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Spidy has fought Juggs. without any damage.
Is there anyway he can defeat the Thing.

Juggernaut can be hurt (Shatterstar ran his blades right at Juggernaut's eyes), but that doesn't mean Spiderman can stop him.

Thing's pain however, will remain with him longer. With available items and obstructions in the environment, Spiderman could overcome the Thing and subdue him.

Spidey's smarter, and not dumb enough to battle thing like that, cuz he has before. He tossed thing like a light weight sack o bricks, but they never got to really duke it out. when spidey first meets the FF in one of his first issues he dazzles them all. Spidey would eventually figure something out.

That'd be rad to see with todays art. Spidy holding Thing over his head. I forgot his strength allows him to do that.

most ppl do

He's smacked Thing around before, Thing can't really catch him. However, Thing has also laid out Spidey with one punch. As long as Spider-Man isn't distracted *he was fighting all the FF when Thing took him out* Thing won't be able to touch him.

true, true......im curious Mercilous didn't come here spider bashing yet.......wait for it.............lol

Hm, this could be a "non-fight".

Spider-Man can't beat Thing with his bare hands (not strong enough, and he will end up breaking his hands) unless he beats him constantly with a telephone-pole into oblivion lol. But I don't see that happening.

Thing also has problems : much too slow to catch Spider-Man, to be honest, I don't think Spider-Man even needs his spidersense against Ben (not that Thing is slow, but we can't call him real fast either).

So, I don't think we have a good fight...

If Spidey played his cards right, he could keep dodging Thing and do some quick blows until Thing gets tired then take him out. On the other hand, Thing could lure Spidey in close then get him in a sleeper hold, or just land some well placed blows until he's KO'd.

spidey would dodge thing without a problem, and maybe trip him with web a few times, it would be a cool fight to see with alot of creative attacks...as to who would win, i dont know

well, spidey and thing (thing had invisible woman on his side as well) had a brief fight in Venom #18. Spidey one... with ease...

won*

when spider tossed thing way back in his first appearance in FF, thing could only lift five tons.

When puppet master took control of spidey he couldnt hit the Thing hard enough to move him, even after he had consecutively kicked both Wonderman and She Hulk's asses.

Im curious about this venom #18 fight, never read it...but Thing could simply clap his hands or flick spidey with his finger to knock him out...even a gentle punch from Thing would kill spidey

...don't think so, spidey has been hit by stronger foes and not been killed. spidey is too fast to hit anyway, not mentioning spidey sense. a gentle punch would be enough to knock the wind out of spidey and make him think twice about aproaching thing, but not kill him. And I thought only Hulk could do the whole Clap thing???? I think none the less spidey would sense danger and escape the rage of the power of the clap,.......lol that just sounds funny.

what basically happened was spidey dodged thing's attack, and used his "sticky hands" or whatever you wanna call it that makes him stick to walls to pick thing up easily over his head and hold him there, then he simply launched over the side of a building, and invisible woman had to chase after him to keep him from dying/seriously injuring himself.

I've always liked Thing a little more than Spidey (I think he's funnier), but unless Ben could get Pete in a bear hug of some sort, I don't see him being able to compete with the combined strength AND speed AND agility AND Spider Sense attack-and-dodge combo fighting style of Spidey. Thing is basically a street brawler (albeit a really BIG street brawler), while Spidey's style is all his own. I think once Spidey realized he couldn't take Thing in a one-on-one close-up battle, he'd use his other skills to overmatch the slower brute force tactics of Thing.

And don't forget, Spider-Man's Spidey Sense and super-fast reaction time lets him roll with a hard punch even as it makes contact. Hell, he does it every time he fights a "brick" in the comics.

Anyone strong enough technically can do a thunderclap, it's just that Hulk does it more. Juggernaut used it against Generation-X once and knocked the whole team unconcious.

Thing is not going to kill Spider-Man with a flick of the finger. He pulled his punch when he took out Spidey in the Marvel Team-Up, but it was still a regular punch and he didn't kill him. He could theoretically kill Spider-man with a punch, but theoretically anyone on an equal level can kill anyone with a punch as well. Spidey has taken bashings from Hulk and lived. And again, Spider-Man is not stupid enough to get close and caught in a bear-hug.

my point exactamondo

If Thing faked being hurt and Spider-Man cared enough to check if he was indeed in pain, bear hug time.

I still stand by my theory : the only way Spider-Man can beat him, is pull out a telephone-pole (or something like that) and play golf with Thing lol.

Thing would grab it from him and hit him all the way to Hell's Kitchen.

Maybe

....hmmmm/......maybe.....the two have fought together on many occassions....this would be a great fight.

