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The entire Trans Tier (as per the Tierings here at KMC) vs Kubik and The Shaper of Worlds under the following conditions:

1) Every single member of the Trans Tier is bloodlusted and will do any and everything in their power to destroy Kubik and The Shaper...

2) The Trans Tier has 1 hour of prep...

3) Kubik and The Shaper have a full day of prep; with this day, they are provided with complete knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of every being they'll be facing in the Trans Tier and will have the opportunity to form a strategy based on that knowledge...


Fight to the Death or KO...no BFR...who wins?

can you make a list of the trans tier? because you know its kinda debatble who is trans and who isnt so it could help if you could be more specific

As per the Tierings here at KMC:

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

They can probably take shaper. Dunno about kubik

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Superman 1 Million

what??? oh hell no , superman 1 million is at least a high skyfather his feats are by far above trans read about the guy before you post something like that

Originally posted by red_turtle
what??? oh hell no , superman 1 million is at least a high skyfather his feats are by far above trans read about the guy before you post something like that He's not high skyfather

That list is years old. It was closed because it stopped serving it function. I'm surprised people still use it for anything more than a shared vocabulary. The conversation in this thread so far is exactly indicative of the conversation in every thread that tries to use it.

They probably win though against the duo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He's not high skyfather

he is AT LEAST a high skyfather boy

Originally posted by red_turtle
he is AT LEAST a high skyfather boy He's not on that level at all son

Solusandra and Appolyon were considered trans level back then? I would've picked either one to beat or stalemate cube beings tbh.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He's not on that level at all son

kal kent while weaken was able to punch 853 centeries into the future with his bare fists and he was so weaken to the point he didnt even have his heat vision and he couldnt fly.

he owned firestorm with only his breath and firestorm is respectfuly a high herald

he was able to hold back the ape galaxy with his force vision and the ape galaxy was stated to be bigger than our own

he is a cosmic being that faces threats on a cosmic level he is stated to be the protector of the 1 million universe and demonstrated cosmic level powers when defending the warlords from cosmic damage using his force field and it didnt even bother him

1 million was stated to be far evolved ordinary superman to the point he could defeat foes like darkseid and doomsday with very easy

Superman 1 Million is at least a high skyfather and people should really give him his deserved respect

here is the official DC tear list and superman 1 million is in the same category as mxy batmite and the great tree under tier 8, he is described to be not only above a skyfather but also above elder gods

Tier 1 - :

The Over-Monitor/ Over-Mind/ Overvoid
The Presence ( Yahweh / Elaine Belloc)


- Tier 2 - :

Meshta
The Great Evil Beast
Rama Kushna
The Source
Synnar
Ultimate Darkness
Ultimate Light


- Tier 3 - :

Lucifer Morningstar
Michael Demiurgos

- Tier 4 - :

Anti-Monitor (full form)
Death (of The Endless)
Mandrakk the Dark Monitor (Dax Novu)
Superman Prime (with the Monitor/Cosmic Armor)
Ultimator (10th Dimensional being)

- Tier 5 - :

Anti-Life Entity
Carnivore
Ion Entity
Kismet (JLA / Avengers crossover)
Parallax Entity
Phantom Stranger
Maldoor, The Dark Lord
Shattered Gods
Spectre (fully powered)
Una, the Cosmic Worm of Heaven and Hell

- Tier 6 - :

Decreator
Eclipso (fully powered)
Endless, The ( Destiny, Dream. Destruction, Desire, Despair, Delirium)
Godwave
King Of Tears
Koth Sugoth
Lords of Hell within their realm ( Azmodus, Neron, Satan, Satannish, Satanus, Shaitan)
Superman-Prime (DC One Million)
Trigon (within his realm)

- Tier 7 - :

Archangel Gabriel
Eclipso (high powered)
Infinite Man
Spectre (high powered)
Time Trapper
Darkseid (The Great Darkness Saga)

- Tier 8 - :

The 5th Dimensional Imps
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Lkz
Yz
Bat-Mite
Qwsp
The Great Tree
Kal Kent (5th Dimensional Queen Powered Superman)

- Tier 9 - :

Spectre (average)
The Lurker
Krona
The Word (The Cosmic Entity)
Imperiex
Brainiac 13
Abraxus
Promethian Giants
The Quantum Mechanics
Black Racer
Black Flash
Kulak
Mystos
Shadrack
Hellion
Eclipso, Wrath of God (average)
Spear of Destiny
Lords and Agents of Order
Lord Kilderkin
J'akk
Kismet
Nabu the Wise
Pantagones
Shat-Ru
St'ann
Terataya
Ynar
Lords and Agents of Chaos
Child
Gorrum
Hytuurnus
Mordru
M'Shulla
Shivering Jemmy
T'Charr
The Weaver
The Shallow Brigade and the Laughing Dancers
The five original Lords of Chaos (Appeared in Grant Morrison's and later Ann Nocienti's Kid Eternity series - #:Chaos is viewed as a good force here)
Typhon
Vandaemon
Zanadu the Chaos Maker
Stigmonus Monsiuer
Retcon Anti-Monitor (Sinestro Corps War)

- Tier 10 - :

Bedlam
Thunderbolt (inhibited)
Doctor Destiny (with Morpheus' Dreamstone Amulet)

- Tier 11 - :

