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who would win in an actual eating contest. I read that saiyans have the hunger of 10-20 the average human and I read that supes can eat virtually liitless amounts of food. who would win. winner takes flash (who is literally always hungry beacause of his constant metabolism)

I think this thread already exists, minus the flash part.

limitless vrs. 10 to 20 times human amount, I think limitless Superman wins.

near limitless, plus goku has eaten a years supply of the watchouts food before

I'm sorry,man,but in a fight goku could take them both but eating is another sorry. I've seen goku hungry and I've seen him eat like 100 3-course meals then he was full and couldn't move. This would pretty much be the only category that supes or flash could beat him at. This one goes to either flash or supes. Sorry kakarrot.

In a fight Gokou couldn't stand a chance against Superman. Eating...Gokou wins.

you are very wrong about the fight part of your statement, Goku would murder Superman

You two should've just let this thread die. DBZ characters are banned in this forum.

Goku will be able to beat superman like nothing.

Superman doesnt know how to use his powers in combinations
besides goku is faster than superman or flash .
in a figth goku takes all

@Flash - Didn't know that

@Scoobless - Gokou cannot beat Superman. There is not a single thing Gokou can do that would hurt Superman. This has been proven in a different forum that I go to. I thought Gokou would win to but that is wrong.

maybe if you are talking about goku from years ago, but since his first super saiyan transformation he was at least as tough as supes, after the next transformations superman wouldn't even be a speed bump to him
goku moves faster than superman and is stronger than him, plus he has a large variety of energy attacks........... supes has no chance

Of course Goku would beat Superman. Goku IS the Superman of the Japanese culture. Basically a character with unbelievalbe power, except you know the Japanese, they always have to be bigger and better. So they BROKE THEIR OWN RULES when writing Goku (First they said there was only 1 supersaiyn, and Broly was it. Then they mae Goku Supersaiyn. Then they made a new level up to 3, saying that was the highest possible. THEN they made Goku go up to supersaiyn 4, and in the manga, Gotenks goes up to super saiyn 5. WTF!?!?)

Yea, Goku wins. Because he is the king of cheap ****ing characters.

Goku: "Look at me, I can fly! No wait, now I can blow shit up with my energy attacks. That's not enough! I need to be able to pick up the moon! That's not all! Now I can blow whole planets up! NO WAIT, now I can blow up the whole universe! MWAHAHA*chokes on some food and dies* **** I'm dead."

if we're talking about superman prime aka pre-crisis superman goku does not stand a chance in HELL!

if we're talking about superman prime aka pre-crisis superman goku does not stand a chance in HELL

Pre-Crisis Superman IS NOT the same as Superman Prime.

Against Pre-Crisis, Goku STILL wins. WHy? Cuz the writers made him that way.

Against Superman Prime? Hell no, Goku goes down. He's powerful, but he can't beat a man that can control time and space.

wtf? how the hell did i post twice? oh well

i mean to say AND NOT pre-crisis. my bad. wtf im a scrub lol

Um..no he don't....And GT, and the Movies aren't really considered Canon. Neither of them were made by Akira.

Also Gokou don't move anywhere near as fast as Supes. Instant Transmission is only 99% light speed but Supes can move over light speed. From what I hear supes has ki immunity also. Plus Gokou is no where as durable as Supes is. Gokou has been beaten plenty of times, and only wins with help. Without any type of outside help Gokou would loose but if Gokou gets to use stuff so does Superman, and the JLA could take out Earths Special Forces.

Gokou has been hurt from being knocked thru mountains. Superman has been knocked thru the Earth, and to the Moon, and took Hydrogen bomb, and withstood the force of something that was equal to a hundred nuclear blasts.

Gokou is based off the Monkey King not Superman...even tho in Z there are alot of things like Supes...but originally it was from the Monkey King.

COME ON

Superman cant beat GOKU in level 5
nothing can, so deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on its imposible
and if some how Goku gets beaten he ill come back even STRONGER

what the heck is lvl 5?

I meant to say level 4

Level 4 can't even do it.