Lol, oh what a cheating bastard he'd be.

yeah, thing is no punk, He is much more honorable than that. He is true blue. not some faking pansy.

His spider-sense would still warn him that Thing was faking

Seriously, if you think the Thing can overcome Spiderman, you shouldnt be allowed to read comics.The thing is basically a slower but stronger version of the Rhino, or a weaker version of Abomination. Spiderman beats rhino into submission everytime, and subdues abomination. People must forget that Spiderman has some pretty god damn amazing endurance and is also superhuman, oh yeah, he is also about 100 times more intellignet than the thing.

Well, if I were Thing and I really needed to beat Spider-Man by any means necessary because of something he did "like get webbing in Sue's hair" that would be the first thing I would try if I knew Spider-Man's speed.

not true, thing would piss all over rhino.

and rape him

yes, savagely...

as for thing and spidey, i'm undecided, but the only writer who'd ever let thing win would be a fanboy, not because of things ability, just that 99% of writers would make spidey win.

from what i've read in comics i gotta say spidey takes this one, but i'm having a hard time picturing it as a serious brawl, because spidey would be trying to trip thing and annoy him, and they both have smartass jokes so from my point of view it would be a funny battle

i'd buy it, if it was done well it'd be a great battle.

I agree. This would probably be a great fight, with lots of wise-cracks on both sides. I think eventually though, Thing would get frustrated and start making mistakes (he does have some anger issues), meanwhile Spidey would still be having a good time poking fun at him and looking for his shot. In the end, I think Thing goes down for the count.

Good point, I forgot about that. His spider-sense would know Thing was faking. Spider-Man doesn't beat Rhino into submission every time, he usually outsmarts him. Many times he's said his punches don't affect Rhino's hide much. Thing isn't as stupid as people make him out to be, he's certainly more intelligent than Rhino, but yeah he's nowhere near as smart as Spidey.


I must regretfully *well not that regretfully* disagree that Thing would rape Rhino, lol. I don't think Ben swings that way. Plus, while Thing would win in a fight, he's still not capable of taking the hide off him, so there's no...opening for him to utilize.

isnt there an opening in his mask? lol.....okay this is sick

Well yeah, the hide doesn't cover his face, but there are no holes in his costume.



I really wish I hadn't brought this up, now people are going to start discussing it in graphic detail, lol.

Then how does he go poo?

lol, he poo's inside his costume man...or maybe he has one of those pajama ass-latches lol

h.....u've all convinced me that Spidey can win. and I agree

Well if Thing's d*ck is erect it might be strong enough to pierce through Rhino's hide. Again, I don't know much about Thing's anatomy.

Oh come on. To do that, he'd have to be as hard as a rock...

See, I told you I'd regret it, lol.

And man, that blind chick that Ben's with must be loooovvving it!

yeah, and when he retires he can be a porn star...

Thing is not going to get frustrated and start making mistakes and he is not stupid either...
-Thing is a great strategist...good enough to take on the Avengers all at once and neutralize everyone but Cap.
-Thing was the leader of the FF for a few years and did so very competently
-Thing went to the same college as Peter Parker, and was trained in the Military, eventually becoming the best pilot I can name in the MU

Thing is too resourceful to simply stand around and try to muscle someone who is vastly more fast and agile than himself...he has knocked out people of the same durability as Spiderman with his thunderclaps, and can also send shockwaves through the ground to take people out from a distance.

This is a hard one to call...on paper Spiderman has some clear advantages, but expperience, strategy, and pure power fall toward Grimm...as usual, Im going with Thing.

and the fact that spidey easily beat him recently means...?

i have to see this fight...ultimately i can chalk it up to inconsistancy considering on other occasions spidey couldnt budge an already exhausted Thing

No, it's because The thing has NO abilities.

Hand to hand Spiderman loses bigtime. But Spidey is too smart to fight him like that. So he would just outsmart him like he did to the Juggernaut.

eh...



i'm not saying thing would win, i'm just saying it'd be a lot closer than most people think...

Yea people who say SM would easily win r ignorant...saying Thing has no abilities is equally narrow minded and ignorant...they clearly dont understand the depth of his character or the true nature of his powers...the Thing's powers were recently a threat to the whole planet...this has never been the case for spidey...I would also like to say that when a writer depicts the Thing as easily getting defeated by a guy who stops purse snatchers, I cannot take them seriously...

again, Thing is a very efficient strategist, good enough to take out the Avengers (except Cap) and be the Leader of the Fantastic Four...and his experience vastly surpasses spidey.

who exactly are you referring to when you say a guy who stops purse snatchers? I mean i hope it isnt spiderman. If The thing fought Spidermans enemies he would get rocked. Spiderman has gone up against some of the most threatning and intelligent villians MARVEL has to offer. Thing is big, dumb and slow. The only thing the THING offers in a bout against Spiderman is brute strength. Seriously, trying to argue The thing into a victory is just over looking or blatantly dismissing reason.