Old Gods
Arzaz (heroic Old God)
Balduur (heroic Old God whose atoms formed New Genesis)
Yuga Khan
The Dreggs (the undead)
Lokee (god of evil)
The Nameless One (evil Old God)
Wotan (ruler of the Old Gods)
S'ivaa the Destroyer and Dark Elements
Mageddon
Clockwerx
King Of Tears (Outside it's realm)
Superman-Prime

- Tier 12 - :

Archangels ( Uriel / Raphael / Sarauquel / Raguel etc)
Ares
The Controllers
Cosmic Gamblers
Cosmic Skyfathers
Darkseid (high powered)
Doctor Fate (fully powered)
Eclipso, The Wrath of God (depowered)
Elder gods of Shazam (Marzosh, Arel, Ribalvei, Voldar, Elbiam, Lumium)
Guardians of the Universe
Highfather Izaya
Lord Marvel
Lords of Hell outside their realm ( Azmodus, Neron, Satan, Satannish, Satanus, Shaitan)
Luck Lord
Millenium Giants
Oblivion
Owners of the Earth
Shazam
Skyfather pantheons ( Odin, Zeus, Dove, etc.)
Solaris
Sun-Eater
Trinity Giants (The Guardians' Gods)
Tynan ( the balance between Chaos and Order)
Zamarons

- Tier 13 - :

Despero
Darkseid (normal)
Helspont
Lord Defile
Hightower
Lord Emp
Doctor Fate (normal)
Validus
Sun-Dipped Superman
Fernus
Takion
Stayne
Hourman III
Waverider
Godfrey Gaius (actual form)
Eye of Ekron
Black Zero
Parliaments ( Parliament of Worlds, Stones, Flames, Waves, Trees)
Firestorm (Elemental)
Swamp Thing (Elemental)
Naiad (Elemental)
Red Tornado (Elemental)
Elemental of Stone
Death Gods (Seth, Pluto, Hel. Half-Rotted, Kali, Hades, Persephone, etc.)
Onimar Synn
Overmaster
The Doctor (any one since each has the powers of all previous Doctors)
Sodam Yat ( Ion)
All Star Superman
Kingdom Come Superman

- Tier 14 - :

Apollo
Atlas
Bizarro
Black Adam
Blithe
Brimstone
Captain Atom
Captain Comet
Captain Marvel
Captain Marvel Jr
Cherubim, The
Cyborg Superman
Dr. Polaris
Doomsday
Firestorm
Flash III
Green Lantern Corps Member
Lightray
Mantis
Martian Manhunter
Mister Majestic
Mary Marvel
Mon-El
Orion
Professor Zoom II
Sentinel
Seraphim, The
Sinestro
Supergirl
Superman (Modern Age)
Triumph
Twilight
Wonder Woman
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Originally posted by iceman24567
He's not high skyfather His Skyfather i'll admit,but not high i presume low to mid..

Originally posted by red_turtle
kal kent while weaken was able to punch 853 centeries into the future with his bare fists and he was so weaken to the point he didnt even have his heat vision and he couldnt fly.

he owned firestorm with only his breath and firestorm is respectfuly a high herald

he was able to hold back the ape galaxy with his force vision and the ape galaxy was stated to be bigger than our own

he is a cosmic being that faces threats on a cosmic level he is stated to be the protector of the 1 million universe and demonstrated cosmic level powers when defending the warlords from cosmic damage using his force field and it didnt even bother him

1 million was stated to be far evolved ordinary superman to the point he could defeat foes like darkseid and doomsday with very easy

Superman 1 Million is at least a high skyfather and people should really give him his deserved respect If that's so than he is mid cause high skyfather can bust a galaxy not just protect one,but yet still can do it in a much larger scale.

Superman Prime as an elder God? Oh hell naw. What has he done to earn that? Destroy a planet?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman Prime as an elder God? Oh hell naw. What has he done to earn that? Destroy a planet? Obviously he can carver...i say his low skyfather..

Originally posted by TheHulk
Obviously he can carver...i say his low skyfather..

High trans to low skyfather... I agree but elder God...I almost pissed on myself when I read that. He doesn't have the fts to put him in that category.

Originally posted by carver9
High trans to low skyfather... I agree but elder God...I almost pissed on myself when I read that. He doesn't have the fts to put him in that category. what are you talking about we talking about a fully grown superboy prime who busted every hero in the universe once......

Originally posted by TheHulk
what are you talking about we talking about a fully grown superboy prime who busted every hero in the universe once......

He fought alternate reality characters and if that is all that it takes to become a high trans tier character or a skyfather then that would make King Hyperion a high end skyfather since his fts of taking on alternate reality universes outweighs Primes.

Originally posted by red_turtle
here is the official...

lol, irony. I hope you see the problem. This is why the forum can't have nice things.

Originally posted by red_turtle
kal kent while weaken was able to punch 853 centeries into the future with his bare fists and he was so weaken to the point he didnt even have his heat vision and he couldnt fly.

he owned firestorm with only his breath and firestorm is respectfuly a high herald

he was able to hold back the ape galaxy with his force vision and the ape galaxy was stated to be bigger than our own

he is a cosmic being that faces threats on a cosmic level he is stated to be the protector of the 1 million universe and demonstrated cosmic level powers when defending the warlords from cosmic damage using his force field and it didnt even bother him

1 million was stated to be far evolved ordinary superman to the point he could defeat foes like darkseid and doomsday with very easy

Superman 1 Million is at least a high skyfather and people should really give him his deserved respect He doesn't deserve such respect you are hyping his feats up he momentarily held back that galaxy whoopdy doo cookies for him the guy aint Odin level

Originally posted by carver9
He fought alternate reality characters and if that is all that it takes to become a high trans tier character or a skyfather then that would make King Hyperion a high end skyfather since his fts of taking on alternate reality universes outweighs Primes. Good point,but really we always think just because if a main universe character beat someone from a different universe in that moment we assume it's weaker than the main versions....that's not right....i mean Ultimate Hulk is stronger than 616 Savage Hulk(during that time savage was known as the main hulk)Ultimate Namor busted FF very easily on land.....

