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Lets see, were are talking about Doom only, not about his doombots and his doom army, only Doom himself. he isnt a god, he hasnt cosmic power. He is just a genious in a good armor with knowlegde in magic, science, etc. For that reason, i think that he is so overrated here. He is a great villain , but he cant beat anyone.

omg, you made a thread about it?
Doom isnt over-rated, and this is in the versus forum BTW... it will be moved.
This is pointless, I hope paola closes it.

Sorry, wrong forum. My mistake. But i think that is a good choice to discuss in another forum.

Well, this is the VS forum... where doom is mostly "overated" or as you say...
Hes not really over-rated though dude, he has acess to every type of technology and any technogical force he wants, he can get...

Ya really think Doom's underrated?

Well, you're right, after all, his having done things like power drain the Surfer, Galactus, Watchers and the Beyonder, his having outright conquered Marvel Earth and given it back out of boredom, his having made the Heroes Reborn Earth into his personal fiefdom, having
survived shots from Thanos using the power gem, having caught Captain America's shield mid throw, having killed a lion when unarmed and unarmored, having managed to put one over on Mephisto himself, having immunized himself to Magneto's powers, having built a
time machine, having built devices that let him move around in frozen time, having mastered a technique that lets him switch bodies with targets at will, being considered a legitimate candidate for Sorceror Supreme of the Earth dimension, having succeeded in developing a cure for the Thing's condition, having taken mental attacks from the Overmind and a Purple Man who had enslaved the entire planet, having thrown down in personal combat with Adam Warlock and the Magus...

Yeah, he's very overrated, after all, any smart guy in a nifty armor could do those things.

(Thanks again to Pendaren of CBR Forums for that little list)


Oh, and FYI, Paola won't close this, she'll move it. Actually, there was another thread made asking this exact same question, so if she finds it, she'll merge it.

Thank you, Tron... I knew Doom was pretty bad ass, thank you for proving it.

Yeah, and he has lost against the fantastic four, the avengers, the x-men, spider-man, iron man, the hulk, captain america, thor, daredevil, namor, etc, etc.

And yeah, doubt about Doom genious and his acces of all kind of forces would be stupid, but really, he isnt that powerful as much people think.

Ya but he can be stronger if he creates something to do it.

Yeah, that is the point. But all of that is part of the preparation time. As i have said , Doom real power is in his brain, if he hasnt time to use it, he has serious problems.

If doom wanted to create a super suit, he could do it, ovbiousyl he has no reason too.

Yeah, but for one reason or another, he didnt. And we are talking about what he has, not what he could has.

you have to realize that doom is a villain, and in comics the hero always wins in the end.

All those appearances you mentioned aren't all actual Doom appearances, the majority were Doombots. Doom himself has only make a small handful of appearances. He's stomped Spider-Man with ease. He lost to Hulk once, and stopped Hulk cold their next meeting. He talks to the X-Men like children, he can nullify all their powers if needed. Of course he's lost to the Fantastic Four, but that's only because his intellectual equal and rival is on that team, otherwise, they would've been dead ages ago.

True, he's not as powerful as most people think, but he's sure as hell powerful and dangerous enough if Thanos feels he needs to keep a close eye on him.

And, Doom IS more than capable of creating a suit that could use Iron Man as toilet paper, and Tony Stark knows this, but he doesn't really need to. His base suit is convenient enough to deal with most threats.

Wynndar knows a little more on this subject than I do though, along with some others.

I agree with you on the fact that Doom is overated. I do have alot of respect for him but I get tired of hearing how he can beat anybody or crap like that. Or if somebody does beat him then they just say oh that was a doombot or some gay defense like that. And its ok for Doom to have prep time but when it comes to Batman having preptime everybody throws a fit.

I think first prize in gay defences goes to Juggernaut's invincibility.

Doom isn't overrated. His list of accomplishments, as a human, proves that.

Good one Victor Von Dumb @ss. I am not gonna argue abuout Juggernauts invinciblity. If you read the Juggy threads I dont even hardly post in them. Dooms list of defeats also overwhelms his accomplishments.

The question isn't why he's overrated: it's why he isn't rated higher. And the answer to that is, the scale doesn't climb high enough. He's Doom, 'nuff said.