Say that again. I just like the way it sounds...

I don't know who would win, but I can tell you that Thing's experience does NOT vastly surpasses that of Spider-Man. For each villain Thing has fought on his own, Spider-Man has fought 10.

And they've both been around since the early sixties, so they are roughly equally experienced (with the difference that Thing is only ONE member of the FF-comics and Spider-Man has had - multiple - series the last decades).

i dont know of alot about thing fighting enemies solo, brute strength he does have, from what i've read of him in comic books he isnt such a big strategist, thing sure isnt as dumb as everyone thinks, but he is hot-headed and i've seen him say "its clobberin' time" and then end up getting himself into trouble

but i dont know too much about things solo battles so i would have to be undecided for now

Yeah experience-wise, Thing has only had a few months extra experience, so it doesn't have any bearing in this debate. As for people who think Spider-Man would easily win, I agree that's absurd. It would be a tough fight, and in reality, Spider-Man isn't going to 'win' the fight, he's just going to subdue Thing long enough to talk sense into him. He never beat the Hulk. Hulk can't lay a finger on him because Pete's too fast, but Spidey's blows do nothing but tickle Hulk. He would have the same effect on Thing. It's just a case of Thing eventually realizing he's not going to get his hands on Spider-Man and then they talk whatever problem they're having out.

the reason I said it is because it happened...Fantastic Four vol 3 # 27...otherwise I wouldnt say it...my arguments r based on facts, not my opinions...Thing's enemies r vastly more powerful than Spiderman's...just like I had to mention in the Thing versus wolverine thread...Thing has travelled across time, the cosmos, the negative zone, and numerous other dimensions, fighting cosmic threats on a regular basis...when u say Spiderman has fought the worst villains in Marvel, who r u refering to? Venom, the goblins, Doc Ock, Doom a couple times right? Firelord...Doom is one of the deadliest villains in Marvel, I agree, the Thing is one of the few people who has actually humbled the REAL Doctor Doom...the Fantastic four have fought Terminus, Annihilus, Galactus, Abraxis, several Celestials, Onslaught, Doctor Doom, Kang, Aron the rogue Watcher, Overmind, Klaw, Diablo, Ultron, Blastaar, Arkon, the high evolutionary, the Dark Raider, the Sphinx, Ego, Occulus, Gravitron, Ultron, Gladiator, the Skrulls, Superskrull, Paibok the power skrull, the Avengers, Hyperstorm, Ronin the Accusor, the captain britain corps, etc...
now I know my Spiderman list was short...but I can't really think of many impressive characters he's fought...I only mentioned the hard guys the FF have beat, I omitted weak guys like puppet master, moleman, and the Wizard....
So my point is, isnt it ignorant to say Spidey has faced tougher enemies?...
The thing was with the FF when they fought all the above mentioned enemies...I didnt mention any people they fought with powerman and she hulk in his place...
Thing has also fought: The Avengers (FF v3 #27) The Hulk, the Silver Surfer, the Wrecker, Sasquatch, Black Bolt, Rhino (I realize spider fought him too but he was no match for Thing), Black Bolt, Thanos, Gladiator, the Destroyer, The Beyonder, Thor, the Champion of the Universe, Hercules, the Shi'ar Imperial Guard...and more.

Spidey has faced some tough guys too...but If u try to compare Juggernaut to Abraxis or the dreaming Celestial, that would be ignorant too.

Spidey's also faced Magneto, Thanos, and Beyonder. He didn't do anything to the latter two, but he still was brave/stupid enough to do it.

magneto is in the same league as Jugs in this case...even Thanos is a punk to Abraxis...I know spidey was in a comic with Thanos..Thing and Thor were in that comic too, and they actually fought Thanos, although they got knocked out...a punch or blast from Thanos would easily kill spidey...I think i remember him helping the Avengers escape, but did he actually try to fight Thanos?

Spidey fought the Vulture...

hahahaha

Has he died yet?

not the latest one to my knowledge, theres been about 4 vultures lol

Actually I meant another issue, Spider-Man #17. He 'died' and Thanos 'greeted' him. He went into this speech about how great death was and something about killing an innocent woman whose child had died along with Spidey. Spider-Man then attacked Thanos, which sort of impressed him. It wasn't much of a fight, but it's still neat. I don't know anything about Abraxis. Is he one of those plotline characters of ridiculous power that fizzles out in one story arc, lol? I hate those.