Originally posted by iceman24567
He doesn't deserve such respect you are hyping his feats up he momentarily held back that galaxy whoopdy doo cookies for him the guy aint Odin level

you are right he is above odin level, many people on KMC need very badly to pull there tongue out of odins ass , superman 1 million is above odin in several leagues and it should be clear to anyone it was stated and it was showen on panel that he can match odin while being greatly depowered he owned high heralds

Originally posted by TheHulk
If that's so than he is mid cause high skyfather can bust a galaxy not just protect one,but yet still can do it in a much larger scale.

you wana tell me in your opinion zeus is more powerful? what did he ever do to deserve the title of high skyfather? superman 1 million is so powerful they had to depower him greatly in order to fit him in some kind of storyline and even then he had crazy feats i mean he owned a high herald with just his breath that alone should tell you how powerful he is not to mention holding a freakin galaxy which is much harder than just to bust one

Originally posted by red_turtle
you wana tell me in your opinion zeus is more powerful? what did he ever do to deserve the title of high skyfather? superman 1 million is so powerful they had to depower him greatly in order to fit him in some kind of storyline and even then he had crazy feats i mean he owned a high herald with just his breath that alone should tell you how powerful he is not to mention holding a freakin galaxy which is much harder than just to bust one I'll tell you why but first Give Me moment

Originally posted by red_turtle
you wana tell me in your opinion zeus is more powerful? what did he ever do to deserve the title of high skyfather? superman 1 million is so powerful they had to depower him greatly in order to fit him in some kind of storyline and even then he had crazy feats i mean he owned a high herald with just his breath that alone should tell you how powerful he is not to mention holding a freakin galaxy which is much harder than just to bust one Alright first of all Zeus i don't know he must be mid to high skyfather,Odin is High End.Now look superman 1 million is one of the messed up stepping stones of superman already big success.we have golden age superman who turn to silver age that is Pre-Crisis Superman who was majorly overpowered,non canon All-Star Superman which is a modern age superman that was turn back to Pre-Crisis lvl and there were many upgrades and downgrades so it's not really much talk about and not a big thing.

Now really back to tier.Odin is a high end Skyfather,while Zeus is mid to high.now really skyfather is more like a title,what do i mean take it as this way,Ghost Rider is one of the most powerful beings in the universe,but he is not skyfather,but his power is so great his in their lvl thus putting GR in "Skyfather lvl",but yes i get where you are saying,but look Marvel and DC are different companies,so each company ways of inspecting of how powerful this character maybe and which tier he should be in,are different,whereas like Sentry who has the power of a million exploding suns is really powerful,now with that kind of power you think he will be high herald to low skyfather.but no Zeus was stated to be able to beat even void who is stronger,But look at superman he has many abilities,but no one said how literally powerful he is in terms of power..but look at his fts compared to sentry....it makes sentry million exploding suns look like a spark compared to Superman....

only thing is we can go by feats and by feats superman 1 million is a cosmic being , as stated by DC official power grid and in the comics and all his bios he is stated to be stronger than the gods themselves, he is stated to be above beings like mordru who everybody agree is probably on par with odin so i seriously dont know whats the problem with accepting the fact this version of superman is THAT powerful.

Originally posted by red_turtle
only thing is we can go by feats and by feats superman 1 million is a cosmic being , as stated by DC official power grid and in the comics and all his bios he is stated to be stronger than the gods themselves, he is stated to be above beings like mordru who everybody agree is probably on par with odin so i seriously dont know whats the problem with accepting the fact this version of superman is THAT powerful. Than why did you say his High Skyfather if he is that powerful????

And yeah we can go by fts which than i agree he is skyfather and lol you joined Oct 16th, 2011 so you don't get how people do it in here,here people like carver9 don't go by bios and handbooks....why Hulk 100 tons yet supported a 150 BILLION TON mountain,Gladiator shattered a planet with his punch yet lifted the baxter building not as easy you would think and Thanos obviously stronger than people like Luke Cage yet had his hands contain by handcuffs.....get where i'm going with this...

Originally posted by red_turtle
only thing is we can go by feats and by feats superman 1 million is a cosmic being , as stated by DC official power grid and in the comics and all his bios he is stated to be stronger than the gods themselves, he is stated to be above beings like mordru who everybody agree is probably on par with odin so i seriously dont know whats the problem with accepting the fact this version of superman is THAT powerful.

Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn.

Superman One-Million's greatest feat that I can think of is moving a Galaxy with his force vision.

Edit: And a note, WWK, Infinity isn't Eternity's opposite: Death is. Infinity and Oblivion are opposites.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Than why did you say his High Skyfather if he is that powerful????