Look you know that Superman draws hes energy from the sun right well

GOKU would just have to blow it up

ur right. imma try to break it down as best as i can

speed: goku is really fast especially w/ his teletransportation. but even w/ this he cannot reach light speed. on the other hand, superman prime can go past light speed practically traveling through dimensions.

winner: superman

strength: we do not know how strong goku really is, but in dbz he did not struggle much putting 40 tons on both his legs and his arms (but i remember goku might have struggled A BIT). however, superman prime can lift a minimum of 40 BILLION tons (i read this somewhere, but i might be wrong). if that is not enough proof to speculate who is stronger, superman can practically juggle planets.

winner: superman

durability: goku is able to take devistating direct hits and still come back for more. but just like any human, you can puncture his flesh and is vulnerable to heat such as lava and a massive ki blast. superman can fly through the cores of stars and can survive nove sized explosions and coming out harmless. if goku were to throw his greatest kamehameha it would pretty much be useless.

winner: superman

fighting skills: goku has A LOT of martial arts training by various trainers (kami-sama, kai-o-sama, etc). but what are fighting skills against someone who is stronger, faster, and much more durable? superman also has his share of training. if someone can remember when superman had his training, post, because i know he did at one point i just forgot =[ because i remember him training over a thousand year period or something

winner: undetermine (but martial arts on superman is pretty much out of the picture so i'll give it to superman anyway)

overall winner: Superman Prime

you don't know what you're talking about. i bet if goku were to reach ssj 9 he would still lose

MAybe but I still got this

what are you talking about? if you still think you're right, i feel very sorry for you. please come up w/ something more descriptive and evitable next time to try to prove your points. thank you =]

peace

And risk destroying everybody? Yea right... Plus Supes has enuff solar energy stored up it wouldn't matter.

damn, you're a beast! thats too good

lol um I don't know what to say about that.

hahahahahahahahahaha. the only thing you should know is that it's not negative

Oh okay then I'll take it as a compliment, and say thanx

thanx **thumbs up** btw do u have AIM? if so, what is your screen name?

lol @ Superman beating Goku.

No way.

Are we forgetting that at the end of GT a Super Saiyan 4 Goku merged with the black star Dragon Balls and ascended beyond that level. He'd murder Supes once he found out Supes was playing for keeps.

The only reason Goku really got beat down in the cartoon was because:

A) His character is written to be naive and always try to see the good in people (even the blood thirstiest villain bent on destroying the universe).

B) He ALLOWS fights to drag out to see the full potential in his opponents because he's actually a blood hungry warrior that was dropped on his head as a kid. He's sadistic if you really think about it.

C) Goku has beaten characters that destroy planets with beams from their pinkies and entire galaxies with blasts from their butt cracks. Kid Buu or SS4 Baby Vegeta would have killed Supes.

Goku has instant transmissioned to alternate dimensions (the Otherworld Tournaments and Death Dimensions) and fights at high level martial practitioner mastery at light speeds, plus he has undeniable will. If an ascended Goku (past SS4 with the absorbed dragon balls) hits Supes with a kamehameha increased by his keoken attack level 10 or up, at that power level, Supes is dead. All the sunbathing he's done over the centuries is not going to matter.

And there is always the fact that Vegeta wouldn't allow anyone to kill Kakarot besides himself, so they'd fuse and become ascended Gogeta.

You're preaching to the chior douche. I already said Superman Prime would win.

HE CAN CONTROL TIME AND SPACE. That's it, that's all he needs.

my bad. i suck at using this forum =[

First how can you use Gokou w/dragonballs when there is no canon evidence of his power? Same with Superman Prime. Those two are out.

And Superman don't fight people that can destroy planets? Darkseid's Omega Beams can blow up planets, and Supes has held them back with his laser vision.

Not one person besides Freeza in Z that Gokou has beaten alone. Even during Baby saga...which I don't even consider GT canon anyways cause its so full of holes, and not made by Akira....Gokou needed help to defeat Vegeta as Golden Monkey.

Gokou does not move light speed. If he could he wouldn't need IT which is 99% light speed. He cannot punch that fast whereas Supes can punch light speed.