Well the original Vulture is still alive. He was old, then young, then old, then young, now old again. There was a second Vulture, but he died or retired the issue after he first appeared.

oh i never saw that one...Abraxis basically went around the multiverse killing Galctuses and his herlads...he is basically the most powerful character who is not an omnipotent force of the universe

I get kind of sick of those characters, too. Eventually, there HAS to be an omnipotent super duper power in the whole multi-plex of universes (but then they'll just do a crossover with "Better Homes and Gardens" and find out it's really Martha Stewart).

Galactuses? I thought there was one Galactus--Galan. There are other beings who date from prior to the Big Bang? When the hell did this happen?



Oh god, Martha Stewart vs. the Living Tribunal. Hell, the entire Marvel and DC universes would flee in terror just so they didn't have to put up with her.

"And today, we're going to make a luvely bunch of cupcakes. But first, let's see how Galactus is doing with that quilting project, shall we..."

Thing
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its so funny when paola says to stay on-topic, because i read the post before hers and i think "why the hell are they talking about that" this is a perfect example lol

but anyway imo spidey would win this one, although i like both characters too damn much

Galactus is standing there with a really confused look on his face as Martha comes up with her arms crossed. "Galactus? Is that how I showed you to crochet?" Galactus holds down head, "No ma'am." She sighs: "I guess pre-dating the existence of the universe doesn't help you now, does it?"





Sorry Paola, that's all, lol.

Spidey's reflexes, reaction time and agility, are sufficient to compensate is lower strenght, but the Thing is a good hand to hand combat probably above Spidey's level, so it will be hard, an remember that for Benji requires just 1blow, not at full strenght, but a 80% of it to rend spidey unconscious.If you compare Spidey's enemies and Thing's enemies, there's no match, during Abraxas saga battle royal, Benji was sent a over 300mph through a building from Abraxas with a breath, and survive that.Spidey will be a Picasso picture after a hit like that.If Spidey's reflexes and agility are used at nearly top in a comic battle and Benji doesn't go Berserk, only the writer can really decide who winse, but my money is on The Thing.

Abraxas travelled universe to universe killing Galactus and his herlads in each one...thats how he was able to kill Galactuses...he is certainly higher than Jugs, Magneto, and Thanos on the food chain

and K3vil is right about Abraxis and Thing...Thing leapt from his pogo plane shouting "Cloberin' Time!!!" and Abraxas made him stop in mid air...then he blew on Thing and he went flying through a couple skyscrapers...its ok though, Thing is tough and he was fine...

damn thats cool lol

Yeah I read about Abraxis recently, but didn't Galactus beat him in the end?

with the help of the FF and Franklin Richards, yea

Spidey's Spider sense counts for a fighting style that is unparralleled.

I would rank spidey's fighting very high, the way he uses it in tandem with his powers.

Franklin, that damn kid again. But Abraxis only came into existence after Galactus' so-called 'death' right?

It does indeed

My vote is for Spidey as he has a much larger fan base than the Thing (kidding)

spidey could easily dodge the Things powerful but slow moves... the only problem is.. I don't think spidey can directly punch or otherwise beat the Thing into submission..

Spidey could dodge the thing, and then blast him in the face with webbing, or tie him up with webbing and get away..

Is the thing strong enough to break spidey's webbing?? That's my question.. I think one good punch from thing would be good enough to take spidey down for the count.. but he would have a tough time getting in in..

It's a case of whoever can last the longest before dropping from exhaustion, wins Unless there is prep or suitable environmental advantages, then Spidey wins IMO

Originally posted by willRules
It's a case of whoever can last the longest before dropping from exhaustion, wins Unless there is prep or suitable environmental advantages, then Spidey wins IMO I agree there.

I think people tend to forget exactly how strong and tough Spidey is when he's fighting people like Thing. Yes, Thing's a good amount stronger, but just because Spidey's main attributes are speed, agility, and reflexes, doesn't mean he can't take em'. Also, Spidey's the one who laid Thing out in Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects, though they were both being mind controlled.

Spider-man could win this battle before his recent upgrades. With the upgrades and the new suit, he wins very easy.

thing will never catch spiderman. and spiderman can hrut thing.

spiderman 9.9/10

I give this to spidy. He can shoot webs and is so fast like whoa. you can't even see him sometimes because of blurryness. He also predicts soem future. Spidey wins this.

are you guys serous? what the hell is spidy going to do to thing?

Make him blind with webs. How can things thick fingers take off anything? Now taht he's blind spidey can just make him walk toward the ring out.

Originally posted by Varnage
Make him blind with webs. How can things thick fingers take off anything? Now taht he's blind spidey can just make him walk toward the ring out.
there are no ring outs in an areana match and thing can eaily ripp the webbing off not to mention the odds of him hitting thing in the eyes is extremely bad.