And yeah we can go by fts which than i agree he is skyfather and lol you joined Oct 16th, 2011 so you don't get how people do it in here,here people like carver9 don't go by bios and handbooks....why Hulk 100 tons yet supported a 150 BILLION TON mountain,Gladiator shattered a planet with his punch yet lifted the baxter building not as easy you would think and Thanos obviously stronger than people like Luke Cage yet had his hands contain by handcuffs.....get where i'm going with this...

i said that at the very least he is a high skyfather

as far as handbooks the 100 class thing doesnt mean that the max weight one can support is 100 but it tells you that this character can lift 100 and up because they wont make a class for every freaking character otherwise we will have like million classes

while i agree that some characters have high feats and than lower one but sups 1 million has very few apearences and in those apearences he is constantly described as that powerful if its by feats, handbooks, DC statements.... but people on those boards dont like superman very much so when ever there is a chance to doubt his abilities they choose to just like with golden prime and just like with Superman Prime

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn. *clapping* i guess you can take it from here...but really fighting someone who is just as powerful as you as in Odin vs Surtur is not much a ft...

Originally posted by red_turtle
i said that at the very least he is a high skyfather

as far as handbooks the 100 class thing doesnt mean that the max weight one can support is 100 but it tells you that this character can lift 100 and up because they wont make a class for every freaking character otherwise we will have like million classes

while i agree that some characters have high feats and than lower one but sups 1 million has very few apearences and in those apearences he is constantly described as that powerful if its by feats, handbooks, DC statements.... but people on those boards dont like superman very much so when ever there is a chance to doubt his abilities they choose to just like with golden prime and just like with Superman Prime Haha don't worry i LOVE superman actually his my second favorite it's just that we don't agree on this,and actually your right about the 100 class thing expect for Hulk who really was confirm to be at 100 tons baseline strength but either that i'm glad we agree....

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn.

oh dont bring me this bullshit over here, odin has this 1 feat of shaking a multiverse for his entire career thats some old feat he had back then when marvel couldnt establish the power levels properly and odin NEVER EVER repeat this feat so its a PIS feat dont bring this bullshit over here

so what if he fought surtur to stand still? its suppose to tell me something? and 1 Million owned firestorm with a single breath , busted 3 being that were stated on validus level and owned the metal men crew when they combined all there powers together and all this 1 Million did while being depowered

i can see that you know nothing about 1 million, in the 1 million arc superman 1 million also just touched superboy 1 million and took him to a journy across dimensions, he also can apear at any dimension and time he wants just like he was able to assist superman of our own time and just like he was able to take batman to the fifth dimesnion, superman 1 million had to punch his was to the future because he lost all his powers including the heat vision and the ability to fly, superman 1 million is the protector of his own universe and when warlords aproach his universe they speak to him as the leader of the 1 million universe , he actually took the warlords to a journy on his planet and kept them safe from galactical explosions and damage with his force field , and you wana compare how many apearences odin had and how many 1 million had?

overall we didnt see him too much in action while full powered by if we include DC statements he is far above odin and any skyfather out there

Originally posted by red_turtle
oh dont bring me this bullshit over here, odin has this 1 feat of shaking a multiverse for his entire career thats some old feat he had back then when marvel couldnt establish the power levels properly and odin NEVER EVER repeat this feat so its a PIS feat dont bring this bullshit over here

so what if he fought surtur to stand still? its suppose to tell me something? and 1 Million owned firestorm with a single breath , busted 3 being that were stated on validus level and owned the metal men crew when they combined all there powers together and all this 1 Million did while being depowered

i can see that you know nothing about 1 million, in the 1 million arc superman 1 million also just touched superboy 1 million and took him to a journy across dimensions, he also can apear at any dimension and time he wants just like he was able to assist superman of our own time and just like he was able to take batman to the fifth dimesnion, superman 1 million had to punch his was to the future because he lost all his powers including the heat vision and the ability to fly, superman 1 million is the protector of his own universe and when warlords aproach his universe they speak to him as the leader of the 1 million universe , he actually took the warlords to a journy on his planet and kept them safe from galactical explosions and damage with his force field , and you wana compare how many apearences odin had and how many 1 million had?

overall we didnt see him too much in action while full powered by if we include DC statements he is far above odin and any skyfather out there Actually those are kinda the same expect might be in a much larger scale...so yeah you make a good point expect the PIS thing...

Originally posted by TheHulk
Actually those are kinda the same expect might be in a much larger scale...so yeah you make a good point expect the PIS thing...

it is PIS because odin fought many times since then and his power output during the fights didnt do anything even similar to that, even recently when he headbutts galactus whats the matter? why didnt the universe explode? , this was a 1 time many many years ago feat that the odin fans just love to hang on

Originally posted by red_turtle
it is PIS because odin fought many times since then and his power output during the fights didnt do anything even similar to that, even recently when he headbutts galactus whats the matter? why didnt the universe explode? , this was a 1 time many many years ago feat that the odin fans just love to hang on So your low balling his fts...

Originally posted by TheHulk
So your low balling his fts...

i am calling the child by his own name and his name is PIS based on the things i stated , did he ever repeat this feat? NO
did he have the chance to repeat this feat? MANY TIMES
why didnt he repeat this feat so many times then? BECAUSE HE CANT

Originally posted by red_turtle
i am calling the child by his own name and his name is PIS based on the things i stated , did he ever repeat this feat? NO
did he have the chance to repeat this feat? MANY TIMES
why didnt he repeat this feat so many times then? BECAUSE HE CANT Well every fight their is gonna punching and it's repeatable so yeah the excuse of characters of not doing the same ft over over is not a good excuse like only once Sentry lifted a cruise ship,only once gladiator shattered a planet and only once thor lifted Yggdrasil and to mention only once has Hulk ruled the world...so yeah you might be right....

