planet trying to stop each other. It would be cool to see in a comic though.

Nowhere does it say that either Superman OR Juggernaut have limitless strength. You're confusing them with the Hulk, who is the ONLY character with limitless strangth. Everyone else has a limit.

That's rather funny, I don't ever recall saying 'because I say so' smart ass. Don't put words in my mouth. Again, you people seem to have a difficulty understanding the concept of a 'parody.' Parodies interact with parody environments, not serious environments. That's a simple fact that has dated to Aristophanes' times. Comic book writers don't change simple concepts, regardless of their intentions.

What about Flash and Quicksilver, Namor and Aquaman, Gladiator and Superman, Wolverine and Timberwolf(?)?

Next fight : Aristophanes vs Sophocles.

And anyone who suggests that a Howard the Duck storyline is not bad is crazy.


As for the limitless strength, indeed Juggernaut does not have limitless strength. His limits are defined by the limits of Cytorrak, thus he is not capable of Hulk or Superman strength. Superman's strength level is sort of limitless, because the more sunlight he absorbs the stronger he gets. The difference is it increases much more slowly. While Hulk's limits are increased exponentially during a fight, Superman's limits are increased exponentially over the span of years.

Lol, I like that match-up! Except for the fact that Aristophanes is a comedic writer and Sophocles is a tragedian. Depends on whether you want a funny story or a depressing one. Though for me, tragedies are pretty funny.

Yes, you definitly aren't a fan of nonsensical humor. Your loss.

I wasn't going to, but I thought it would be uncharritable to say, "for no reason whatsoever," so I made a reason up for you. If you ever want to give a better reason, feel free.

I gave the actual reason. That's as good as you're going to get. If you don't understand it, I don't know what to tell you.

And Quicksilver, Aquaman, etc. aren't 'parodies', they're 'copies.' They're intended to be taken seriously.


Well except for Gladiator's haircut.

Lobo Vs Juggernaut!

i agree






i took superman out of the debate cause i dont think DC should be included. but Juggernaut is perfectly capable of hulk level strengths, and has proven so because hulk "on the virge of insanity" was no stronger than juggernaut. in fact he had been raging for days in a cell causing no physical damage, yet juggernaut could. this is an errant assumption on YOUR part.





increase exponentially yeah right. he has potential no doubt, but without funneling 2 universes worth of engergy by using celestial tech, he has never proven stronger than juggernaut.

Juggernaut stronger than the Hulk? What madness!? Any way, no matter what anyone says, Lobo IS cool, and so is Howard the Duck. And while Juggernaut is suppose to be unstoppable, this has proven untrue several times. Lobo on the other hand has more clearly defined powers reguardless of his nature as a parody (or the changing of his powers over time.) And to say that he would tire from fighting Juggernaut is rather extreme. Lobo has never tired from battle (at least not in the form in which he would be a match for Juggernaut. Jugs would most likely to be the one who grew tired of such a fight and eventually propose a treaty. If Lobo really grew weary of such a fight, he would strap Jugs to his bike and throw him in a sun, and all Lobo fan boys know that he can ride threw the hottest sun or the coldest space.

Juggernaut doesnt tire, and has proven just as strong as hulk regardless of how mad he was. so basically all this mumbo jumbo = you are wrong

just as strong as hulk?...here we go again

lol........... this forum is very funny at times.....

just as strong as hulk?...here we go again

no if you want to discuss hulk vs. juggernaut go to the hulk vs. juggernaut thread. hulk has never overpowered juggernaut, so leave it at that. does hulk have potential to be stronger??? yes. but has he done that?? no.

I think you are confusing juggernauts ability to take damage with his ability to recieve it. While in his best form, he "cannot be stopped" or even take physical harm. While this may make it seem like he is as strong as the hulk it simply isn't true. There's only one real way to test it. A weight lifting competition. Juggernaut doesn't even come close. Lobo on the other hand come's a little closer.

correction, i think you are confusing juggernauts ability to take damage with his ability to dispense it.

