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he looks like shit now. theres no way he will play reese in t4. who do u guys think will play reese.

reese doesnt have to be born yet in T4. if its the beginning of the war against the machines...reese was either a young child or still having to be created

well...they seem to have got another actor for john connor for crying out loud, so they can also get a different reese

no now its 2 late. nick for t4 and v will have 2 settle for that. since t4 will b titled REIGN OF SKYNET we will c him in t5, but wait a second. now reese shouldnt exist n e more right? since he went back

once agian im confused

he woul dexist because his parents still ****ed and we should see him until he goes back. then he will appear again because he suceeds

ya dulo wut u said is true but wut do u mean by "then he will appear agian because he succeds" u cant go back thru the time portal after once uve gone thru. but u might not be talkin bout that

carnage im hear you dared me and i lived up to it so whats up gee u cant handle it thats wright ***** hahahahaha lol tell u what show down my forum got balls c u there

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naa dude show down in the otf we'll settle this shit once and for all

yeah ok but u set up the voting poll ok

ONE STEP AHEAD OF YA AND TERM IS KIKIN UR ASS

Actually, Kyle Reese no longer has to get sent back in time, since the time-lines have all been altered since T1... Kyle only had to be sent back from T0, time-line ZERO, the original time-line, to save Sarah Connor... Kyle was not John Connor's original father, but Sarah was too confused and caught up in the whole time-travel, alternate time-line thing to really make sense of it..

Remember that guy who broke his date plans with Sarah earlier that night? he left a message that he was stuck working, so he couldn't make it, so Sarah left to see a movie while Ginger and Matt stayed home and screwed... in the original time-line, that guy might have made a second date with Sarah later that week or sometime soon after. So that guy, whoever he was, could have been John Connor's dad originally... once Kyle and the Terminator came back and altered the course of Sarah's life so drastically, making her the mother of the future and all that crap, she never got a chance to date John's original dad, but the seed had already been planted, in more ways than one, by Kyle, who her son was destined to be... so she 'made' Kyle's baby into John Connor any way, and changed the future just a bit, and then she and the new John went on altering future time-lines in T2...

now that T3 has happened, once more altering the time-line, its no longer a given that John will even meet Kyle, maybe Kyle doesn't exist in the new time line because of some weird aberration from the few alterations in the new time-lines?? If there's no more time travel, no more alternate time lines, then the T3 time-line can play out in any number of ways, including the extinction of all mankind... or the complete conquering of the machines and destruction of SkyNet... it could go any number of ways, and still complete the story of the new, altered time-line...

in some ways, having the story come to and end, rather than forcing the loop, might even be better, because it could mean more and more and more awful/awesome sequels and the debates which follow...

Personally, I hope to see the loop closed, Connor does meet Kyle and sends him back, knowing that because he sends him back all the alterations happen in T1, T2, and T3, in order to lead to him sending Kyle back.. but because of the theory of chaos, it doesn't necessarily have to happen that way...

so, any way, the point relevant to this thread is that Michael Biehn may not need to be called upon to reprise his role as Reese... see?

i think been WOULD HAVE looked good for the role of jon conner but not n e more. no one knows how much the timeline was altered. maybee in all the origionall timelines arnie and jon blew up cyberdyne, we dont know for sure. what if jon banged kate and there son was kyle. man that wud be messed up

OOOOOOhhh yeah! What if all along, Kyle was Kate and John's kid!! Then, Kate and John get busted out of the Crystal Peak bunker by -GULP!- a Death Camp Squadron of Flying H/Ks, Kate and the baby are taken away and John is targeted for termination as the Future Leader of the resistance. Luckily, in their spare time under Crystal Peak, John and Kate rebuilt the TX-850 so the anti-Terminator terminator (which now can look like Arnold, or Kristanna, or anyone really!!) busts John out, but John is separated and devestated by not being able to get Kate and the baby out... so he has to organize the rag-tag reistance from the few others who were freed from the camp when TX-850 stormed the place... They save Kate, but not the baby... awwww!

Thats OK, they can save the baby and the future in T5... and they try to do just that, only lots of stuff happens to keep them away, for about 20 years... when they finally are reunited with the Baby, he has grown, and has taken the name Kyle Reese!!! John about has a fit when he realizes that his son may be his father... but no time for brain embolysms, because the machines are kicking ass again!

the resistance is about to all be wasted when Sarah Connor comes racing in to save the day, with help from Mr E Mann, the dude who dumped her in T1, who then hid her out, off the grid and gathered forces for the resistance... John gets very badly injured in the escape this time, and only a blood transfusion will save him. Unfortunately, no one is a suitable match, except tada! Mr E Mann, the loser who dumped Sarah in T1! Turns out that was the second date he had to cancel, and he really was hurt by cancelling because SArah was such a good lay that first time!! So, John was NOT Kyle's kid after all, therefore Kyle can go back still and save the future, but this time around, John makes sure to slip Kyle some condoms, just to be safe!!