Why? Does thing have super speed? No... spiderman has far superior speed and aiming and how can you posssible thing that thing can take off those webs have you seen his fingers? They're HUGE! There are too ringouts I saw someone say battlefield removal. He'll just make him walk over a cliff while he's blind.

Guys listen, I've played this game called marvel nemesis. It has both the thing and spidey on it, and many othercharacters from marvel. I chose spidey and went head to head with thing. Let's just say what spidey said at the end of the fight.

"Now that's what I call a web slingin' ass kicking!"

I kicked the things brick ass. I mopped up the floor with him, destroyed him. It prooves that spidey would win. Play the game. I played it for X-box and PS2. And you can't say I won from expierience. It was my first fight ever!

May have been done before, but I didn't find it....

Takes place in a modern urban setting.

I guess to me it's a close call.....

I will give the edge to Ben in a long fight.

Ben is about 5 times stronger.

I don't see Spiderman really hurting him, although he should be able to avoid most if not all of Ben's attacks.

Thunder clap could daze and give him a good hit in though.

I'd say Thing 8/10

I guess my only problem would be how the hell Ben would ever catch up to him to hurt him...

Spidey ain't no sloutch in the strength department

I can see Spiderman beating more times than not. He did take on the FF and embarassed them.

Well if Spider-Man is going all out he could just use webbing to block Things air ways because for one thing I doubt Thing could grab the webbing with his fingers and after awhile he would pass out.

Depends on whether Pete discovers his webs sooner than Ben discovers his thunder clap.

Long-ass fight either way.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I can see Spiderman beating more times than not. He did take on the FF and embarassed them.

This was early age Team Buster Spidey back when he was able to beat Thor and kick the crap out of the X-Men.

Thing would fold Spidey 8/10

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
he was able to beat Thor

Yes?

Long fight nontheless.

Spider-Man certainly has the speed and agility to evade Thing's strikes. But all Thing would have to do is land a couple hits and Spider-Man would be out. Spider-Man is around Class 15 in strength wheras Thing is around low-level Class 100. Spider-Man could certainly use webbing to his advantage by throwings debris at him with it or perhaps even throwing Thing himself. The bottom line is if Spider-Man plays it smart he can take a few wins but if he's stupid and tries to duke it out with Thiong in a straight up slugfest he will get demolished.

That said Thing wins 6-7/10.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Long fight nontheless.

Spider-Man certainly has the speed and agility to evade Thing's strikes. But all Thing would have to do is land a couple hits and Spider-Man would be out. Spider-Man is around Class 15 in strength wheras Thing is around low-level Class 100. Spider-Man could certainly use webbing to his advantage by throwings debris at him with it or perhaps even throwing Thing himself. The bottom line is if Spider-Man plays it smart he can take a few wins but if he's stupid and tries to duke it out with Thiong in a straight up slugfest he will get demolished.

That said Thing wins 6-7/10.

Not to say that Spidey will win but currently Spidey has been officially upgraded to class 25 strength but has performed class 50-100 feats when either pissed or desperate.
Just something to think about. Maybe your numbers are still right though.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not to say that Spidey will win but currently Spidey has been officially upgraded to class 25 strength but has performed class 50-100 feats when either pissed or desperate.
Just something to think about. Maybe your numbers are still right though.

I thought he was 15, thanks to One more day

Originally posted by SpiderGauntlet
I thought he was 15, thanks to One more day

I though the events of One More Day would get Spiderman back down to his classic strength level of 10 tons

Originally posted by h1a8
Not to say that Spidey will win but currently Spidey has been officially upgraded to class 25 strength but has performed class 50-100 feats when either pissed or desperate.
Just something to think about. Maybe your numbers are still right though. Feats like what?

class 25 means you can lift between 15-25 tons

I thought it meant you could lift 25 tons.

Allot more times than not Pete's gonna take this. That is unless something happens and Joe Q writes him as a retard in it too.

He's ALLOT! faster than Ben and he's got even more leverage with his Spidersense. Also while he's not as strong as Ben he's still damnstrong. More than strong enough and definitely smart enough to figure out several ways to attack and hurt Ben without coming into close enough range or be act slow enough for Ben to hurt him.

Pete may not be as strong or as durable as Ben but really he's not lacking in the strength department enough not to be a thread to Ben and his reflexes are well known to be way more than enough to make up the difference. Not to mention how much smarter Pete is than Ben.

All Pete's gotta do is keep moving, or attack form distances, or use his strength to use things that can hurt Ben, or just stall long enough to figure out a sure win.

Spiderman takes it 8/10 at least IMO

I mean he's took on the whole fantastic 4 before this is just him vs the one that has the least thread to his powerset.