Superman was trained by Wonder Woman plus knows more martial arts then even Batman, and has 100,000 years of fighting experience.

Gokou would never use the Dragonballs or Kryptonite in a fight, and if you bring Vegeta in this I can bring Martian Manhunter who is argueably stronger then Supes plus alot better powers like telepathy, and able to wipe minds. Even without MM Supes could kick Gogeta's butt for the same reasons he can kick Gokou's.

At most Gokou can lift at least a million tons....Supes can lift 40 billion at least.

Superman's 100,000 years old???

I thought Prime was the old, experienced, golden Superman.

Regular Supes would get served by SS4 Goku going all out.

Prime would get served by the ascended Goku that merged with the black star dragon balls. Akira derived or not, it happenned in GT continuity. Goku absorbed Shenron (the Eternal Dragon)'s powers to "alter reality". The dragons can alter time and space as well, plus Goku is beyond death, all he does is gain a halo when he 'dies' and he'd keep fighting.

People mistake being 'stronger' with being a better fighter. Goku is a far better fighter than Supes, and can use all of his ablilities in conjunction for maximum effect. He lives to fight. That's all he does, and what he was bred for.

Superman going all out would not beat Goku going all out.

Superman is faster, stronger, more durable, smarter, more powers, better fighter, and nicer then Gokou is.

(((Goku cant beat Superman, and Im sick of hearing people who know nothing about Superman say he can.

People always call in fusion, or SSJ4 Goku at his strongest, so why not use Superman at his strongest? Superman Prime has been living in the SUN for 15,000 years, and he has the Green Lantern ring, the Universe's Most Powerful weapon. By that time, Supes is no longer hurt by Kryptonite, he has absorbed so much solar energy that he cannot be hurt by anything other than a psychic attack (psychic attacks only give him headaches), and the Green Lantern ring is limited only by willpower in what it can do.

Or how about Pre-Crisis Superman? Who is this? The early version of Superman, who had his powers cut back during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Heres some samples of his powers:

Goku can blow up a planet? Superman once juggled planets.

Goku has instant transmission? The Flash can run over 8 times the speed of light, and Superman barely lost to him in a footrace. That means that Superman can move at around 7.7 times the speed of light. Goku's instant transmission is only 99% speed of light.

Superman once nearly outflew the barrier of creation.

He is so fast, and his senses are so sharp, that while talking to Lois Lane, he heard aliens in another galaxy needing help, went there, helped them, and came back, and Lois didnt even notice he had left.

His voice alone can shatter mountains.

His heat vision can repel Darkseid's Omega Effect, which can destroy planets.

Should I go on? Yep.

Superman closed a black hole with his bare hands.

He once used his superbreath to extinguish a star about to go nova.

He sneezed in outer space, and his super breath obliterated an uninhabited solar-system. The whole thing.

In February 1954, Superman withstands the explosion of a hydrogen bomb, (Superman #87)

In June 1958, while relaxing at his Fortress of Solitude, Superman defeats a great robot he has built in a game of super-chess, despite the fact that the robot - which possesses a super-electronic brain - can think and play with the speed of lightning and plans a million moves at once.

By 1957, Superman is able to hurl an uninhabited Planet through space (Superman #110) Both Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy have been known to move planets without external assistance. For reference, consider the earth an average sized planet. The earth weighs in at 5.972 sextillion (5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000) metric tons.

Superman is impervious to ki attacks. There are ki users in the DCU, and they do not affect Superman.

Goku trying to use Kryptonite on Superman. Goku wont. Just for comparison, he gave Cell a senzu bean before sending his own son in against Cell. He wont figure out Superman's weakness anyway. Of note: Green K is not an instant kill on the Man of Steel. Superman was recently injected with liquid K (I know, I know, Kryptonite is a mineral, I dont write this stuff) and was still able to use his powers.

Goku blowing up the sun. Goku wont, he's too good to intentionally kill everyone on Earth, just to win a fight. He would rather sacrifice himself than risk destroying the earth. Plus, Superman has enough solar energy stored up, and can exist in space long enough, that the destruction of the sun would be more of a problem for Goku than Superman.