GENIUS! Of course, by the end of T5:As the Machine-Dominated World Turns ends, everyone will be fed up completely with the road the franchise has taken, so finally the Terminator saga will end, the loops will close and everyone will live happily ever after!!

very good explenation. the sarah conner part was a little confusin but i think we struck gold here. actually it sounds like an episode of jerry springer but n e ways nice job

lol

just remember where you read it first... I am a genius script doctor! T4: $1-billion opening weekend!! WOO HOO!

ill keep my fingers crossed

Hi!
I just saw T-1 and one thing just doesnt make sense.. How could John Connor send his own father back in time from 2029 to 1984 to protect his mother? John could not exist if it wasnt for his father being sent back in time to sleep with his mother. Right?

sure he could, he just wouldnt be the same guy... all that means is that one future john would look slightly different than another future john... kinda explains what happened between T2 and T3...

i wonder how the origional time line went?

I thought we figured it out; the guy who broke the date with Sarah on her machine after work that first day she was home with Ginger... he said he would call her in a few days... in the original timeline he was the father of the future... or Sarah was a real **** and had many much multiple sex partners; maybe MATT, Ginger's boyfriend had a fling with Sarah! Maybe after Sarah came back from the movies, she sat outside crying, then when Matt was done with Ginger, and was about to leave, he found Sarah crying, and took her in his arms and made mad love to her in the living room while Ginger slept with her headphones on... Then Sarah was so devestated by screwing her best friend's guy, she ran off to Mexico to raise her son in private... etc etc...

nice 1 slick. ur theory is pretty good

lol sarahs a common ho

Yeah, I like that! The ORIGINAL timeline is the one BEFORE schwartznegger originally turned up and started messing with time right? Sally was a real **** - not unheard of!

I think when the original was set, the internet had not begun AT ALL, so Skynet would have a different origin altogether (was it even called "Skynet" in the original?)

Reece is dead. He died in the past, and he never said that if he died, he'd still be alive in the future. He should stay dead, cause he looks like shit now.

Or maybe it's all one time loop, and Reese was originally John's father, just like the time loop with Cyberdine and the Terminator's arm. The arm was found and researched, which should have led to Judgment Day. But since the arm and chip were destroyed, JD was delayed.

dude,it's called a time paradox...same like TWELF MONKEYS

Actually, there's a flaw in that. Reese had to be John's father all along, because in the timeline that Reese came from, he was John's father. Remember the photo that he had of Sarah? She got that at the end of the first movie when she was on the run. So the Terminator ordeal had already happened, meaning that Reese was always John's father. As I said above, a Time Loop.

She could have ran off for any number of reasons to raise her baby in Mexico in the original timeline... like I said, she could have been seduced by horn-dog Matt who screwed her and got her pregnant, so she ran away from LA and Ginger... or the guy from the answering machine could have been a lieutenant in the Crips or Bloods, some real bad-ass who could have also got her pregnant and hooked on crank or crack or something else, or he would have if she stayed in LA... so she ran off to Mexico, ran out of gas at that same station in every timeline, because only some things change while most things stay the same in each timeline... got her picture taken and went on her way thru history that first boring timeline.... until Judgment Day, the war, John rising up as the great general, etc etc...

it could happen...

surely that was the original and ONLY time line?

take time to be a straight line...

reese jumps back along that line,
reese fathers john,
reese dies,
sarah gets mexico polaroid,
gives polaroid to john,
john gives polaroid to reese,
john orders reese to go back in time,
reese jumps back along that line,




(if we ignore the paradox of reese traveling back and fathering the man who sends him back)

Yes, I believe that that is and always was the original timeline. By Reese coming back, he continued the timeline.

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John would have been born no matter what. I doesn't really matter who the fater is. The leadership qualities were in Sarah, which is where he gets it from. You can see this by what Sarah becomes in T2; a strong holds-her-own woman. The qualities were always in HER; they were just dormant until she had to release them. Much as John would have to release them during the war.

Exactly, John would or will most likey release his fighting instinct during the war, just as you said earlier Sarah did in Terminator 2.

One could say it was Reese who allowed Sarah to have that self beleif in her. She was pretty timid before that.

I strongly agree with that.

So John passed it to Reese, to Sarah, and then back to John !

I never thought about it that way before

Its a vicious circle

A bit weird for the family too.

It is indeed.

yeah

I wouldn't say he passed it on . It's more like he unlocked it.

Thats a point.

Hopefully we will all catch a glimpse of Kyle in T4.

Probably a bigger baboon than John Conner.

lol i think u'll get more of kyle reese than u'll ever want judging by the storyline rumour of t4. lol wht did ya know after THE TERMINATOR we'd get to see the character of kyle reese being so influential in the franchise again

Yeah thats a good point.

Yeah and even though we should have actually seen this coming it was still incredibly unexpected in my oppinion.

not so much, i was certainly expecting him to come in t4 or most likely t5 again but i had no idea the story was gonna relly around a young kyle reese.. i must say this is the only good news i have heard from this incredibly stupid project

"i had no idea the story was gonna relly around a young kyle reese" thats the part I meant was unexpected, at least based on the rumors so far.

^ i must say its a pleasent surprise.

Yeah i never saw it comin.

What Sarah heard in T1: HAVE SEX WITH ME SARAH! PLEASE! IM SO TIRED OF THIS STUPID VIRGINITY! PLEASE HAVE SEX WITH ME!

What he said: I love you Sarah. I always have.

Haha, yeah one could say that.

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Doesn't Solid Snake(box art NES) look like Kyle Reese(future look) see picture below.

Please tell me what you thing.

Benhacker

^oh damn....that's a mirror image

Blimey!!!

The cheeky b***ards!

Yes.