I believe the reason people like me fiercely defend DOOM is because we're geeky fan boys! heh nah, seriously to me i like him for the fact his potential, it is unlimited with prep time. There isnt many he cant defeat as long as he can use his noggin in advance, also hes a mere human...people like superman has it all going for him with no work at all...doom earned his power

doom is never over rated, hes like me, but drinks less

Sounds like another Marvel Batman wannabe to me. Batman is off the hizzle fa shizzle.

he also doesnt abuse hookers as much as you do Crazy.
hes batman times 20. bats is a pussy compaired to doom

Doom is the man in the Marvel Universe but in the DCU he is the equivalent to the toothe fairie.

thats probably why DC's sales are in the toilet.

Yup. DC sucks now.

I hope Microsoft buys DC.

Damn, I never knew Victor was so powerful. Tron knows everything.

DC is in the toilet? Their sales are a minisucle below Marvel. They've consistenly held the 1 spot for comics sales for months. (i.e. Identity Crisis, Superman, Batman, JLA, S/B) Ever wonder why Michael Turner and Jim Lee are at DC. The scales are even in my opinion.

no, they were lured there for great pay. Marvel cares more for writers than they do artists. dc likes eye candy, have you ever read witchblade??? no?? no one has! they just look at the pictures!

DC has alot of great writers just like Marvel does. Greg Rucka, Grant Morrison, Joe Kelly, Azarello, etc.

PS. I wish Brian Michael Bendis would stop writing everything in Marvel. I like his books, but I want to read a writer other than him once in a while.

But do they have stan lee?? NO!! heh nah imnotafanboy
DC just pisses me off with their characters, theyre boring to me.
i like how marvel is full of psychological themed stories...buthtatsjustme
lol youre so right, Brian Michael is great but christ.

DC's characters? Boring?
What you smokin?

I mean come on, Green lantern? Boring? He has a magic ring... and...
uhh...

The Flash! I mean come on, honestly, hes pretty fast... uhh...

Wait, Superman... Hes got lazer eyes and he can run fast and fly and is strong and can take damage like some pansy god... and uhh... rocks make him weak and... stuff...

We all have to remember batman... he has gadgets... and... is agile...

DC is entertaining, jeez, your crazy long pig...

(This has been a dramatic dramatization of DC in the ways of Sarcasm.)

Stan Lee doesn't right for Marvel anymore. He hasn't written anything for them for more than 20 years. I like both companies. I'm bi-comic!

And I really didn't like what Bendis did to the Avengers. Scarlet Witch all of a sudden goes psycho. And why did Magneto appear in the end? The world still thinks he's dead! Nick Fury was there. Why didn't he order the Avengers to capture the person who supposedly destroyed Manhattan Island. The story was chock full of holes.

I hate DC, im calling Bill gates.

I however, love microsoft.

i give credit to DC with thier Vertigo line! That was quiality shit there, Preacher was sweet

Not his actual appearances. Sure, the whole Doombot thing may seem retarded to you, but it's still pretty ingenius.

Tell that to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Doom is on a totally different level than Batman, and has proven it on many occasions.

And yeah, DC's sales aren't in the toilet. They've been up there with Marvel, especially with Identity Crisis and Green Lantern: Rebirth. I still wish the'd do the smart thing and throw Chuck Austen's sorry ass off of Action Comics though.

And, a couple of years or so ago, Stan did do a few stories for DC, where he recreated their top characters in his image. The series was called "Just Imagine...", I think I got it right. I don't know much more about it though.

What does DC have? Lex who's become President of the US? Doom owned counter Earth, a whole planet. Brainiac stole Imperiex's powers? Doom stole Galactus' powers than stole Beyonder's powers. He's also stolen a Watcher's power. Darkseid is what now? Maybe Pre-Crisis he was something, but now in he's nothing. Doom would own that New God punk. DC is just another place for Doom to conquer but without in intellectual equilavent to challenge him.

As for doom being overrated, he punked Adam Warlock and knocked him out with a blast from his hand during Infinity Wars. After Magus gave Kang a beating, Doom took him out as well, then came after Magus himself and gave him a dose of his power. He was only seconds away from obtainning the Infinity Gauntlet when LT ruled in favor of overruling his earlier decision - and the gems were able work in unison once more.