Goku trying to gather the Dragonballs. He doesnt have time, because Superman is so much faster, Goku doesnt have time to gather all the balls, and doesnt have time to make a wish. Also, everybody knows how much he loves a fight, and how its often his downfall.

Goku using the Genki Dama. No. Goku doesnt have time to summon one up because of Superman's speed. Besides, the Spirit Bomb doesnt work on those pure of heart.

Superman doesnt know martial arts. Wrong. Superman knows many forms of martial arts, and how to neutralize them, and he has thousands of years of combat experience. ))

Taken from another forum...but it's just easier then typing it out..

And to Use Post crisis from the same forum..

(((Goku CANNOT beat Post-Crisis Superman:

In Superman Man of Steel #66, he once again acted as an effective shield, protecting cities around the world by blocking numerous "atom-smashing" force beams with his body. At one point he had 6 such beams trained on him simultaneously.

In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Superman was literally punched halfway across the planet- from Metropolis, he literally landed in China- without any injury or loss of consciousness

But forget about being punched across the planet to China, how about through the planet to China? In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his magically-created, brain damaged, "imperfect" duplicate) switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro's body) punched Bizarro (in Superman's body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Bizarro (in Superman's body) was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was shown ripping straight through the Earth?s crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Superman's body was fully conscious and completely unharmed by the blow (Bizarro was smiling as usual).

In Man of Tomorrow #13, Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blast from Orion's Astro-Harness that blasted him across the planet from the North Pole to India.

Action Comics # 762: Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blow from the magical demon Etrigan. The blow actually knocked Superman from Earth's surface all the way to the moon (239,000 miles), a distance that is about 10 times the diameter of the Earth. Superman was virtually unfazed. In this issue he also shrugged off magical demon-fire (which he did previously in Action #589), and his super-lungs harmlessly inhaled the demon's magical gases.

In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground zero, a blast equal to "a million nuclear bombs" (according to the energy being Waverider). The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton; the energy was drawn from the planetary core. Superman did not suffer any physical damage, but was momentarily rendered inert, and stated that he felt concussed. He then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived the blast.

In Adventures of Superman #478, as part of the Time and Time Again storyline, Superman survived- without so much as batting an eye- the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot. When the moon was obliterated, Superman was actually within the moon (structures had been built beneath the surface of the moon). He did not suffer any harm and did not lose consciousness.

Superman's ability to survive immersion in the sun is well documented by now. In Adventures of Superman #480, Superman survived immersion in the sun for the first time, but with great difficulty. This was actually a RED sun at the time, due to the Eradicator's interference. In both the Superman: Last God of Krypton one shot and Superman Man of Steel #50, Superman survived immersion in the outer layers of the Earth's yellow sun enjoyably, received extra power from the sun, and effortlessly escaped the sun?s gravitational pull. Furthermore, in both Action Comics # 782 and Superman Man of Steel #64, Superman survived the core of the sun without any problems. The pressure at the core of the sun is equal to 250 billion Earth atmospheres.

In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards.

Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit and beyond with one uppercut.

Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)

Several events show Superman as a moon-mover. In JLA # 7, as Electro-Superman, he halted the fall of the Moon towards Earth (caused by Neron's magical machinations), then moved the Moon back its proper position in orbit. He later commented that he's more powerful as "regular" Superman. Writer Grant Morrison and artist Howard Porter had originally intended the moon-moving event in JLA #7 be done by "regular" Superman , but DC forced them to use Electro-Supes. This event is butressed by several more. In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the "geometrically increasing force" that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last "moon-bracing" shift. In Superman Man of Steel #30, Superman grabbed, easily broke the forward movement of, and easily threw in the opposite direction, a space ship the size of a small moon. In JLA # 58, Superman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern collaborated to tow Earth's moon a distance of 238,900 miles in mere seconds, indicating a fantastic acceleration, and then pulled the moon out of Earth's gravity (which increases its weight tremendously). As he is universally regarded as the JLA's most powerful member, I'm inclined to give Superman more than one-third, and - conservatively - about one-half, the work effort. In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman split one of Saturn's moons in half. Saturn's moons are small moons.


Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld's surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorld's engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac's disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld's engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex's reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies." Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.

Action Comics Annual #7: Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht'ros) war technology.

Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1,000,000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.

War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.

Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip. He was pissed at the time.

Alone against the Daxamite Lar Gand, (Daxamites are the genetic cousins to, but reputed to be more powerful than, Kryptonians), Superman soundly KO'd Lar

Action Comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman twice defeated alien armadas, each capable of destroying a planet.

Superman #153: Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system.

Adventures of Superman #477: survives being at ground zero of an imploding sun-eater, followed by a plummet to Earth. KO'd; otherwise OK afterwards.

Adventures of Superman #478: survives the nuclear obliteration of the Earth's moon without batting an eye.

Man of Steel #64, Action Comics #782: goes into the core of a yellow sun.

Hunter/Prey #3: weathers ground zero of the supposed "million nukes" blast on Calaton.

Superman #9: weathers ground zero of a 40 megaton nuke followed by a fall to Earth from outer space. KO'd for a half hour, OK afterwards.

Superman for All Seasons #1 and Trinity #1: impressively endures ground zero nukes without loss of consciousness or injury.

Superman #181: Takes a punch from the magically created Bizarro creature which slams him clear through the Earth, in the ground through Metropolis, through the curst mantle and core and out through China. No injury or loss of consciousness.

Man of Steel #127: takes an island-destroying nuke while sitting in Kryptonite-laced sand. No injury or loss of consciousness.

War of the Gods #4: blocks a magical beam capable of destroying an island (Paradise Island). Fails to completely mitigate the blast's effect - one person dies. Apparently briefly KO'd or at least in great pain as a result; otherwise OK at issue's end.

Adventures #581: takes a punch from a magical being that knocks him clear from Metropolis to China. No injury or loss of consciousness.

Action #762: takes a punch from Etrigan the Demon that sends him from Metropolis to the Moon. No injury or loss of consciousness.

And Flash can probably infinte mass punch Goku since they'd both be moving at super speeds.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **standing ovation**

It seems like when it comes to punching and blasting Superman, distance is the way to go.

Hah don't give me one I didn't do that I just took it from somebody. That's how I was mainly swayed from Gokou. It's from another Forum called Gaia, and this same arguement has been going on since before I even started Gaia.

Ladys & Gentlemen PLEASE! A standing ovation for *Kaistar*!!!!!!

no not ass kissing just good to have someone around that knows what their talking about or atleasts knows how to look up the information!
and yes i agree dont mess with the ***S*** on the chest!
the mans been around since 1938 or so been re-newed dozens of times, gets killed and still keeps coming back for more. is their any doubt in your mind that he is The Man!!!

Ok so maybe not all Kaistars doing but Kento for whoever the hell you jacked it from an where ever they got it from...keep leting people know whats up!

^^; Eh he got it from searcing Google so standing ovation for Google

wtf lol

Some people are easily impressed.

All that copying and pasting to prove nothing.

Goku at his strongest is Goku after he absorbs the powers of the Eternal Dragon at the end of GT and ascends, not SS4. Shenron is a mystical dragon of immense power that can alter time and reality. You add that enhancement to Goku at SS4, and he's kicking Supes ass. That whole post was under the assumption that SS4 Goku was his strongest state and doesn't account for the merging with the black star dragon balls.

All those 'feats' listed for Supes can be matched by Goku. Goku has deflected planet sized energy balls with the destructive force to destroy solar systems.

Just look at his fight with Buu.

People brag about Superman fighting to the gates of heaven.

Goku is so respected he eats hot dogs and Top Ramen with the Gatekeeper.

As far as Supes surviving nuclear blasts, DC is really inconsistent with that. In Dark Knight Returns Supes takes on a nuclear assault and is left looking like a flying corpse and has to absorb solar power from vegetation (somehow he redirects the plants photosythesis and absorbs its solar energy stores; don't ask).