Originally posted by Entity
Allot more times than not Pete's gonna take this. That is unless something happens and Joe Q writes him as a retard in it too.

He's ALLOT! faster than Ben and he's got even more leverage with his Spidersense. Also while he's not as strong as Ben he's still damnstrong. More than strong enough and definitely smart enough to figure out several ways to attack and hurt Ben without coming into close enough range or be act slow enough for Ben to hurt him.

Pete may not be as strong or as durable as Ben but really he's not lacking in the strength department enough not to be a thread to Ben and his reflexes are well known to be way more than enough to make up the difference. Not to mention how much smarter Pete is than Ben.

All Pete's gotta do is keep moving, or attack form distances, or use his strength to use things that can hurt Ben, or just stall long enough to figure out a sure win.

Spiderman takes it 8/10 at least IMO

I mean he's took on the whole fantastic 4 before this is just him vs the one that has the least thread to his powerset.

Spidey is smarter overall, but Thing is more 'combat smart' than Spidey. I don't think a punch from Spidey will do much of anything to the Thing (and even Hulk has hurt his hand hitting the Thing). Also he isn't just going to stand around and be a target for Spidey's long range attacks. We're not talking Rhino here!
Also : Thunderclap!!!! If this stuns Spidey or slows him up, then the Thing, who is as fast as a trained athlete, has a chance to grab him.

I wouldn't say Thing is more combat smart than Spiderman, actually Spiderman has shown more tatical skills than Thing has.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I thought it meant you could lift 25 tons.

Class 25 means you can press somewhere between 10-25 tons

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/MasterEdition-17-1_cover_b.jpg

Originally posted by Batroc
Thing, who is as fast as a trained athlete,

Got anything to back that statement?

Cause everything I've ever seen says otherwise!

Originally posted by Entity


Got anything to back that statement?

Cause everything I've ever seen says otherwise!

I would say that statement is fairly accurate. Someone who can generate as much power as Thing surely can move as fast as an athlete if not faster. That however, is not nearly fast enough to match Spiderman's speed.

Originally posted by nimbus006
I would say that statement is fairly accurate. Someone who can generate as much power as Thing surely can move as fast as an athlete if not faster. That however, is not nearly fast enough to match Spiderman's speed.
Depends on wat level of athletics. I'm sure he can't keep up with Captain America imo.

Originally posted by Priest
Depends on wat level of athletics. I'm sure he can't keep up with Captain America imo.

Cap at least in my eyes has always been way above any normal athlete.

Captain America is supposed to be peak human but most will agree his 616 feats depict him to be somewhat enhanced(atleast in strength). He should be superior to any olympic athlete that has or will ever compete in every statistical category.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Captain America is supposed to be peak human but most will agree his 616 feats depict him to be somewhat enhanced(atleast in strength). He should be superior to any olympic athlete that has or will ever compete in every statistical category.

Agreed

Originally posted by Batroc
Spidey is smarter overall, but Thing is more 'combat smart' than Spidey. I don't think a punch from Spidey will do much of anything to the Thing (and even Hulk has hurt his hand hitting the Thing). Also he isn't just going to stand around and be a target for Spidey's long range attacks. We're not talking Rhino here!
Also : Thunderclap!!!! If this stuns Spidey or slows him up, then the Thing, who is as fast as a trained athlete, has a chance to grab him.

When did the Hulk hurt his hand, punching Ben-if he did it was PIS. Hulk has smashed through a lot of hard surfaces without injury and he has greater durability than the Thing anyway

Originally posted by Darth Martin
That was actually a pretty good breakdown Capt.
thank you

Except I'd say Spiderman at the very least has equal fighting skills. He may not have as much formal training, but fighting supervillians since being a teen he has developed his own fighting style.

Also Spiderman can fight for more than an hour, remember he has enhanced endurance and accelerated healing. Also not sure if his strength was dropped down to 10 tons with the BND retcon.

And Thing does have range attack, via thunderclap.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except I'd say Spiderman at the very least has equal fighting skills. He may not have as much formal training, but fighting supervillians since being a teen he has developed his own fighting style.

Also Spiderman can fight for more than an hour, remember he has enhanced endurance and accelerated healing. Also not sure if his strength was dropped down to 10 tons with the BND retcon.

And Thing does have range attack, via thunderclap.

He not at all. His style would be far more effective with training. He not on things level or even very close. If you took away both powers and had them fight, Ben would stomp Pete 10/10.

Yes he can,but he can't fight at peak for more then an hour nor has he shown to be able too. His healing is far to weak to grant him any real stamina. He has slight meta human stamina at best. Hell is Longest battle was with morlun and he kept attempting to rest and was far from peak after an hour.