Originally posted by TheHulk
Well every fight their is gonna punching and it's repeatable so yeah the excuse of characters of not doing the same ft over over is not a good excuse like only once Sentry lifted a cruise ship,only once gladiator shattered a planet and only once thor lifted Yggdrasil and to mention only once has Hulk ruled the world...so yeah you might be right....

only once sentry was trying to lift a cruise ship, only once gladiator was trying to shatter a planet, only once thor was trying to lift yggdrasil

get the difference? the difference is that even if a certein characters has 1 time feat and its canon its because there is nothing to contredict that feat and because they simply dont try every single time to accomplish that feat

how ever with odin busting galaxies and shaking the multiverse just by colliding punched with someone ( sorry thats just too funny) can be canceled by the fact he had many fights since then and he never was able to cause this side effect just like his recent collide with galactus

Originally posted by red_turtle
only once sentry was trying to lift a cruise ship, only once gladiator was trying to shatter a planet, only once thor was trying to lift yggdrasil

get the difference? the difference is that ever if characters have 1 time feat and its canon its because there is nothing to contredict that feat and because they simply dont try every single time to accomplish that feat

how ever with odin busting galaxies and shaking the multiverse just by colliding punched with someone ( sorry thats just too funny) can be canceled by the fact he had many fights since then and he never was able to cause this side effect just like his recent collide with galactus Again your somewhat right,but still we can't presume things like that...after all the One Above All already "it all depends on the writer".

Originally posted by red_turtle
you are right he is above odin level, many people on KMC need very badly to pull there tongue out of odins ass , superman 1 million is above odin in several leagues and it should be clear to anyone it was stated and it was showen on panel that he can match odin while being greatly depowered he owned high heralds You should take your 1 million wanking somewhere else we ain't playin this game using high end feat Odin wrecks using average feats Odin wrecks him

Originally posted by iceman24567
You should take your 1 million wanking somewhere else we ain't playin this game using high end feat Odin wrecks using average feats Odin wrecks him

oh right because its the odin wanking place right? what feats does odin have to suggest he is beyond 1 million and i already reffered his PIS 1 time feat , come on i want you to show me his averege feats that wrecks 1 million lets see it

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn.

Originally posted by iceman24567


i already adressed his argument, dont hide behind someone elses argument lets see yours

But if their is one thing for sure that is if it's Odin vs Superman 1 Million i say Superman 1 million 8/10

Originally posted by red_turtle
i already adressed his argument, dont hide behind someone elses argument lets see yours Primes underwhelming few feats are nothing to Odins average to high end feats. Putting 1 million on Odin level because he briefly held back a Galaxy is retarded. You didn't address shit you yelled PIS for the fail .

Only 3 total votes so far?

I would have thought there would have been more input on the polls at this point...

Originally posted by TheHulk
But if their is one thing for sure that is if it's Odin vs Superman 1 Million i say Superman 1 million 8/10 Coming from somebody who doesn't read comics? I don't think anybody would take your opinion seriously

Originally posted by iceman24567
Coming from somebody who doesn't read comics? I don't think anybody would take your opinion seriously very funny if i did not read comics i won't be here fool and plus it's a joke i wanted to see how you would react,but really say Superman 1 million 6/10 but seriously barely unless you convince me otherwise...

Originally posted by TheHulk
very funny if i did not read comics i won't be here fool and plus it's a joke i wanted to see how you would react,but really say Superman 1 million 6/10 but seriously barely unless you convince me otherwise... Heh does it look like i care about convincing you of anything

Originally posted by iceman24567
Heh does it look like i care about convincing you of anything Exactly so don't talk to me icy man talk to red turtle...

Originally posted by TheHulk
Exactly so don't talk to me icy man talk to red turtle... How am i talking to you with no sound vin

Originally posted by iceman24567
How am i talking to you with no sound vin ohhh okay you got me there.........

Superman 1 million can't hang with Odin and I don't know where people are getting this assumption from.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman 1 million can't hang with Odin and I don't know where people are getting this assumption from. the dude is the leader of an entire universe bro whereas odin just rules a realm...

Originally posted by TheHulk
the dude is the leader of an entire universe bro whereas odin just rules a realm...

Originally posted by iceman24567
Primes underwhelming few feats are nothing to Odins average to high end feats. Putting 1 million on Odin level because he briefly held back a Galaxy is retarded. You didn't address shit you yelled PIS for the fail .

you realise 1 million had like 3-4 apearences when he is full power and he didnt have to fight or do anything special during those and he still manage to pull out such a great feat, i am still waiting for your "averge" showings that prove odin is above him

Originally posted by red_turtle
you realise 1 million had like 3-4 apearences when he is full power and he didnt have to fight or do anything special during those and he still manage to pull out such a great feat, i am still waiting for your "averge" showings that prove odin is above him Except it's not a great feat

Originally posted by iceman24567
look i don't know what to say i want to say Odin,but superman 1 million status says otherwise! please understand me!!

Originally posted by carver9
Superman 1 million can't hang with Odin and I don't know where people are getting this assumption from.

care to prove your point or are you another poster like iceman that cant back his shit up?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Except it's not a great feat

and odin getting knocked down by thor is sure a great feat, show me odin owning a high herald as easily as 1 million owned firestorm, show me odin while losing almost all his powers doing somethig similar to punching 853 centeries into the future, show me odin holding a galaxy, show me odin defending someone from cosmic and galactic damage with his force field come on

Originally posted by TheHulk
look i don't know what to say i want to say Odin,but superman 1 million status says otherwise! please understand me!! We don't rank people based purely on status thats fairly absurd...