Overrated? I guess KOing Warlock, finishing off Kang the Conquerer, and beating The Magus and forcing his hand to give up the Infinity Gauntlet was an overrated feat as well?

Just ignore that dude, he got all mad because of a VS thread.

It's gotten to the point where his writing isn't even enjoyable anymore for me. Daredevil, outed! Woop de shit, are you going to resolve this story anytime soon? Because it's honestly just boring now. As is his Ultimate Spider-Man, it's basically Ultimate Guest Stars, with "hyperannoying" dialogue. His run on Ultimate X-Men were a few slapdash scary political stuff, while he introduced his favorite mutant characters, *yawn*. The Pulse is crap. Has Secret War even shipped on time once? Alias was ****ing good but he was so ****ing carried away with his shit all he ever did was have his characters say stuff like "goddamn ****ing shit ass ***** shit ****." Look around long enough you'll find that direct quote. New Avengers is less than underwhelming, and is already slated for late shipping with issue 3. I hope they do give him to DC just in time for his career to take a nosedive and bring the entire company with him, since he'll be writing all of their books.

Dragon, please, dont be childish. I post this topic for talk about why doom is so overrated in these forums, not for being mad about a vs topic. That is childish and nonsense.

And what is very stupid is the fact that when doom loose, is a doombot and when he wins , is Victor in person. What a lamest excuse.

When Doom loses in a ridiculous way, that's a Doombot... even during 'Acts of Vengeance' when all the main marvel villains (Kingpin, Red Skull... etc) were teamed together, it was shown that the Doom there was a Doombot.

The Doom the was killed during the Infinity Gauntlet, beaten by Dr Strange for the sorcerer supreme title, beaten narrowly by The Magus... that was the real Doom.

i think doom is pretty overrated at times in the VS forum

Take a chill pill Clive.

So he's not invincible. Big whoop. You'll get through it.

OK you guys win. Doom is the man and can beat Batman any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Yay.

whoa, some people get way too offensive when talking of their favorite characters....chill out guys, might as well insult eachothers parents heh

they're only comic books man, 32 pages at most with ad's included, if you see a bendis comic simply STRAFE YOUR LINE OF VISION IN ANY OTHER DIRECTION, you'll be fine.....new invaders isnt exactly hot shit either

During the Acts of Vengeance also, Magneto once lamented that Doom created "other selves" of himself to feel more superior when he was doing a comparison of Doom and Red Skull's incessant need to make robots in their likeness.

Well I like and respect Dr. Doom cause he constantly goes out of his way to accomplish goals that are way beyond his means. Sometimes he succeeds, sometimes he doesn't, but you can't fault him for trying. He's crafty as hell, and is one of the most resourceful villains in the MU. I like to think of him as a small-scale version of Thanos. If he had anywhere near the power Thanos has, he'd be a cosmic villain as well.

Remember "Marvel:The End"? Only Doom would have the balls to attempt what he did...even though he made a gross miscalculation against Akhenatan, (or whatever his name was), it was no surprise that only he was able to come up with a plan as devious and diabolical as that.

Gotta give the man the respect he deserves.

Have you ever seen Apocalypse do anything like that? Apockie is nothing but a bunch of hot air.

If Doom has beaten so many great heroes, why can't he beat the FF? I also remember someone mentioning that Doom beat Dr. Strange, and that is just a bunch of crap (IMO).

Comics would be better if they had a little more consistency regarding characters' powers and abilities.

i agree with both kharmadog and Lord S, dr. doom is a character who's definitely made some people look at an archenemy in a stronger way, he's the only archenemy i've ever seen with an amazing amount of power that goes beyond just the ff and can affect alot of other heroes or villains, but at the same time i do think he should either be toned down or beat the ff...and im not saying ff are a weak group, i mean they've gone up against galactus which not all superhero teams could do, but it kinda doesnt fit in with dr. dooms "marvel: the end" stuff

my opinion is pretty confusing to translate into words, maybe i'll find a good way to describe it later lol

What you're trying to say, is that Doom has shown that he should have beaten the FF seven ways from sunday by now, yet he still hasn't. Much like Magneto, he shows seven sorts of badassness when fighting everyone except his archenemies, where he ends up looking like a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.