All his upgrades for the last 15 years are gone. He has web shotters. His trength is back at 10 tons and his limited healing factor most likly was dropped down even further.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He not at all. His style would be far more effective with training. He not on things level or even very close. If you took away both powers and had them fight, Ben would stomp Pete 10/10.

Yes he can,but he can't fight at peak for more then an hour nor has he shown to be able too. His healing is far to weak to grant him any real stamina. He has slight meta human stamina at best. Hell is Longest battle was with morlun and he kept attempting to rest and was far from peak after an hour.

All his upgrades for the last 15 years are gone. He has web shotters. His trength is back at 10 tons and his limited healing factor most likly was dropped down even further.

You can't take away both their powers and have them fight and think it would be even, Peter's fighting style is built off of his powers...

He healed from a bullet wound over night, while riding a missile it blew up in the air, he was in the immediate vicinity and he healed within dies, and this was while he was weak already.

The fight from Morlun if I remember correctly was longer than an hour and Morlun sucks the energy from Peter, not really a good example.

Originally posted by Mindset
You can't take away both their powers and have them fight and think it would be even, Peter's fighting style is built off of his powers...
Like I said it his attributes not his skill. skill has nothing to do with ones powers.

Originally posted by Mindset
He healed from a bullet wound over night, while riding a missile it blew up in the air, he was in the immediate vicinity and he healed within dies, and this was while he was weak already.
No he dident.

and he almost died he was rushed to the hospital.

Like I said his healing factor is useless in battle.

Originally posted by Mindset
The fight from Morlun if I remember correctly was longer than an hour and Morlun sucks the energy from Peter, not really a good example.

It really was not that Long 2 hours max and spiderman before the first hour was not at peak.

Like I said peter can fight at peak for an hour after that his stamina gives and he becomes slower.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Like I said it his attributes not his skill. skill has nothing to do with ones powers.


No he dident.

and he almost died he was rushed to the hospital.

Like I said his healing factor is useless in battle.



It really was not that Long 2 hours max and spiderman before the first hour was not at peak.

Like I said peter can fight at peak for an hour after that his stamina gives and he becomes slower.
You are not getting what I'm saying, because of his powers he was able to develope a unique fighting style. A style that only he can do because of his powers, true, but that really means nothing. You wouldn't take a samurai's sword away from him and expect him to fight on the same level as with it would you? His powers are to him as a sword would be to a swordsman.


Oops, I was thinking of him breaking an arm and it healing overnight.

But there is still the time with the missile.


And like I already had mentioned before, the Spiderman Morlun fight is not a good basis for your claims of his endurance. As Morlun sucks the energy out of Spiderman.

Originally posted by Mindset
You are not getting what I'm saying, because of his powers he was able to develope a unique fighting style. A style that only he can do because of his powers, true, but that really means nothing. You wouldn't take a samurai's sword away from him and expect him to fight on the same level as with it would you? His powers are to him as a sword would be to a swordsman.


Oops, I was thinking of him breaking an arm and it healing overnight.

But there is still the time with the missile.


And like I already had mentioned before, the Spiderman Morlun fight is not a good basis for your claims of his endurance. As Morlun sucks the energy out of Spiderman.

OH I know what you mean,but the fact is it not skill he using his atrributes and relying on his spidersenses. Any one could do that with his abilities. Ben reily did it.


again like I said it be useless in a fight.

he went to the hospital.


it spidermans best feats of stamina to date. If you don't use it then spidermans shown crap for stamina.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
OH I know what you mean,but the fact is it not skill he using his atrributes and relying on his spidersenses. Any one could do that with his abilities. Ben reily did it.


again like I said it be useless in a fight.

he went to the hospital.


it spidermans best feats of stamina to date. If you don't use it then spidermans shown crap for stamina.

Ben Reilly was his clone, he had his memories and experiences, of course he could use his powers like Pete. Just because he is dependent on his powers does not make it not a skill, if you gave his exact same powers to some regular guy and had him fight Pete he'd lose. The fact still remains that Spiderman has a fighting system, whether it relys on his abilities is irrelevant.

Well his was able to fight Morlun for more than an hour while being hurt and having his powers/energy drained. That should be enough to show he has enhanced endurance. Is it in the league of Wolverine, no, but it is metahuman level endurance regardless.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ben Reilly was his clone, he had his memories and experiences, of course he could use his powers like Pete. Just because he is dependent on his powers does not make it not a skill, if you gave his exact same powers to some regular guy and had him fight Pete he'd lose. The fact still remains that Spiderman has a fighting system, whether it relys on his abilities is irrelevant.
Ben ended up becomign superior to spiderman in fighting abilitiy.

He only lose to peter becuase peter has vastly mroe experience with his powers.