Originally posted by iceman24567
We don't rank people based purely on status thats fairly absurd... actually we almost do all the time....

Originally posted by iceman24567
We don't rank people based purely on status thats fairly absurd...

right because you rather wank blindly without any proof aside of your wankery

Originally posted by red_turtle
and odin getting knocked down by thor is sure a great feat, show me odin owning a high herald as easily as 1 million owned firestorm, show me odin while losing almost all his powers doing somethig similar to punching 853 centeries into the future, show me odin holding a galaxy, show me odin defending someone from cosmic and galactic damage with his force field come on So you are like carver i have to show you things similar to 1 millions feats to prove Odin is above him . Odin has no sold shots from Silver Surfer, Thor, Thanos ect his history speaks for itself. The few feats 1 million has doesn't stack up. How are we suppose to rate a unqualified feat like punching somebody threw time? Just stop you aren't proving your point

Originally posted by TheHulk
actually we almost do all the time.... Uh no WE don't i dont know what you do but alas i don't care

Originally posted by red_turtle
right because you rather wank blindly without any proof aside of your wankery Yes exactly Underwhelmingfeatman

Originally posted by iceman24567
So you are like carver i have to show you things similar to 1 millions feats to prove Odin is above him . Odin has no sold shots from Silver Surfer, Thor, Thanos ect his history speaks for itself. The few feats 1 million has doesn't stack up. How are we suppose to rate a unqualified feat like punching somebody threw time? Just stop you aren't proving your point

but do you realise thats all the apearences he had right? 1 million had very very few apearences and he didnt have the chance to fight too much so thats why aside of his feats DC stepped in and informed us further about his character to let us know exactly where he stands as it was stated his is the most powerful version of superman aside from golden prime, he is said to be more powerful than the gods and possesing 5 imp powers to some degree but that alone should put him at least as high skyfather, also there is the power grid which puts him even above elder gods and even puts him above mordru and averege spector

overall i brought all the proof there is to bring his feats + statements from DC that show us he is that powerful, all you got is the problem to admit there is some superman thatcan own your precious odin

On panel feats >>> Statements. Indeed i don't want my precious Odin beaten by a featless wonder

Originally posted by iceman24567
On panel feats >>> Statements. Indeed i don't want my precious Odin beaten by a featless wonder

only thing is 1 million has not only statements but also feats to support him, i already stated his feats and all you can say is "thats not good enough for me", well guess what? i dont care whats good enough for you unless you are going to actually debate me dont bother with your wankery

Originally posted by red_turtle
only thing is 1 million has not only statements but also feats to support him, i already stated his feats and all you can say is "thats not good enough for me", well guess what? i dont care whats good enough for you unless you are going to actually debate me dont bother with your wankery You gave me a feat that can't be measured and are using it to wank 1 million punching somebody threw time and briefly holding back a galaxy doesn't cut it. Not only is it not good enough for me its not good enough to put him at high skyfather level then you call PIS when somebody gives you a list of real high skyfather level feats

Originally posted by iceman24567
You gave me a feat that can't be measured and are using it to wank 1 million punching somebody threw time and briefly holding back a galaxy doesn't cut it. Not only is it not good enough for me its not good enough to put him at high skyfather level then you call PIS when somebody gives you a list of real high skyfather level feats

why cant it be meassured? he was able to hold a moving galaxy which is the ape galaxy which wasstated to be bigger than our own galaxy ... is it too complicated for you to understand that feat?

1 million was depowered greatly to the point he lost all his side powers and he couldnt even fly and yet he punched 853 centeries into the future, his first punch was able to punch 4000years into the future and caused shockwaves thruought the entire timeline, wonder women stated no one can do something like that with his bare hands do you realise how great of a feat that is? of course you dont

he owned firestorm with a slight breathing action that alone is enough to close the case and say he is at least a high skyfather, show me odin handle that easily a high herald

all his other feats which i stated are enough to call him insanely powerful and put him beyong skyfather levels, now what did odin or zeus ever did to supress his feats? you didnt give me anything

i didnt call odin feats PIS , i just called his 1 most wanked feat PIS because IT IS PIS, i already adressed that part earlier i wont repeat it every single time someone with reading comprehension problems wants me to

i find it very hepocryte of you and other members here since everybody here love to wank RKT and state how he is more powerful than odin but what did he ever do to deserve the title of an elder god? he got 2-3 good feats just like 1 million and thats it? oh let me guess... statements right? statements that state he is suppose to bestronger than odin right? double standard much? little hypocrite

Omg Wonder Woman wanking a Superman character he must be uber ......not. I never agreed with Rkt being more powerful than Odin just because statements say so. As far as I'm concerned feats say Odin > Rkt

Originally posted by red_turtle
ifind it very hepocryte of you and other members here since everybody here love to wank RKT and state how he is more powerful thanodin but what didhe ever do todeservethe title of an elder god? he got 2-3 good feats just like 1 million and thats it? of let me guess... statements right? statements that state he is suppose to bestronger than odin right? double standard much? little hypocrite

Well...