Juggernaut does not tire, you're correct, but he is not as strong as Hulk, nobody is; not Juggernaut, not Lobo, not the new Superman. Again, Juggernaut cannot get stronger, Hulk can. And Hulk on the verge on insanity is not necessarily a big deal, lol. He's always on the verge of insanity. You got to go after his girl, then you'll see who's stronger.

The plain and simple fact of the matter is that both times Hulk and Jugg have had a go at eachother...there was some form of excuse to be made.

Juggernaut tricking Hulk into thinking he was a normal mortal man.

Hulk having celestial armor.

By sheer feats of strength....Hulk has shown to be stronger than Juggernaut. But head to head, they just go back and forth.

This arguement will go back and forth until we all go insane. So just leave it at that, until a new Juggernaut vs. Hulk comic comes out...

I'll write it:

*ahem*



Hulk smash!

Nothing can stop the Juggernaut!

POW!


Hulk smash dome-head man!



Not bad huh?

I actually think hulk would call hi mbucket man or skinny red man

lobo would win against hulk or juggie, why, cos dc is shit and overpowers their creations ( even though huk is limitless in strength theyd have lobo lift the whole solar system up and hurl it at hulk b4 hed changed , then have supes throw a galaxy on top of that after the flash ran around at twice the speed of light , ( going twice infinite density) i mean what a lot of rollocks

Interesting concept.

Here 2 of most indestructible character, in the a big violent impact and destruction combat. Have your opinion.

neither would win...theyd stop fighting ...and go drinkin and whore mongering

This thread already exist.

i know, ive noticed a couple of threads lately that are duplicates...someones not doing their job....allowing the forum to go to the dogs i say! heh

This has been done already.

Merging...

Why would they Fight? Thed probobally get alone

Actually they just might. Especially if Cain has one of his premonitions and sees that it's going no where.

Bump

Lobo has virtually no chance to defeat Juggernaut.

There was a comic where Hulk and Juggs fought. Juggs sucker punched the hulk and the hulk though juggs was just some construction worker because he was only wearing jeans and a t shirt. juggs got hulk in a headlock and proceeded to beat the hulk unconscious. before the hulk passed out he was thinking that he was getting hit to hard and to fast for his body to compensate. I think the red skull had to intervene before the juggernaut killed the hulk. I want to say it came out around the time the New Warriors comic came out, kind of a while ago.

Lobo will not age.

Lobo will win.

LOBO will go to the bar after HE gets bored making Juggy look like the fool he is.

Juggernaut stomps Lobo

Originally posted by juggerman
Juggernaut stomps Lobo

Surely you jest, good man! How would Juggernaut deal with an attack like this:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/?action=view&current=lobo4thwallbreaking2.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surely you jest, good man! How would Juggernaut deal with an attack like this:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/?action=view&current=lobo4thwallbreaking2.jpg It's so tiny I can't see what it is. What is Lobo doing?

Originally posted by Newjak
It's so tiny I can't see what it is. What is Lobo doing?

Oh, woops.

He's threatening a DC editor with violence so that the story can be written how Lobo would like it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, woops.

He's threatening a DC editor with violence so that the story can be written how Lobo would like it. Juggernaut has threatened Marvel Writers before

Lol did it work?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol did it work? They didn't say,

It showed She-Hulk saying that the Marvel Writers were trying to say She never slept with She-Hulk then we see the writers getting a notice that Cain Marko is coming and they are shitting their pants.

So I'm gonna assume that he would have gotten what he wanted

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Lobo will not age. juggernaut cant age

Originally posted by Newjak
Juggernaut has threatened Marvel Writers before he actually sent them to hospital...

Originally posted by Newjak
They didn't say,

It showed She-Hulk saying that the Marvel Writers were trying to say She never slept with She-Hulk then we see the writers getting a notice that Cain Marko is coming and they are shitting their pants.

So I'm gonna assume that he would have gotten what he wanted way before that he sent Stan Lee(TOAA) to the hospital

Originally posted by Reacting2
way before that he sent Stan Lee(TOAA) to the hospital Oh yeah forgot about that

If it's Classic Juggernaut he wins hands down

Lol then endless stalemate, and a good fight, though I guess it depends on who gets BFRed first?

has there ever been a lobo and deadpool crossover? Because that would be hilarious