His fighting system relies on his powers not skill. With out his powers he get stomp by Ben.

Like I said he not as skilled. He maybe be as effective,but not skilled.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well his was able to fight Morlun for more than an hour while being hurt and having his powers/energy drained. That should be enough to show he has enhanced endurance. Is it in the league of Wolverine, no, but it is metahuman level endurance regardless.

Like I said he can retain his peak ability for roughly an hour before he begins to tire.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Feats like what?

Feats like bracing a multistory building, lifting more than 40tons of metal
off his back, koing firelord (PIS maybe), etc.

Here's some scans:
lifts a tank
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6633/feat15strengthqz5.jpg

lifts a building
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9445/feat13strength1le7.jpg

flicking a huge train car easily (and Paladin struggled to lift it).
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9948/feat16strengthqv1.jpg

lifting a huge metro car
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/169/feat13strengthqb6.jpg

lifts daily bugle
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3802/feat46strength2yb1.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8264/feat11strenght1xp1.jpg


Lifts a huge stone plug by himself that took him and she-hulk to lift before.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2873/feat9strength1ja3.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4969/feat9strength2ui2.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9092/feat9strength3kx5.jpg

Of course you know his most famous one
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/1897/feat7strengthug0.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8189/feat7strength2cm1.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9025/feat7strength3il1.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8708/feat7strength4jr1.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1872/feat7strength5ou1.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6131/feat7strength6bi7.jpg
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4971/feat7strength7rq2.jpg

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I have to admit you got that just about right Battlehammer-why do they call you Capt, was it a former screen name?
Thanks and yup.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
When did the Hulk hurt his hand, punching Ben-if he did it was PIS. Hulk has smashed through a lot of hard surfaces without injury and he has greater durability than the Thing anyway

FF issue 12. Page 18.

Originally posted by Condor
May have been done before, but I didn't find it....

Takes place in a modern urban setting.

In a modern urban setting , Spiderman can come up with ways of tricking the thing. Much like he does to Rhino for example. Spider sence, way more intelligent, and range would give Spiderman a slight advantage. Now Spidermans not going to beat him with any punch , kick, or webbing, but he can sure as hell use the environment against him. Thing has been K.O'D in the past with electrical currents. Something Spiderman's fully aware of when fighting characters that out class him by far in strength. I mean how in the Hell will Thing every even touch Spiderman ?

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/spiderfinal.jpg

Same kind of electrical attack can be done to the Thing.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/Captain_Marvel_26-14.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/Captain_Marvel_26-15.jpg

"I've got a present for you--A THOUSAND VOLTS OF DEATH!"

Originally posted by Faceman
In a modern urban setting , Spiderman can come up with ways of tricking the thing. Much like he does to Rhino for example. Spider sence, way more intelligent, and range would give Spiderman a slight advantage. Now Spidermans not going to beat him with any punch , kick, or webbing, but he can sure as hell use the environment against him. Thing has been K.O'D in the past with electrical currents. Something Spiderman's fully aware of when fighting characters that out class him by far in strength. I mean how in the Hell will Thing every even touch Spiderman ?

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/spiderfinal.jpg

It won't be as easy to trick the Thing as it would the Rhino. Ben is a lot more intelligent than Rhino, and shouldn't be underestimated

Originally posted by BUSTER1
It won't be as easy to trick the Thing as it would the Rhino. Ben is a lot more intelligent than Rhino, and shouldn't be underestimated

Take a look at what Spiderman is capable of in this kind of environment.
Keep in mind the electrical current he hits Juggy with would have stopped the Thing..

Just scroll down to the Spidey vs. Juggs fight.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=289

Really dont matter what ya guys say , i know true spider man fans that think spidey can take galactus P just casue spidey is kooooooool


spidey gets his ass handed to him by ben thats if ben can catch him.


spidey will have to out smart ben.

Has this been done...i dunno

No holds barred fight....takes place in a scrap yard (slight favor to spidey)


Spidy http://www.theanimationblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/spiderman.jpg

vs


The Thing http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/the-thing-character-artwork-marvel-ultimate-alliance-2.jpg

Thing.


Spidey can only run circles around him for so long before Thing finally catches him. When that happens... well... it's clobberin' time.

spidey could take some but in general it would take him a long time to wrack up enough collateral damage, even given the battlefield.

ben for a majority. were the scenario without pis/cis, and spidey were out to kill, i'd actually give the majority to spidey.

Non-fight.

Spider-Man can not really hurt Thing - a bit yes, but not enough to knock him down - and Thing will not be able to lay a finger on Spider-Man.

Thing for a majority. Thunderclap to bring Spidey down so Ben can grab him and then that should be it.

Spidey will win a few though.