Rune King Thor gained the knowledge of both the Runes and the full knowledge of the Odin Force. It resulted in him gaining omniscience which allowed him to end the cycle of Ragnarok and destroy Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, something Odin couldn't do. The ease in which he punked a Loki who had siphoned all the energy from Asgard and absorbed it himself, which would have made him a Skyfather at the least, was pretty insane. Considering he had the full depth of knowledge and power of the Odin Force, it's logical to assume he was at the least as powerful as Odin was.

I don't think a lot of people "wank" RKT, tbh, though. He's a High End Skyfather/Elder God, and when you read the story and take in its context, it's very obvious he's at the least on par with Odin, who, generally, is seen as one of the most powerful Skyfathers in comics and likely Marvel's most powerful when you look at feats as a whole.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Omg Wonder Woman wanking a Superman character he must be uber ......not. I never agreed with Rkt being more powerful than Odin just because statements say so. As far as I'm concerned feats say Odin > Rkt

only in my case feats say superman 1 million > odin unless you can prove otherwise which you cant since it was never showed what are his limits but we sure as hell saw odin limits and thats surtur and a headbutt from galactus , 1 million was portrayed as this uber being that protects his entire universe and basically unbeatable thats why DC had to depower him for some kind of storyline , as i said prove me wrong

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well...

Rune King Thor gained the knowledge of both the Runes and the full knowledge of the Odin Force. It resulted in him gaining omniscience which allowed him to end the cycle of Ragnarok and destroy Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, something Odin couldn't do. The ease in which he punked a Loki who had siphoned all the energy from Asgard and absorbed it himself, which would have made him a Skyfather at the least, was pretty insane. Considering he had the full depth of knowledge and power of the Odin Force, it's logical to assume he was at the least as powerful as Odin was.

I don't think a lot of people "wank" RKT, tbh, though. He's a High End Skyfather/Elder God, and when you read the story and take in its context, it's very obvious he's at the least on par with Odin, who, generally, is seen as one of the most powerful Skyfathers in comics and likely Marvel's most powerful when you look at feats as a whole. That was quick and well thought out..........still stfu uhuh

i know why people have this problem accepting 1 million as a uber superman thats because the entire 1 million arc looked very cartoonish and overall didnt have a serious theme, but the cartoonish colorful look doesnt change his feats or his acomplishments

Originally posted by red_turtle
only in my case feats say superman 1 million > odin unless you can prove otherwise which you cant since it was never showed what are his limits but we sure as hell saw odin limits and thats surtur and a headbutt from galactus , 1 million was portrayed as this uber being that protects his entire universe and basically unbeatable thats why DC had to depower him for some kind of storyline , as i said prove me wrong Are you assuming he had no limits? I only bothered with you for the lulzfactor but so far you just keep sticking your head in your ass

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well...

Rune King Thor gained the knowledge of both the Runes and the full knowledge of the Odin Force. It resulted in him gaining omniscience which allowed him to end the cycle of Ragnarok and destroy Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, something Odin couldn't do. The ease in which he punked a Loki who had siphoned all the energy from Asgard and absorbed it himself, which would have made him a Skyfather at the least, was pretty insane. Considering he had the full depth of knowledge and power of the Odin Force, it's logical to assume he was at the least as powerful as Odin was.

I don't think a lot of people "wank" RKT, tbh, though. He's a High End Skyfather/Elder God, and when you read the story and take in its context, it's very obvious he's at the least on par with Odin, who, generally, is seen as one of the most powerful Skyfathers in comics and likely Marvel's most powerful when you look at feats as a whole.

bravo seriously thats a very good post , if someone present me a post like this that will prove i am wrong there is no shame in admiting it from my side

Punching through time while weakened, while a good feat, isn't really unprecedented by heralds or anything. Hulk punched through the time stream once. The force of Thor's blows have reverberated through out reality itself. Mainstream Superman helped lift the sum of eternity and a book of infinite pages. When push comes to shove, high herald beings can do some pretty stupid stuff.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Are you assuming he had no limits? I only bothered with you for the lulzfactor but so far you just keep sticking your head in your ass

thats the well known method of people who cant debate,they first say " i am not serious with this guy i am just messing around" when in fac tyou cant back up your claims or should i take your claims as a joke as well?

second method is to trash talk causing me to react for the mods to interfere and close this thread

overall i see that you got no class and nothing to contribute to this discussion, you either provide some kind of real argument or get lost

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Punching through time while weakened, while a good feat, isn't really unprecedented by heralds or anything. Hulk punched through the time stream once. The force of Thor's blows have reverberated through out reality itself. Mainstream Superman helped lift the sum of eternity and a book of infinite pages. When push comes to shove, high herald beings can do some pretty stupid stuff.

yes i agree but 1 million did it while being greatly depowered and he not only punched time but 853 centeries into the future , with his first punch he was able to punch 4000 years into the future causing shockwaves thruought the timeline, the difference is like a guy who bench press 140 lbs or a guy who can bench press 400 lbs, they both do the same act but on a different scale

Originally posted by red_turtle
thats the well known method of people who cant debate,they first say " i am not serious with this guy i am just messing around" when in fac tyou cant back up your claims or should i take your claims as a joke as well?