Inconsistency is the spice of life I guess. In DB Saiyans are shown flying un-aided in space at some points, like when Goku's father assaults Frieza at his ship in orbit above Planet Vegeta before Frieza destroys the planet with a blast frim his index finger.

Don't drink the DC Kool Aid.

Goku would beat regular Supes.

Ascended Goku (with the abilities of Shenron) would take Superman Prime.

Anything Supes can dish out all Goku would have to do is pop a bean and he's 100%. It's better than Barry Bond's lotion.

Supes is not taking Goku.

No all that if from canon evidence of what the people can do. -_- Like I say Prime & Gokou after absorbing the dragonballs are never used so you cannot compare what they can do. There is no canon evidence. As for DKR that isn't canon. That's elseworld. That's not in continuity.

As for Buu against Gokou....Hello if gokou could redirect a earth destroying blast he would have not teleported to Kaioshin's planet.

Vegetto has with Super Buu's blast But Gokou never has.

Gokou is knocked thru mountain, and hurt...Supes is knocked to the moon, and unhurt. Who do you think is more durable, and able to take more?

DKR also makes Batman beat Superman when he can't. In the one canon fight they had Supes nearly killed Bats.

all those feats superman can do CAN NOT be matched by goku. Goku cannot juggle planets, he can not fly 7X the speed of light, he cannot survive blast capable of destroying half galaxies (sure he COULD cause them but he cannot survive them). again, why would superman be defeated by a blast that can destroy a solar system? superman is faster, stronger, smarter, and more durable. goku's martial arts and strenght will do NOTHING against superman prime

They wouldn't do much against Post-Crisis Supes either.

Not to mention not one of those things are done by Superman Prime. He never brings him into the fight cause no canon evidence of him actually doing anything. All that is Pre, and Post- Crisis supes.

Goku doesn't need to juggle planets, he can blow them up with his pinky. Being physically stronger doesn't equal being a better fighter. Goku always finds a way to win. Goku's been machine gun blasted by energy attacks that could be compared to nukes, knocked through mountains, etc., etc, and he gets up, pops a sinzu bean, and wins, and becomes stronger from the fight. Besides, 'killing' Goku makes him more dangerous. That halo simply pops over his head and he keeps fighting. You could even say he's beyond death.

And again, you are not taking into account that Goku merged with the Eternal Dragon at the end of Dragon Ball GT. Shenron grants wishes on a cosmic scale, has ressurected millions, recreated planets that have been destroyed, teleported entire alien races to other planets, etc. I think that counts for "reality and time altering". The Black Star Dragon Balls had the power to destroy the universe if you remember.

Regular Superman is not taking SS4 Goku.

Superman Prime is not taking Goku after he merged with the black star dragon balls and ascended.

Oh, and regular Supes was taken down before by someone below Goku...

And the dragonballs also weren't strong enough to kill Vegeta, and Nappa....so they can't do everything.

Plus if Gokou used a senzu bean it be after the fight or he'd give Supes one.

Who took Supes down that was weaker then Gokou?

He didn't merge with the black star.....They were uncreated after Piccolo died...

Gokou is not beyond death. He dies alot...He only gets to keep his body he's still dead.

How many fights has Gokou won alone? Without any type of help? Freeza he beat alone...but even that was cause Krillen died.

Gokou always wins with help..always. Without help he don't win.

Supes is Ki Immune, faster, and he's been trained. He know martial arts. He's had 100,000 years fighting experience. He's smarter then Gokou could ever be. He's not unbeatable but he is by Gokou's standards.

Nothing that has hit Gokou has turned anything for miles as smooth as glass, Superman was right in the blast, and still survived.

No, Superman Prime has 100,000 years experience, and if we're using Prime, we'd have to use ascended Goku after he defeats Shenron at the end of GT and merges with the black star dragon balls.

The Dragon Balls you are speaking of that couldn't destroy Nappa and Vegeta are the red star Earth Dragon Balls created by Kami. The Black Star Dragon Balls from GT had the power to destroy the universe if not collected after Pilaf made the wish which reverted Goku to childhood and allowed him to regain his tail and attain his full power.

Oh yes, please explain to us who in the series or if TOEI told us anything of what this "ascended" Goku can do? Please tell us.

