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Any version of Hulk minus Grey Hulk stomps Nul.

Originally posted by Damborgson
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who wins?

Isn't War Hulk the one that stopped Juggernaut?And yet Kuurth couldn't stop Colossunaut.

War Hulk wins then.

Originally posted by carver9
Any version of Hulk minus Grey Hulk stomps Nul.

That doesn't help your image much....http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/ermm.gif

That's World war hulk, this is just war hulk. War Hulk is when he was one of the horsemen of Apocalypse.

Originally posted by The Merchant
That's World war hulk, this is just war hulk. War Hulk is when he was one of the horsemen of Apocalypse.

War Hulk actually stopped Juggernaut. Not used his momentum against him or anything...he stopped him.

War Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Any version of Hulk minus Grey Hulk stomps Nul.

Nul Hulk's broken adamantium...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nul Hulk's broken adamantium...

It was a net. Very thin adamantium.

"Regular" Hulk performed a more impressive-looking feat with a much larger quantity of the superhard miracle-metal back in the day ...



(This was performed against Blastaar in Marvel Team-Up v1 #18, I believe.)

Probably null...

War Hulk cuts Nul`s head off with that celectialtech-powered sword.

Did Juggs have a forcefield in that fight War Hulk? How many times has Classic Juggs even used a forcefield?

IIRC his helmet has gotten ripped off his head a more then a couple of times.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That doesn't help your image much....http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/ermm.gif


what image?

War Hulk stomps.

Green Scar ftw

He outsmart both of them, and outpower their ass too

War wins.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It was a net. Very thin adamantium.

It was a pretty thick net, actually.

Morlun tore an adamantium net too, though... so it's not a unique feat. And makes you wonder what kind of adamantium they use to make said nets - primary adamantium is not flexible at all, it's unbendable.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
"Regular" Hulk performed a more impressive-looking feat with a much larger quantity of the superhard miracle-metal back in the day ...



(This was performed against Blastaar in Marvel Team-Up v1 #18, I believe.)

That was just an alloy of adamantium.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nul Hulk's broken adamantium...

Not impressed since other versions have done the same thing. Savage Hulk trapped Blaastar in Adamantium. Professor Hulk dented Ultron Adamantium body. Looking at Nul showings, the only Hulk he can beat is Grey Hulk.

Originally posted by nwg202
Did Juggs have a forcefield in that fight War Hulk? How many times has Classic Juggs even used a forcefield?

IIRC his helmet has gotten ripped off his head a more then a couple of times. they were both bleeding energy

Originally posted by Mshinu
War Hulk cuts Nul`s head off with that celectialtech-powered sword.

Sounds like a possibility since he threatened Juggernaut with it...

Death Wolverine with his low meta strength was able to stab Hulk in the back.

Originally posted by carver9
Not impressed since other versions have done the same thing. Savage Hulk trapped Blaastar in Adamantium. Professor Hulk dented Ultron Adamantium body. Looking at Nul showings, the only Hulk he can beat is Grey Hulk.

It wasn't "a" grade adamantium in Blaastar's instance.

Ultron - yeah, good example, even though it's been probably retconned to being secondary adamantium. And it was Savage Hulk, not Professor.

Bloodlusted Thor (who one-shotted Angrir) collapsed after fighting Nul and it was stated Hulk got more powerful.

@Stiltman...

Even though its an alloy of Adamantium, its still Adamantium.

The showing against Ultron was never retconned.

Nul wasn't stated as being more powerful, he was stated as being more powerful than his "average" self and there are a lot of Hulks more powerful than their "average" selves.

Originally posted by carver9
@Stiltman...

Even though its an alloy of Adamantium, its still Adamantium.

The showing against Ultron was never retconned.

Nul wasn't stated as being more powerful, he was stated as being more powerful than his "average" self and there are a lot of Hulks more powerful than their "average" selves.

Ragnarok's broken doors made of an adamantium-titanium alloy, but couldn't do shit to Wolverine skull.

I think all non-modern instances of breaking adamantium were retconned with the introduction of secondary adamantium. Even Wonder Man crushed Ultron's head back then...

Nul = amped WWH, technically Deal with it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
makes you wonder what kind of adamantium they use to make said nets - primary adamantium is not flexible at all, it's unbendable.




