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Superman wins. Taking as Silvermane and Runaways have defeated/almost defeated them...

Well, if Superman is stupid enough to fly in that big cape, he could have a problem.

I don't that Dagger can really harm Superman however.

dagger can just suck out all the light from spues while cloak tries to absord hm nto the darkforce dimension

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Superman wins. Taking as Silvermane and Runaways have defeated/almost defeated them...

Doesn't mean anything to this fight.

The "A beats C, and C beats B, so A must also beat B" train of thought is flawed.

What can Supes do to Cloak? Dagger may well be a casualty, that might be a given, but she'd might as well be a martyr considering Cloak would snap watching the only person that he loves and that loves him back murdered before his eyes.

He'd eat Kal El's soul with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

well dagger could be a factor in the fight. m she could just suck out alll the light energy that supes has therefore killing him

Originally posted by illadelph12

What can Supes do to Cloak? Dagger may well be a casualty, that might be a given, but she'd might as well be a martyr considering Cloak would snap watching the only person that he loves and that loves him back murdered before his eyes.

He'd eat Kal El's soul with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

What if Superman just smashes them both in the face in two seconds before either of them can react?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What if Superman just smashes them both in the face in two seconds before either of them can react?

Cloak's intangible, and a living aperture into a dimension of darkness that saps the lifeforces of all that enter it save Dagger and beings protected by Dagger's 'light'. Charging into him is not a smart move on Supes' part.

Dagger would not be so lucky because her body is very tangible and does not have an inhanced degree of resistance to physical damage. She can surround her body in an aura of her 'light', but it's not a forcefield. If Supes came in contact with it, it would eb his lifeforce and parylize him, though Dagger would likely be already dead from the impact. Then Cloak, seeing Dagger die, would eat Supes' soul slowly and make him suffer in darkness, with no sunlight to feed his powers and the sorrow of murdering Dagger eating away at his sanity.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Cloak's intangible, and a living aperture into a dimension of darkness that saps the lifeforces of all that enter it save Dagger and beings protected by Dagger's 'light'. Charging into him is not a smart move on Supes' part.


Bruiser, one of the Runaways, ripped away his cape, rendering him useless. Bruiser is 11 year old girl. I think that Superman could do the same.

Cloak and Dagger.

Cloak has been knocked down before.

Originally posted by stormfront13
well dagger could be a factor in the fight. m she could just suck out alll the light energy that supes has therefore killing him

ok then

Originally posted by who?-kid
Cloak has been knocked down before.

many, many, many times

whirly what do you mean by that??

That's what we refer to as PSI: Plot Induced Stupidity.

Cloak's cape is not the source of his powers, it merely helps him control them so that he doesn't envelop every living person in a close proximity into the Darkness Dimension and consume their souls. It's like Cyclops's visor. Ripping his cape off should not have cancelled his powers, it should have unleahed his powers uncontrollably, but for the sake of the story line that lil bit of logical course of action was left out.

Hence, PSI: Plot Induced Stupidity.

Cloak IS intangible, but at times he can become tangible if he wishes or the situation warrants it. He's normally comparable to a living shadow. On countless occasions he's passed through solid objects and had projectiles/objects that were fired or thrown at him pass through him with no effect and scare the shit out of the criminal he was after who mistook him for a ghost. Another display of PSI. Same reason Shadowcat and Martian Manhunter have been physically assaulted on occasion though they could 'phase' through every blow.

To quote Tron:



Now that we have that out of the way:

What will Superman do against Cloak?

people are also forgetting that cloak and dagger fight side by side. if supes tryes to do anything to dagger he won't be able to. she can enter cloaks dimension without being affected because she produces those light daggers. cloak can keep supes busy long enough for dagger to stick her head and hand out and suck all his life light out. cloak does in fact use bodily light. idk what its called but her light is found in humans or something like that and she is able to absorb it and if she absorbs all of it the victim dies. these two are quite powerful together

Oh, and just as an added tidbit (I thought this through):

Supes biomatrix forcefield will not protect him from either Cloak's or Dagger's powers.

Cloak's powers are extradimensional and not a 'physical' attack, he consumes lifeforce or 'light' through exposing victims to his Darkness Dimension.

Dagger's powers are psionic/spiritual in nature, so essentially energy based.

Also something of note that people overlook about Supes biomatrix 'forcefield'; it is air-tight, but it is not inpenetrable to energy attacks. The fact that he absorbs solar rays (energy) in itself shows that the field is susceptible to energy based attacks, logically, also his susceptibility to psionics and telekinesis.

It also allows him to breath, so obviously things can pass through it and effect his innards since he can breath and metabolize air. (Like, for instance, The Atom could shrink to the size of an oxygen atom to pass through Supes matrix and harm him from inside).

Just food for thought...

If he is really always intangible, then how could Silvermane do this:

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Silvermane/SilvermaneSpec.gif

Superman can do anything Silvermane can, and more. Cloak and Dagger aren't probably fast enough to hit him.

PIS.

The story would be really boring if Cloak simply allowed everything to pass through him. There'd be no threat to carry the plot. What would be the point?

Same reason why Flash and/or Superman can be harmed physically by slower opponents and don't stop slower criminals instantly, or why Shadowcat and Martian Manhunter can be physically attacked though they can phase through solid objects. It's not a matter of the characters not having the abilities, it's a matter of the writer not using the abilities fully for the sake of the story. If characters used full power 24/7, the comics would only last 2-3 pages for a lot of the more powerful characters.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/xoops/modules/wordbook/search.php

Superman grabs Dagger, lifts her up the air, tells Cloak to catch her. He then drops him. Cloak turns tangible to catch his best friend, enabling Superman to kill him.

Dagger dies in the drop.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Oh, and just as an added tidbit (I thought this through):

Supes biomatrix forcefield will not protect him from either Cloak's or Dagger's powers.

Cloak's powers are extradimensional and not a 'physical' attack, he consumes lifeforce or 'light' through exposing victims to his Darkness Dimension.

Dagger's powers are psionic/spiritual in nature, so essentially energy based.

Also something of note that people overlook about Supes biomatrix 'forcefield'; it is air-tight, but it is not inpenetrable to energy attacks. The fact that he absorbs solar rays (energy) in itself shows that the field is susceptible to energy based attacks, logically, also his susceptibility to psionics and telekinesis.

It also allows him to breath, so obviously things can pass through it and effect his innards since he can breath and metabolize air. (Like, for instance, The Atom could shrink to the size of an oxygen atom to pass through Supes matrix and harm him from inside).

Just food for thought...

How does the Atom breathe when he's smaller than an oxygen molecule?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Superman grabs Dagger, lifts her up the air, tells Cloak to catch her. He then drops him. Cloak turns tangible to catch his best friend, enabling Superman to kill him.

Dagger dies in the drop.

Cloak can teleport himself and others by means of the Darkness Dimension. He doesn't have to become tangible to use this power.

He could simply teleport her to safety or into the Darkness Dimension, then turn his attention to Superman now that Supes has put Dagger's life in jeopardy and really pissed him off...

yes he can put her in the dark dimension and not have to worry about her cause her light powers protect her in there

Originally posted by illadelph12
Cloak can teleport himself and others by means of the Darkness Dimension. He doesn't have to become tangible to use this power.

He could simply teleport her to safety or into the Darkness Dimension, then turn his attention to Superman now that Supes has put Dagger's life in jeopardy and really pissed him off...

Superman takes Dagger, throws him as far as he can, and shouts to Cloak:

"She flies in New Delhi, you may still have time to catch her!"

And hides somewhere in Nevada to plan an new strategy.