second method is to trash talk causing me to react for the mods to interfere and close this thread

overall i see that you got no class and nothing to contribute to this discussion, you either provide some kind of real argument or get lost Some kind of real argument? Like punching somebody threw time or holding back a galaxy for a moment to prove somebody is a high end skyfather? This coming from a guy claiming i am wanking Odin because a featless character lacks quality feats? nah either you actually prove 1 million is Odin level or go cry somewhere else.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Some kind of real argument? Like punching somebody threw time or holding back a galaxy for a moment to prove somebody is a high end skyfather? This coming from a guy claiming i am wanking Odin because a featless character lacks quality feats? nah either you actually prove 1 million is Odin level or go cry somewhere else.

i provided feats now you provide feats ... its suppose to be very easy isnt it? for someone who claims he goes by feats you fail to show any... so as i said before i will say for the last time you either provide something or get lost

Originally posted by red_turtle
yes i agree but 1 million did it while being greatly depowered and he not only punched time but 853 centeries into the future , with his first punch he was able to punch 4000 years into the future causing shockwaves thruought the timeline, the difference is like a guy who bench press 140 lbs or a guy who can bench press 400 lbs, they both do the same act but on a different scale All he did was punch his way threw a time barrier don't exaggerate the feat. He didn't just rip open a portal threw sheer strength Kidboo like

Originally posted by red_turtle
i provided feats now you provide feats ... its suppose to be very easy isnt it? for someone who claims he goes by feats you fail to show any... so as i said before i will say for the last time you either provide something or get lost You provided nothing a trans tier character couldn't do. I stated Odin no sells shots from heralds and above aswell as matching skyfathers blow for blow such as Galactus, Seth, Surtur. The burden of proof is on you to prove a relatively featless character is up to par with a consistent highend skyfather like Odin

Cube Beings wins Shaper of Worlds is more powerful than Kubik and these two are more powerful than high end sky fathers!

Originally posted by iceman24567
All he did was punch his way threw a time barrier don't exaggerate the feat. He didn't just rip open a portal threw sheer strength Kidboo like

every character who ever did something like that used some kind of portal otherwise it wouldnt make any sense since if he punched the air that hard the entire world would be erased before the time itself would be effected

you like to lowball feats that you dont like and its just redicilous, how can you even lowball such a feat? while being greatly depowerd to the point he couldnt even fly he punch time 853 centeries into the future, now there is a difference between just effecting the time and actually fighting the time and punch THAT FAR into the future, he was actually battling time itself with his punches and was able to punch that far , its like 2 people entering the ocean one is swiming couple of swims and the other keep going and sweeming miles over miles over miles you cant just go and say they did the same thing

show me any other character battling the time and getting this far into the future by sheer strength

Originally posted by iceman24567
You provided nothing a trans tier character couldn't do. I stated Odin no sells shots from heralds and above aswell as matching skyfathers blow for blow such as Galactus, Seth, Surtur. The burden of proof is on you to prove a relatively featless character is up to par with a consistent highend skyfather like Odin

show me any trans character holding a galaxy or breaking the time and punching that much into the future, show me trans character that owns a high herald with a slight breath

if you read any comics you would know that thefact he got 5 IMP powers alone puts him on the levels i said

Originally posted by red_turtle
show me any trans character holding a galaxy or breaking the time and punching that much into the future, show me trans character that owns a high herald with a slight breath

if you read any comics you would know that thefact he got 5 IMP powers alone puts him on the levels i said The fact the he never demonstrated powers anywhere near Mxy level tells me it doesn't matter if he had 5D imp powers try again

Superman 1 million is no where near Odin in feats , to that you are a troll and jacka$$, Odin teleported the whole human race with a gesture into another dimension. Destroyed a whole race that spawned Classic Mangog who was sky father level being, his dark side Infinite that was absorbing the powers of "Infinity" Eternity sister, and when Odin came to destroy him and undo all the damage he has cause through out the universe. Battle Enchanter, and their battle cause planets to blow up, suns go supernova, reignite suns, battling Seth that caused shock waves through out the Multi-verse.

For anybody to say Superman 1 million is greater than Odin in feats is either ignorant, or a complete dont know shit what they are talking about.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Cube Beings wins Shaper of Worlds is more powerful than Kubik and these two are more powerful than high end sky fathers!

Make sure to vote then!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman 1 million is no where near Odin in feats , to that you are a troll and jacka$$, Odin teleported the whole human race with a gesture into another dimension. Destroyed a whole race that spawned Classic Mangog who was sky father level being, his dark side Infinite that was absorbing the powers of "Infinity" Eternity sister, and when Odin came to destroy him and undo all the damage he has cause through out the universe. Battle Enchanter, and their battle cause planets to blow up, suns go supernova, reignite suns, battling Seth that caused shock waves through out the Multi-verse.

For anybody to say Superman 1 million is greater than Odin in feats is either ignorant, or a complete dont know shit what they are talking about.

you stupid duchbag i already adressed odins 1 time PIS feat go back and read it retardo, you comming here calling me names and saying 1 millions feats dont top odins wont change a shit because thats the way i see your opinion as nothing more than a huge chunk of shit

so odin teleported the humans into other dimension, 1 million showed the ability toteleport batman superboy and the entire superman league to different times and dimensions

as i said before odins multiverse shacking feat is PIS since he never was able to repeat it while fighting and going all out so you can shove that up your a$$

non of the feats you provided supress being able to punch 853 centeries into the future while in very weak condition and of course holding a chanrging galaxy which was stated to be bigger than our own now take your filthy mouth out of here jerk

Wow.

Yup. Closing. Take it to PM's kids, I'll be watching for bait threads on this in the near future, and we're so far off topic that there's no sense keeping this open while it continues to devolve.