And how is Supes Ki immune when he's had trouble with psychics and psychic illusionists? His biomatrix doesn't protect him from life energy.

Well, if you consider what Shenron alone could do, add that to Goku's attributes. People make assumptions about the Sword of Heaven, why not make assumptions about Goku with the power of the Eternal Dragon at his disposal.

Yo Kaistar even if u did copy n paste its still funny as hell how u slapped those facts in homeboys face just to shut him up...sorry but i just had to get a word in .couldnt help myself **(no disrespect to illadelph12)**

(but u gotta admit that was a dictionarys worth of superman info) right to the jaw!

and to add: i like DB but aint a damn thing Goku could do to touch Super Man Prime, after what like 1000 years in the sun or something. the guys a galactic time bomb of power waiting to go off.
but there are alot more characters in the DC universe who are 100 times more stronger than S-Man Prime, hes actually ranked 84 in a list of 104 if you guys want it i can post it
let me know.
Late

I'm not even using Superman Prime. I'm talking Post, and Pre-crisis.

It never shows what Prime or Gokou after absorbing Dragonballs can do.

And there are Ki users in DC, and they don't harm him so why would any other ki user.

And Shenron hasn't been able to do much next to bring stuff back from the dead, and teleport people. Unless you count what they all did seperatly as villains.

As for when Superman got the 100,000 years of fighting ability it was with Wonder Woman fighting in Ragnarok with some Norse Gods.

I am not saying anything that has to do with Superman Prime

But it was me that did the copy, and paste thing. And that's not even all of the stuff that Supes has done as Pre-Crisis.

And WHO IS USING SUPERMAN PRIME!! No offense or anything so nobody take it that way but Prime has never had any canon evidence of strength shown....Also neither has Dragonball absorbed Gokou....That's why I am not counting either. Nobody knows the true extent of their abilities.

Kento im reffering to what illadelph12 wrote last page about half way down at the end about S-Man Prime. that goku and the dragon together can take beat S-Man prime blah blah blah!

i know ur on pre & post crisis
oh and Kento i did credit u write after my first comment about standing ovations last page...(well kinda) oh yea ovations for google thats whats up!
sorry i got lazy and didnt feel like doiing the qoutes thing. ...sory

lol ^^; Sry. Anyways whats the list of people more powerful then Prime...God I feel like I'm talking about Autobots here..

This was posted by: Never. in the God Of Thunder Vs. Herald Of Galactus
forum.
a friend of a friend. the guy is genius and will shut anyone up just check his posts!