This actually doesn't present much of a problem; it's only a little tricky to illustrate. Get ahold of 10 paper clips.
Link them together into a chain.

Note that any individual paper clip behaves as a (relatively) solid piece of metal. The entire unit? Acts as a (relatively) flexible length of rope.



The principle of a net is very similar, just features a lot more links and "clips".

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ragnarok's broken doors made of an adamantium-titanium alloy, but couldn't do shit to Wolverine skull.

I think all non-modern instances of breaking adamantium were retconned with the introduction of secondary adamantium. Even Wonder Man crushed Ultron's head back then...

Nul = amped WWH, technically Deal with it. Myth promulgated by Wolverine fanboys. Not once ever even being hinted at on-panel.

Alloys of adamantium are about as worthless as secondary adamantium though, and then some.

War hulk wins.

Nul, by definition, is an amped Hulk. He'd beat more than Grey Hulk, obviously.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nul, by definition, is an amped Hulk. He'd beat more than Grey Hulk, obviously.



You mean, he'd even beat Grey Hulk and ... Spider-Man together?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider


You mean, he'd even beat Grey Hulk and ... Spider-Man together?

lol... yes.

Hey, one semi-serious question:

Were War Hulk's enhancements by Apocalypse magical or merely technological in nature?


I'm asking because the man who posted it before was right ...

the Cytorrak enhancement of Colossus DID, indeed, beat the Serpent's Asgardian Magic. Hence Colossusnaut managed to put Kuurth to heel.

So Cytorrak magic seems to be greater than Asgardian magic.



But War Hulk BEAT Cytorrak's magic force.
Because he stopped Juggernaut himself when Juggernaut was POWERED by Cytorrak magic.

And if War Hulk's enhancements were not mystical, that means his pure physical force is enough to beat the magic that TRUMPS Nul's own.


In which case you can make a real good case for:

War Hulk > Cytorrak/Juggernaut/Colossusnaut > Kuurth/Nul

The Celestial tech didn't amp Hulk, it gave him control over his own energies.

Allowing him to amp himself?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Allowing him to amp himself?

Off of "his own" power. It's not like he is getting power from an outside source...its coming from within.

Still amping, though.

war easily

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hey, one semi-serious question:

Were War Hulk's enhancements by Apocalypse magical or merely technological in nature?
Depends on whether you perceive Celestials' technology to be scientific or mystical in nature.

And all that it shows is that some rusty old, outdated Celestial tech is enough to overwhelm Cyttorak's enchantment.

Btw, the Crimson Ruby of Cyttorak apparently grants Juggernaut only 1/8 of Cyttorak's destructive aspect's power. The one time Cyttorak granted Juggs the full scope of his power, Cain went on a rampage tearing through realities and punching through dimensions until he reached critical mass while arriving at the Trion gods' home.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Still amping, though.

It really isn't since Hulk power is to amp.

Originally posted by carver9
It really isn't since Hulk power is to amp.

you just said it's an amp.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you just said it's an amp.

Hulk is a walking amp. The only thing that armor did was help him control his power.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is a walking amp. The only thing that armor did was help him control his power.

So that he could amp better.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsJuggernaut13.jpg

pretty sure there was an amp. Apoc was talking about Celestial might. Not Hulk might.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So that he could amp better.

That's like saying Cyclops is amped because his visor helps him control his power.

Originally posted by carver9
That's like saying Cyclops is amped because his visor helps him control his power.

No it's not... Not at all. -Sigh-

Originally posted by -Pr-
No it's not... Not at all. -Sigh-


It really is though. The Celestial tech helped Hulk control his power in the sense that he was able to amp himself at a faster and controllable pace (which is basically controlling his power and HIS power is to physically amp himself.). Cyclops visor helps him control his power in a better sense. Black Bolt antenna helps him control his power as well.

Originally posted by carver9
It really is though. The Celestial tech helped Hulk control his power in the sense that he was able to amp himself at a faster and controllable pace (which is basically controlling his power and HIS power is to physically amp himself.). Cyclops visor helps him control his power in a better sense. Black Bolt antenna helps him control his power as well.

Cyclops doesn't amp his power with the visor, or control his energies. He controls the release. Not the buildup. He always, ALWAYS, has an OML blast waiting behind the visor.

Hulk amping isn't the same thing. what is the same thing, is Superman amping by will alone. So it still counts as an amp.

Cyclops doesn't amp himself when he takes off his visor.

@blue: I also disagree with your assessment that Asgardian magic is inferior to Cyttorak's power, because Thor's godblast went even beyond what Apoc's Celestial tech could achieve as it actually pushed back the Juggernaut as opposed to Hulk merely stopping him.

There's also the fact that Mjolnir undid Juggernaut's force field as well.

Hulk was amped with the power from heroes reborn universe as well.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@blue: I also disagree with your assessment that Asgardian magic is inferior to Cyttorak's power, because Thor's godblast went even beyond what Apoc's Celestial tech could achieve as it actually pushed back the Juggernaut as opposed to Hulk merely stopping him.



weakened godblast no less

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hey, one semi-serious question:

Were War Hulk's enhancements by Apocalypse magical or merely technological in nature?

Celestial Tech.


Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm asking because the man who posted it before was right ...

the Cytorrak enhancement of Colossus DID, indeed, beat the Serpent's Asgardian Magic. Hence Colossusnaut managed to put Kuurth to heel.

Not quite the same magic.I would say the magic that the Worthies wielded can be categorized as Dark Asgardian Magic.Those Worthies got their arse handed by the Avengers wielding weapons blessed by Odin.So Odin's enchantment>Serpent's enchantment.Another reason to categorized the magic wielded by Odin and the Serpent and his Worthies are different from each other, is because even Surtur can tell the difference between Asgard and Dark/Fake Asgard.Here are scans of what happened when Loki freed Surtur during the events of Fear Itself.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/FAsgard/JIM629-015.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/FAsgard/JIM629-016.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/FAsgard/JIM629-017.jpg

So you can definitely see there is a difference between the magic wielded by the Serpent and his Worthies and Odin.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
So Cytorrak magic seems to be greater than Asgardian magic

I think this would be a better assessment.Odin>Cytorrak(Because Thor once negated Juggernaut's enchantment)>Serpent(because Kuurth got his arse handed by Colossunaut)

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
But War Hulk BEAT Cytorrak's magic force.
Because he stopped Juggernaut himself when Juggernaut was POWERED by Cytorrak magic.

Agreed.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
And if War Hulk's enhancements were not mystical, that means his pure physical force is enough to beat the magic that TRUMPS Nul's own.


In which case you can make a real good case for:

War Hulk > Cytorrak/Juggernaut/Colossusnaut > Kuurth/Nul

Celestials are categorized as being cosmical.And the enhancement War Hulk has is because of Celestial Tech.We all know Celestials>>>>>Skyfathers in power.And yes War Hulk beats Nul Hulk

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@blue: I also disagree with your assessment that Asgardian magic is inferior to Cyttorak's power, because Thor's godblast went even beyond what Apoc's Celestial tech could achieve as it actually pushed back the Juggernaut as opposed to Hulk merely stopping him.

Hulk didn't try to push him back.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk didn't try to push him back.
You're a good man.

War Hulk, imo. Nul wasn't very impressive tbh.

Originally posted by Damborgson
weakened godblast no less
Not going to comment on that one due to controversy surrounding that scenario.

Nul.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not going to comment on that one due to controversy surrounding that scenario.
Fair enough.

To negate something doesn't mean one is greater than it. Something must overpower something to prove superiority. Thor's feat against the force field doesn't prove superiority over Cyttorak. Jugs can be slowed with conventional force and thus his invurlnerable enchantment dwarfs his unstoppability enchantment. That means with enough time Juggs can be slowed to a speed where it seems he isn't moving (like in War Hulk). All it takes is strength greater than Juggs natural strenght. It took Hulk a long time to achieve this and thus is not a good feat IMO. nul crushing the hammer is far better IMO. I say Nul wins this as it takes War Hulk too long to amp up. Nul will simply crush him as he did the hammer

Originally posted by ODG
Nul.



And if you can't trust the guy who did the Hulk's revamped respect thread, who can you trust?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


And if you can't trust the guy who did the Hulk's revamped respect thread, who can you trust?

Lovin the Thor sig Jake.

Thanks muchly. Been rereading JMS' run.