Here it is Look Where Superman Prime is at!!!
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1. The Presence
2. The Source
3. Rama Kushna
4. H'ronmeer
5.Meshta
6.Gyges and Garamas (with God power)
7.Great Evil Beast (appeared in an issue in which the Infinity Avengers kinda ripped off if you read it carefully)
8.Spectre at his full potential (omnipotent is unbeatable rather you're omnipresent or omniscient)
9. Mawu (the religious God of Africa shown in Spectre #58 )
10.The Voice (An entity part of the Presence)
11.The Word
12. Wally the God Boy
13. Lucifer Morningstar
14. Archangel Michael
15. The Aleph
16.Decreator
17. The 5th Dimensional Imps (Mr. Mxyzptlk, Bane-Mite, and Thunderbolts)
18. Ultimator, and other races and beings include 4d to 10d
19. ID (A 6th dimensional being created by the Cathexis that could fullfill one's wish. Unlimited Powers)
20. Parallax
21. Ion
22. Uni-Friend
23. Anti-Life Entity
24. Eclipso
25. Mistos
26. Satan
27. Stigmonus Monsieur
28. Sinestro after death when he faced the Spectre
29.First of the Fallen
30. Azmodus
31. DC's Archangels- Gabriel (probably most powerful archangel next to Michael), Amenadiel, Sandalphon, Ramiel, Duma, ect.
32 DC's Angel Host- Bull Host, Eagle, Lion, and Human rather Zauriel and Asmodel at angelic form
33. Anti-Monitor and Monitor
34. Hyperman
35. The Endless
36. Entropy (Krona)
37. Kismet
38.Dominus
39. Oblivion
40. Chaos and Order (2 elemental force)
41. Lord of Chaos/Lord of Order
42.Black Racer
43. The Kindly Ones
44. Voiceless Gods
45. Mahu
46.Seviram
47. That giant monster Lucifer unleashed to stop Amenadiel's army, and anything Lucifer has faced
48. A
49. King of Tears
50. Hawkgod
51. Elder Gods
52.Dark Gods
53.Shattered Gods
54. Rao, and other gods of Krypton
55. Candlemaker
56.Dorothy Spinner (IMO, imp-like level in which she can create by thinking it)
57. Telephone Avatar
58. Shadowy Mr. Evans
59. Carnivore (Almost took over heaven)
60. Anti-Matter Man
61. Glorith and the original Time Trapper
62. Promethian Giants
63. Millennium Giants
64. Extant
65. Monarch
66. The Seven Deadly Enemy of Man
67. Cosmic Gamblers
68. S'ivaa the Destroyer
69. Brimstone
70. Pantheon gods- African like Shango the Thunderer, Oloron the First Born, Norse gods like Odin and Loki, Greek gods like Zeus and Hercules, Japanese gods like Susano-o-no-makota and Izanami, Egypton gods like Osirect and Ra, ect.
71. The Unimaginables
72. Ibac/Sabbac- the 2 Capt. Marvel villain which 1 was a clone and another had power like with black magic
73. Neron, the demon that demoted Neron from hell, Abaddon the Destroyer, Adramelech, Agony & Ectacy, One in Charge of Punishment of the Damned in Effrul, Keeper of the Oracle of Styx, and since I don't feel like listing everyone from hell, I'll just estimate: 300-400 leaders/higher rank in Hell
74. The 3 Demons- Rath, Ghast, and Abnegazar
75. The race who got rid of the demons- Timeless Ones
76. Lord Satanis
77. Lord Satanus
78. Second and Third of the Fallen (Brothers of First of the Fallen)
79. Mad God of 3600
80. The First Citadelian and his clone armies and the other Citadelians
81. Oblivion II- one that faced Wonder Woman
82. Auron
83. X'Hal
84. Superman Prime
85. Everyone in the 853rd Century including Manhunter from Mars
86. Wonderworld race and heroes
87. Maggedon
88. Old Gods- Wotan, Lokee, Arzaz, Nameless One
89. Guardian of the Universe
90. Controllers
91. Zamarons
92. Progenitor- This guy created his own galaxy and a whole race
93. Fernus and the Burning Martians
94. Anti-Sun
95. Imperiex Prime and Imperiex probes
96. Yuga Khan
97. Nebula Man
98. Orion at his true form (the one that Astro once posted in Alvaro's)
99. Orion with the ALE
100. Darkseid one with the Source from NG v4
101. Izaya one with the Source in a New Gods v4 issue
102. Euricros
103. Clocxwerk
104. Hourman 3/Warlogog

That's cool...

^^; Still I don't see how people can judge Superman Prime's power to know where he's at...but oh well.

well he is the only regular known character in this whole list so its gotta count for something!

But it seems like it makes Prime weaker then Asmodel...however as Superman Blue he was fighting evenly against Asmodel, and that was his weakest version. *shrugs*

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On the hole goku thging

thats has have to be the most ignorant post thus far in this thread. did you even read the strong evidencd me and kento have against goku? my question is what can goku do that superman prime can't (besides go super saiyan and throw ki blast which will in NO WAY hurt superman at all). i like goku as much as the next guy but even i have to face the fact. goku WILL NOT beat superman (not even pre-crisis prolly).

peace

nicely stated *Kaistar*. and yes that was the most ignorant post ive seen by far on this thread!

i mean to say pre-crisis superman, not superman prime (superman prime is out of the picture) =] and i meant post crisis superman and not pre-crisis in the end of my post. just clarifying =]

Superman wins

End thread

Seems like our work here is done Kaistar *nods*

*nods*

Wow...

Ah so you finally see Supes wins.